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Flodo Span

Hey, I noticed you edited the Flodo Span page. I'm the creator and I'm wondering exactly what I can do to bring the page up to Wikipedia specifications. Could you help me out by posting advice on the Flodo Span talk page? Thanks. GreenLantern1416 (talk) 03:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Faith

Thanks. I've asked Bignole to look it over, and he says he'll do it later tonight, so no doubt I can expect some detailed criticism, lol. What do you think about the image in the appearances section? Do you think it has enough critical commentary to be fair use? That's something I'm cautious about, since a bunch of images were recently removed from Friday the 13th (franchise) for simply identifying the subject and not commenting on it.  Paul  730 21:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, but I believe the problem with that is, is the image actually providing critical commentary on the discussion in the article, or it is just there to show that she's in the comic? Like, is it performing a purpose that we couldn't do simply with prose? Hmm, maybe I'm just ovethinking it. I'll certainly keep it in for the time being (and add fair use rationale for that page once I move my sandbox) and we'll see how it's received in reviews.  Paul  730 21:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
What? Leo's hot! You know, in an older guy kind of way. Lol, who would you rather have in his place?  Paul  730 17:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Chris... meh. I prefer Leo. Or Cole. Or Coop. Or Jason. Charmed may not have the quality writing of Buffy, but give them their due, they know a hot guy when they see one. Mal was a suggestion at the bottom, he's okay. I only know him as Creepy Caleb though, I've yet to see Firefly. Lol, everyone loves a bit of Justin Hartley.  Paul  730 17:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I showed Bignole this IGN feature about what spin-offs they'd like to see (with Miss Lehane/Mr Giles at #1 of course) and Green Arrow was #10. Speaking of spin-offs, is SJA any good? I've missed it every time it was on, but I noticed you've been editing some of the episode pages.  Paul  730 17:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Oops, I forgot about that Jack lead, I was supposed to be helping you with it. :/ Sorry. Yeah, it looks like a big improvement on what's currently there, more emphasis on the character's impact rather than just the story. Maybe it's just me, but the sentence "Versatile, creating Jack allowed writers and directors to inject both comedy into Doctor Who and later sombre social commentary in Torchwood." read a little clunkily. Maybe reword that? Definintely move the lead over, though. Spin-offs can be fanboy heaven, but don't a lot of people look down on them? Personally I love seeing a familiar fictional universe from a different perspective.  Paul  730 18:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't hate DC, I have... a tongue-in-cheek fanboy rivalry with it, yeah that's it. :P I actually had a conversation with Bignole over whether Squirrel Girl could beat Superman in a fight (she totally could). I respect the DC Animated Universe - they have nice animation and I like that it's structured as a shared universe. I don't really love any of the Marvel cartoons. The Question seems cool, I'd never heard of him before talking to you before.  Paul  730 18:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Ha! Lol, I'll tell Bigs he's outmatched. Some of the more obscure DC characters seem more interesting. Do you prefer the guy or the girl Question? BTW, as I was criticising Marvel cartoons, I remembered that I do quite like the new FF show. This scene had me and my friend laughing for ages.  Paul  730 18:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
OMG, I love the GLA so much! And Squirrel Girl and Flatman are my favourite characters in it! Aw, they're so well-meaning and everybody just hates them so much. Not sure a spin-off would work that well though, the whole point of them is that they never get to save the world. The GLA: Disassembled mini series was so perfect because that was literally the only time they've ever saved the world. Definitely want more appearances from them though, their cameos are always hilarious.  Paul  730 19:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks Faith is being set up for Ripper? I hope so... (I hope Faith is in Ripper, not that I'm the only one that thinks so :P)  Paul  730 22:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, that whole "No Future For You" story seemed very much like a backdoor pilot (is that the phrase?) for a spin-off... Faith and Giles basically teaming up as partners to do the dirty deeds Buffy could never do. Who knows, maybe Whedon's vision of Ripper has changed since the original Cracker premise? Angel went through a bunch of changes, it was originally meant to be full of junkies and hookers. I think a Faith/Giles spin-off would be brilliance, this story-arc has established such a strong connection between them. They're like the X-Force of the Buffyverse. :P  Paul  730 23:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Didn't Joss say he was going to tie the comics into the Spike movie (i.e. before Spike was totally cancelled, thank goodness, because I don't want a Spike movie)? I think the comics might tie into Ripper in some way, they're all connected in a master plan. Twilight's mission to erase the world of magic sounds like Urkonn's history lesson in Fray. Apparently, there's more to come from Fray, I looked forward to it. I think it would make a great movie. Although I'd be wary of who they'd cast as Mel... any suggestions?  Paul  730 23:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol, DC sucks balls. :P Seriously, Marvel actually kicks it's ass so badly. Yes, I did hear about the terrible new JLA movie... even Bignole was slagging it off and he's usually pretty fair when it comes to movie critique. We're going to have three Superman actors at the one time...? Hmm, lets hope the Avengers fair better. Who knows, maybe unconvential casting will work for JLA... Daniel Craig anyone? Oh, Dollhouse... how many fucking Eliza Dushku shows will they insist on making before they give us what we want; Faith. No doubt Dollhouse will be excellent, but I do wish Joss would stick to the Buffyverse. It's what he's best at. I was so pleased when he got kicked off Wonder Woman, the less distractions he has, the better, lol.  Paul  730 23:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Huh?  Paul  730 23:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
You like DC though? I may not be a WW fan, but she's probably better then Elektra. I'm not a big Elektra fan, she's a filthy Skrull, lol. ;) She-Hulk is Marvel's best female by far. She's worked her way up into the A-list as well. Marvel were so busy promoting Ms Marvel and Spider-Woman that Shulkie just slipped right under them and stole the show with her brilliant writing.  Paul  730 23:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused... were you trying to see if I'd defend Elektra over WW? Sorry, my loyalty doesn't stretch that far. Yeah, Link rocks. Zelda: OOT was my first ever video game, so Link will always have a place in my heart. ;) Writing that list was hard - I tried to limit myself to one character from each franchise but I had to include Shulkie as well as Cyke. Hmm, I might have to throw Cartman in there as well.  Paul  730 23:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You seem far too smart to be like Butters. I love Butters... as much as I love Kenny, Butters is a better character. I hate how T&M have totally neglected Kenny as of late. He needs some life breathed into him, stat! Cartman is brilliant, I actually think I'm quite like him, which is worrying. I'm not as fat, but personalilty-wise the resemblence is disturbing. I found myself reminded of the episode Cartmanland today as I dodged the Christmas shoppers in town. Let's see, good Marvel females...
  • Sue Storm - started out as a housewife stereotype, later developed into an extremely powerful woman with metaphoric powers (the ignored female).
  • Emma Frost - the Cordelia of the X-Men, need I say more? Also quite a deep character, what with her survivors guilt over her dead students, and has a genuine relationship with Cyke.
  • Jean - Dark Phoenix kicks ass in both comics and the big screen. Say what you like about X3, but Famke Janssen was stunning in it.
  • Storm - great character, being handled fucking shit these last few years. Gotta respect a powerful black female teammleader who was created in the 70s though.
  • Rogue - another mishandled character, when Gambit when evil a few years ago, she blossomed, no longer held back by a stale relationship. Now one of the best X-Men, I hope she survives Messiah.
  • She-Hulk - flawless. Don't have a bad word to say about her.
  • Probably more I can't remember, the cast of Runaways being a great example.

Marvel treats it's gay characters terribly! I hate to think what DC are doing to theirs!  Paul  730 00:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't like how coy Marvel are about their gay characters... they hardly ever say the word "gay" out loud, it's usually just hinted at. I mean, it's not like I want them to walk about with it tattooed accross their forehead, but it feels like Marvel don't want to make it too obvious in case the parents get all huffy. Read this, it's horrible. Free speech and all that, but it still made me angry. I know they're not comics, but I think Willow and Tara were handled brilliantly. Issues about retconning/bisexuality/homosexuality aside, their relationship was just treated with such respect. Wiccan and Hulkling are great, it's nice to have a teenage gay couple who are just happy with each other. I hope they stick around, I'm worried the YA will fade away if they don't do something with them soon. I like Karolina, her relationship with Xavin is a bit dull though. Aren't her powers meant to resemble the LGBT flag? That's quite a cool little detail. I actually do like Northstar, but they don't really do anything interesting with him. He hovers around the edges of the X-Books, being pretty pointless. I think it's a little hypocritical that a team (the X-Men) who are meant to serve as a metaphor for outcasts don't even have a gay member. My hope is that Anole, who is a massive fan favourite character - he literally rose through the ranks from background character to teammember due to popularity alone - sticks around long enough to be remembered as an important member of X-Men. That's what's worrying about these new characters, they're so vulnerable, they could be killed off next week and hardly anyone would remember them. I can't believe they killed Hellion!?  Paul  730 11:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I think the Parents TV is a hilarious website, it's like they're martians or something. They think movies like Superman Returns and Spider-Man 3 are unsuitable for kids under 16 or something because they might get scared. LOL. And they hate Charmed because the characters show cleavage and talk about sex. They love Smallville what with it's family values and goody-two shoes hero, but don't approve of Superman Returns showing Lois as an unwed single mother. My (single) mum was raging when I told her that! Oh, when I read it I just think of "Blame Canada": "The laughter and fun must all be undone, we must blame them and cause a fuss before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!!" Ha ha. I guess Anole is kinda Spidey-like, the story where he gets his funky new arm isn't out in TPB yet so I havn't read it. I loved Hellion, I wanted him to go on and become an A-list X-Man! He got stabbed to death by Deathstryke in Messiah Complex. :'( "Fuck off, religion", that had me literally laughing out loud. I went to a Catholic school, and earned myself a total reputation in the RE departmant because I refused to put up with their anti-gay bullshit.  Paul  730 21:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
You're an atheist? I thought you were a deiest (sp?) or something? See, I don't even know what that means because Catholics are so fucking one-minded they wouldn't teach us anything about other religions. I have no problem with teaching religion in school, but they should take an NPOV approach and teach us about all religions in a theoretical manner. In our school, we were actually sat down and told that hell, angels, Satan, Jesus, all that, were actually physically real and there was no debating that fact. It was fucking brainwashing. I was like, "I disagree", and they didn't like that. I spent most of my sixth year in RE arguing with the teacher. She was going on about how homosexuality was evil and we would go to hell etc etc, and I just refused to sit and take that. It's biogtry. LOL, my old RE teacher actually claims to have met the devil before. Apparently, he has a vendetta against her because she does God's work. It was actually kind of scary listening to her talking about her "experiences" because she obviously believes they were real. I consider myself agnostic; I accept the possibility that there might be some higher being out there, but I don't think it's some loving father figure that listens to our prayers. That said, I respect other people's right to believe in God, but I don't approve of organised religions brainwashing people and telling them how to live their lives. *phew* You shouldn't get me ranting about religion... ;)  Paul  730 21:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that if there is a "God", it's more like a big cosmic entity who's basically indifferent to the insignificant lives of humans. Like the Phoenix force or something. ;) I don't like to consider myself atheist, because I think atheists can be just as arrogant as bible-bashers in some instances. No offense, I'm sure that doesn't include you. :P Even if there was a God, I think atheists are more likely to live in denial, whereas I hope I'm more open-minded than that. Basically, I have no idea if God exists and if so, in what form, so I consider myself agnostic. "Without knowledge"  Paul  730 22:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, at least you admit it. I don't really get that impression from you though, you don't seem as close-minded as that. I love how this discussion has evolved from talking about the Faith article into deep existential thought. I seem to have a knack for going off on random tangents on Wikipedia. :P  Paul  730 22:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but we weren't talking about the Buffy themes, we were talking about fair use images. :P We also took a break to dicuss whether Squirrel Girl could beat up Superman... ah, nonsense is fun. ;)  Paul  730 22:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Break

I'm not loving how far Shulkie is down that list. #25??? She's Marvel's best superherorine for crying out loud. They do sum her up well though - "That she has the sense to see those incredibly positive powers as a blessing makes her a rare treat in the Marvel universe." That's my girl. ;) Spider-Man at #1?? Bleh. Spidey needs an injection of life... did I hear Dan Slott might be writing him? That would do him wonders, Slott is born to write Spider-Man. Wolverine over Cyclops?? What has Woverine actually done lately? Cap and DD deserve their high place. Madrox did quite well for himself, he's such a good character. Emma is too far down... Storm should really be higher, but she hasn't done anything interesting in decades. The more I look at this list, the more bullshit I think it is... where the hell is Molly Hayes?!? The DC list doesn't mean much to me, since I don't recognise most of the names. Lol, Batman kicked Superman's ass, didn't he.  Paul  730 22:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, the DC fanboys sound like assholes. I don't think I've heard any negativity towards gay characters from Marvel fans... oh wait, scratch that, I remember someone complaining about how they took a tough hetero character like Colossus and turned him into a fairy. Lol, I'd like to see them say that to Colossus's face. Are the Batbooks good quality? I hear bad things about A-list DC titles. Theres far too many Spider-Man books, I say get rid of them all except Amazing, then get Dan Slott to write that. Quality over quantity and all that.  Paul  730 22:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Duh, Molly Hayes is on that list! #38! See, I must have skimmed past her cause they called her by her codenames. Aw, good for her, she deserves it.  Paul  730 22:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Aw, poor Catwoman. Lol. Halloween Resurrection sucks! It's definitely not the worst Halloween, but do yourself a favour and watch H20 instead. I only really consider 1, 2, and H20 as canon. The rest can die a slow and painful death as far as I'm concerned. I mean, they're all entertaining, but the total lack of effort in the continuity department just gets on my nerves. Say what you like about the Fridays and the Nightmares but at least they manage to maintain a single coherent timeline.  Paul  730 23:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I think JLC did it to officially kill the character off and be done with the whole franchise.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't like how Laurie died, I don't "count" it as canon in my head. As far as I'm concerned, it was Michael in that ambulance who got his head cut off. Lol, you didn't like Resurrection? I actually liked that the first time I saw it, I thought it was more fun than some of the other sequels, but the showdown between Busta Rhymes and Michael is cringeworthy. Halloween is brilliant, II is flawed but has a great third act, and H20 is the perfect resolution for Laurie's character and the series. For JLC to undermine that in Resurrection just hurts. It's not even that the other movies are bad slashers, but they're so far removed from the original that I just can't stand them.  Paul  730 12:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a big Terminator fan. Well, a fan of the Cameron ones. I guess you're right about the alternate timelines, but I just hate the third film. It's a perfectly competent action movie, but doesn't have the heart or the originality of the the first two. It's basically just a crappy remake of the second one, which is pointless because T2 is perfect. As I said to Bignole, I wish they'd made T2 3-D: Battle Across Time into a movie; John and the T-800 travel into the future and infiltrate Skynet, fighting the T-1000000. As a basic concept, it's a helluva lot more imaginative than T3 and it had the original actors like Eddie Furlong and Robert Patrick. I think that would have made a brilliant trilogy. I think Sarah Connor Chronicles has potential so long as the actors are good and it doesn't get too SFX reliant. The trailer kicked ass. Not excited about the new movies at all, I think they'll just be empty SFX-laden blockbusters like T3. Thousands of T-800 endoskeletons battling it out and not a lot more. I'm not usually such a cynical fanboy, but hope I'm wrong. Is Halloween 2007 good? I've not actually seen it, surprisingly. I was really excited, but the negative reviews put me off a little. I heard they basically reduced Michael to the abused child of a stereotypical redneck family, and his whole origin was really OTT and unoriginal. Bignole liked it. Personally I'd rather have a remake than another sequel. Lol, why does everyone make such a big deal about the car thing? It's far from the strangest thing he does in that movie. :P  Paul  730 19:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I mangled the grammer in my edit summary, but I just wanted to let you know I undid some of your edits to Jason. We can't really mention every hockey mask killer in pop culture who looks like Jason, otherwise that section will get far too long. I saw that episode years ago but remind me, was he actually identified as Jason Voorhees?  Paul  730 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I think Erik's comment is different because he explicitly states that it is their intention to create an interpretation of "Jason", though copyrights prevent them from using his name. If you had a similar quote from the creator, writers, director (someone closely connected) for Charmed then I wouldn't have an issue with that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
It's no biggy. I saw the episode you were referencing, but I don't remember what caused it. It was clear that they were referencing "Jason", but the problem is that they don't make him look like Jason beyond a generic hockey mask. Unlike shows like South Park and Robot Chicken that actually make him look just like the movies and call him by name. Which is funny when you think of it, because I'd bet Charmed had enough budget to afford the license.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Jack

The lead looks good. I see you tidied up some of the grammar I mentioned earlier, it reads better now IMO. I was looking through the old FAC to see if there were any outstanding problems, but apart from somebody complaining about overlinking (i.e., linking words like protagonist and immortal, which I don't have a problem with) they seem to have been addressed. One superficial issue I have is the quote boxes... do you think you can merge one of the Characterisation quote boxes into the prose? It looks like 60% prose, 40% quote boxes, it's little cluttered. I'll go through it and see if there's any problems, but it looks ready for FA to me. One thing you might want to do is look through other FACs for fictional characters and see any relevant issues that were brought up in those articles, to try and fix them in advance. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pauline Fowler has some extensive criticism in it. I noticed somebody complaining on the Jack talk page that the article was too sexuality-oriented, I thought that was funny. "It's too gay!" Lol.  Paul  730 11:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


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How much

Is that in dollars, like 28 dollars? If that's right, then that's pretty cheap. It's about 46 dollars on Amazon, for me.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL, that's funny. I wonder if the UK Google is different. When I put in "14 pounds to dollars" I got "14 British pounds = 28.38500 U.S. dollars" back. That's a little off from what this website is giving me. Either way, you're getting it cheaper than I get it. Though, I already own all the films, so I don't have to worry about it that much..lol. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete of Publication section in Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight?

Did you intend to delete the entire section, or just the (truly 'useless') sub-section at the start? Just checking. — Aldaron • T/C 22:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I figured. — Aldaron • T/C 22:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Did I know

That? No. How did you know my edit count? I think the online edit counters are misleading because if a page is deleted then you lose edits. I deleted a sandbox that had quite a few. Anyway, so what's new? Did you ever implement your new Jack lead you were working on?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I have that, and my cousin's wedding (that I'm leaving for in a few minutes). When does the second series begin? If you need any help let me know. Well, I'd better get off here before the g/f gets angry. ;) If I don't message beforehand--given that my computer is on the fritz (on the g/f's laptop right now)--then Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

List of DC Multiverse worlds

I've protected List of DC Multiverse worlds for one week. I've based this on the edit history over the last couple of days, it seems to me an edit war is brewing. There's been some discussion on the talk page, it might be better to continue there rather than hammer out at the talk page. I don't want to see the article become a battleground. Let me know if the page can be unprotected before the week is up. Hiding T 18:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Faith again

No, not quite. There's hardly any third-party sources to establish notability, it's all stuff from the DVDs and companion books, I'd like to add a little more to the characterization section from this source I have, it's just getting around to reading and implimenting it. I also recently gave Wesley Wyndam-Pryce a bit of a polish, if you're interested... that article already had a lot of decent OOU info so I decided to clean it up.  Paul  730 18:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Say, that's a nice bike...

Do I like Terminator.... um, no offense but have you got short term memory loss? :P It was only last week I was chatting to you about how I liked the first two movies and was looking forward to Sarah Connor Chronicles. I actually toyed with the idea of fixing up Sarah's article, but I never got round to it. Yeah, I wouldn't mind pitching in with some of the character articles, I have the DVDs so there's probably some info to be sourced on the special features.  Paul  730 19:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, no worries, I just thought it was funny of you to ask me that when I've literally written "I'm a big Terminator fan" on your talk page. ;) The first movie doesn't have a commentary, at least my copy doesn't, but 2 & 3 do. The DVDs have shitloads of special features, although they may be of more use to the film articles than the character pages. I'm sure we won't want for sources though, it is Terminator we're talking about after all. Pretty A-list franchise. Yeah, hasn't the SCC pilot been online for ages? I haven't seen it, but I've heard underwhelming reviews which I've chosen to ignore until I see it for myself. Congratulations on getting into your college BTW. :D  Paul  730 19:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Start of the John Connor rewrite. Feel free to edit.  Paul  730 23:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, didn't know you had your own sandbox. :/ That's just a general Terminator sandbox so let's just use it for all the characters, and impliment sections as soon as we finish them rather than sit on them until the article is complete. BTW, don't you think John's image should be Eddie Furlong? I would think he's the actor most closely associated with the character.  Paul  730 23:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol, you went out with a guy who looked like Batman? Lucky for some. ;) Meh, I've never liked Thomas Dekker since I found out he refused to play Zach in Heroes as gay. Call me overly sensitive but I thought that was pretty insulting. Maybe he'll impress me as John, you never know, he looks more like Furlong than Nick Stahl anyway.  Paul  730 00:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Aw, Justin from Ugly Betty. :) Well, I guess you can't blame the guy for not wanting to be typecast... which is likely if he's as camp as you say. His sexuality is his business after all, but I didn't like how Zach basically got screwed as a character because of the silly actor and his hangups. Lol, when was Bryan Singer bitching about him? Like you say, I won't let it put me off SCC.  Paul  730 00:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Urgh, if you don't want to play gay, don't audition for gay parts. And certainly don't demand that writers change the character to suit your career... >:(  Paul  730 00:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
John Connor? Action hero? Ha! He's such a pussy, gay boy Jack Harkness could take him in a fight anyday. John Connor's least heroic moment: lying on the floor wetting his pants while Kate, a civillian with no experience with weapons, takes down a hunter killer single handedly. No wonder they're recasting him in T4; Nick Stahl may be a pretty face but when the character had more balls at age 10 than he does at 22, you know something's wrong. Urgh, I hate T3 so much.  Paul  730 00:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Not fair - Harkness has had *years/decades/centuries* of practice taking down just about anyone :) Plus he can't die... :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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Lol, thanks. So are you doing nice? See Bignole's page to see how I'm spending my exciting Xmas! ;)  Paul  730 00:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, I just got off the phone with my friend gushing about how he has a new potential boyfriend, don't you start too! :P Lol, yes, I mentioned in passing to my grandparents something about my female friend, and they put one and ten together. So now whenever I see them, it's "how's your girlfriend, the Chinese girl?" (She's not even Chinese???) My mum thinks it's hilarious, because she knows I'm gay. The only reason I haven't told them is cos I know it would just upset them needlessly. I must admit, it would be quite entertaining to announce it at the Xmas dinner table just to see everyone's reactions... cause a bit of drama. ;)  Paul  730 00:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol, glad you had a good time. Haven't been drinking, per chance? ;) Today was okay, just doing some last minute shopping then came home and watched My Super Ex-Girlfriend. Yeah, I really should stay away from here but no doubt I'll log on at least once to do some wiki-stalking... it's like an addiction, lol. :P Anyway, merry Christmas have a good one. xx :D  Paul  730 23:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Bah humbug, you're so happy-sounding. ;) Lol, I planned on getting drunk tomorrow morning to make the family chit chat marginally more bearable but I decided last minute that I couldn't face alcohol so early in the day. I really don't have a taste for booze, long vodka (which tastes just like lemonade if you don't know, which I'm sure you do but hey) all the way!  Paul  730 23:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, how was your day? Mine wasn't nearly as bad as I'd steeled myself for, the passive agressive relations must have been in a good mood this year. ;) The food was good too. I did miss Doctor Who though, so no spoilers please, but I taped it so I'll watch it tommorrow. I did pretty well present-wise too, lots of DVDs, clothes, Mario Galaxy (which I've not had a chance to play yet). How about you? :)  Paul  730 22:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, my friend is doing that with me right now, going on about his feelings and his sex life. I'm just his little agony aunt who listens to him. ;) Is Galaxy any good? I'm cautious, because I loved 64 and hated Sunshine. I was also wary of Super Paper Mario because although I looooooved Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, the latest one seems like more of a platformer than an RPG, and I prefer the RPG aspect. Lol, we're such children, playing Mario games. I also got Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time for xmas.  Paul  730 22:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
If it's fun, then hey... Wind Waker was pish (pish easy, not pish quality) but it was still fun up until the infamous Triforce hunt. I found Sunshine a little difficult actually, I'm not very good at video games which aren't Zelda, lol. Not sure about Mario/Sonic... but Smash Bros will be AMAZING even though we'll all be playing it in the old folks home by the time it comes out.  Paul  730 22:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Angel

What are you thinking of Angel: After the Fall? I've defended it against criticism but it's not as good as I'd hoped... the Gunn storyline is the only thing I'm really excited about at the moment. I was hoping Spike might inject some more life into it, but all we got was a pointless little fight between him and Angel, something it seems like we're going to get next month as well between Angel and Illyria. Is it just be or is there more sexual content that there usually is? Nina's molestation of random women, Spike's half-naked demon bimbos, the kinky tagline for next issue ("Time for a little discipline"??)... I'm no prude, but this doesn't seem very Angel. I can't help but wonder if Lynch is a bit of a perv, lol. I dunno, it's a solid book, but it's not blowing me away yet. I'm not gonna trash it like everybody else, though. What's your thoughts...?  Paul  730 13:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, a lot of my badwill towards it comes from Buffy, which just blows me away every time, even when I'm not in the mood for it. What characterizations are off? Nina, obviously, but she was never a very good character anyway. I thought ol' Illyria seemed okay... she lost Wesley so she's lached onto Spike as her guide. She might call him her pet, but I think Leery has some co-dependancy issues. :P I think Gunn is dead on, his scene with George was my favourite so far. Yes, Betta George is great, it says a lot when you love a character who's appeared so infrequently. The whole series just confuses me... it's not as bad as people are saying, it's a good book. But it doesn't really deserve the devotion I give Buffy. It's nice to hear from an intelligent fan (as opposed to Newsarama/YouTube haters) that my problems with it aren't unfounded.  Paul  730 17:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't mind Urru's art as much as some people, but I think he's not as good at clarity as Jeanty and he draws terrible women. Gwen and Nina look crap, and nothing like Gwen and Nina, whereas Angel, Spike, and Connor look quite good. Gunn and Wes look alright, I don't like how Wes has reverted back to his season 2 suits and glasses. God, I hate that I'm slagging off this series...  Paul  730 17:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Yup, picked it up today (along with Tales of the Slayers/Vampires - Forbidden Planet FINALLY had them in stock, I nearly screamed in the shop, now have the complete Buffyverse canon, more or less). I was spoiled about the human Angel thing - that's what having the character page on your watchlist does for you. Still pretty interesting though, it was the best ish so far. I was confused by the time travel thing... explain? What was that second panel, Future Angel? And Baby Angel? WTF??? I like that Spike's apparent shallowness in #2 was a mislead, I was worried Lynch had totally ignored his arc in season 5. Did you notice the cameo from "Tabula Rasa"?  Paul  730 21:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I've always been kind of "meh" when it came to Franco's art. He's perfectly adequate, the darkness fits the tone of the book, but he's just not as special as Jeanty. I get the painted covers, not the Jeanty covers, to match my painted Buffy covers, but like you I'm starting to wish I hadn't because the upcoming ones look crap. The new Buffy ones are quite good... is that Dracula coming into it? I hope they mention his appearance alongside Buffy and Xander in Tales, that was funny. What did you make of "Anywhere but Here"? I like the explantion for why Kennedy isn't a Scooby. My friend is convinced that Willow is going to betray Buffy, I think that's a little too obvious, even Buffy wondered that.  Paul  730 08:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't listen to them. What was your question? What was he saying?  Paul  730 22:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Sounds funny, do you have a link? I didn't get that Loanshark gag you made, I do now. I like that Teeth is in A:AtF, gives a nice sense of continuity to the universe. Plus he's ridiculous, which is always fun. Lynch seems perfectly nice in interviews, I'm just not sure how I feel about AfF. We're not really into the meat of the story yet, are we, so it's hard to tell. I'm sure the overall plot will be good under Joss Whedon's tyrannical eye, but the individual issues aren't as memorable as Buffy. Kind of like the show, I guess.  Paul  730 22:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
That was fun, I can see why you like Lynch. He's funny. How would I cite that podcast if I wanted to use it as a source on an article? I'd like to add Beta George to List of minor Angel characters and Lynch mentions some good characterization stuff. (Do you want to start George's entry at the list? I don't know how he was introduced in Asylum.)  Paul  730 23:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Betta George << I've included an editor's note requesting that people flesh out his pre-AfF appearances, since I don't know much about them. George is such a mystery. :)  Paul  730 20:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Countdown: Arena

Sorry, didn't read the mini. The idea behind it (forced battles) didn't interest me.

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Invitation

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Rip-off?

They say that imitation is the biggest compliment fiction can get, so if there are similarities, I'd look at it as a big love letter to the Buffyverse. Nothing wrong with that. I know Davis is a Buffy fan, apparently "Love & Monsters" was inspired by "The Zeppo". I haven't noticed too much similarity between Jack and Angel, Jack has a way different personality... I guess they both fall into that ridiculously-macho-action-hero-with-swishy-coat stereotype. John just seems like your average foil, I'll pass more judgement when I see him in action. I've actually been in a total Whoniverse mood lately, I got the DW S3 DVD for xmas and I've been loving it. Martha is so much better than Rose, and Donna is even better. There's actually a deleted scene in Last of the Times Lords where they poke fun at Jack -

Jack: The 21st century is when everything changes... and you've gotta be ready!
Doctor: What does that even mean?
Jack: I dunno, it just sounds cool.

Lol, wonder why they took that out. :)  Paul  730 21:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Torchwood is a bit too straight faced, considering how ridiculous it is. I liked the Dead Ringers sketch where Gwen was like "How the hell did we get on the roof?" and Jack said "The rift causes temporal anomalies resulting in massive plot holes that we just have to deal with." Lol, so true. And the idea of Saxon sending the team to the Himalayas is funny to me - how did they get there, the Torchwood jeep? Aw, I can't help but like it, no matter how shit it is. :P One thing that does annoy me though is Jack/Ianto. Sorry, but they have zero chemistry that I can see, it feels like they've been forced together like a square peg in a round hole (so to speak) to please the fangirls and it feels completely unnatural. I did like the Captain Jack Harkness episode, that was quite romantic and tragic, but Jack/Ianto... urgh. Their "stopwatch" scene at the end of "They Keep Killing Suzie" makes me cringe. I'm also worried that John is going to be a one-dimensional "Look fans, two hot guys kissing" gag with no real character, I hope I'm wrong. One thing I am looking forward to though is more Face of Boe info - my TV magazine said there'd be more of that. :)  Paul  730 21:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
So what did you think of TW? I liked it, it's nice to see the characters operating as a proper team rather than the character-of-the-week set-up of the first season. They actually seem like a cool superhero team now rather than a group of incompetents. Also liking the slight but promising developments of Asshole Owen and Dull Ianto... and the trailer for the upcoming episodes was brilliant. I'm excited.  Paul  730 21:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I deliberately left ol' Captain John out of my little review because I was a bit confused by him. He was ridiculously over-the-top... it felt like they just copied season two Spike and timesed him by ten. Only without Spike's endearing romantic side. I feel like John could make a good long-term foil for Jack, foils are always fun (I'm still annoyed that John Simm's Master is dead). I hope they tell a decent story with John, it felt like they were trying too hard to establish him as very cool and sexy. As for being too gay... I read James Marsters saying somewhere that it basically bordered on porn, I think that's exaggerating slightly. It was a bit gratuitous, I preferred the senstitivity of Captain Jack Harkness (such a pussy, lol). Jack and Gwen... nah. I'd rather they flesh him and Ianto out more since they've already went down that road, and have Gwen stay with Rhys. A blonde? But Torchwood is all dark dark dark! Can't have a blonde coming in and brightening the place up! ;) What online game?  Paul  730 22:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I just tried it and my computer crashed. It looked a bit crap, forgive me but I think I'll pass. :P BTW, can't remember if I told you but I caught up on Sarah Jane and I quite like it. Your criticism of it earlier is fair, but it's still fun. Oddly, my favourite character is Alan, Maria's dad, he just has this gormless nice-guy charm. And it's always great when the parents (be it Joyce, Aunt May, whoever) find out about what their superhero kids have been getting up to... I like Chrissy, Maria's mum, too, she's such a bitch. It would be funny to have a SJA/Torchwood crossover, and see how the TW team cope with a bunch of kids doing their job better then they do. It would never happen, but it would be fun.  Paul  730 22:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, you seriously just made me burst out laughing with that Tosh "SAY WHAT!?" joke. Fucking hilarious. That totally just highlights the difference between the two shows; on SJA an alien is a nice peaceful star poet, on TW it's a lesbian who wants to kill people. Yes, that would make a great sketch. It would be interesting to see Jack and Sarah Jane together, she'd no doubt be very unimpressed by his violent approach to things. It totally annoys me how Tosh and Jack have both met the Doctor but they don't know it. And shouldn't all of Torchwood 3 know who the Doctor is anyway? Even the security guards at Torchwood 1 did. Shouldn't they have camera footage of Jack jumping on the TARDIS and figure out what happened to him... they're really quite a shit team, Sarah Jane's gang own them so bad. ;)  Paul  730 22:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I just figured they were the same character. Having seen TW before "Aliens of London", I was actually disappointed she didn't have a bigger part. I hope they don't go down the identical cousin/sister route, but that upcoming episode sounds great. Looking forward to Martha being in it too, I hope she doesn't have a random lesbian affair for no reason though. (Lol, Torchwood, nobody leaves with their heterosexuality intact!) What do you make of Rose's imminent return? I'm concerned, it doesn't seem necessary, and I'm more excited about Donna.  Paul  730 23:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

??? Do you know something I don't? I don't really check for DW spoilers, what's coming up?  Paul  730 23:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

That sounds great. Lots of bitchy in-fighting I hope; Martha making snide remarks at Rose, Rose standing there with her mouth hanging open as usual, Donna screeching at both of them for no apparent reason. :D  Paul  730 23:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Not all fans love comedy. "Love & Monsters" is one of the most controversial episode amongst fans, for it's lack of Doctor and silly storyline. I can totally see this ep going down the same, but who cares, I loved "L&M". How dare you call Donna and Jackie nuisancy, they're my favourite characters in the universe. Donna's final scene in "Runaway Bride" gives me shivers, she's so good. Also, I think it's a little unfair to class all non-companion females as wallpaper, I think Doctor Who has loads of brilliant minor characters. What about Yvonne Hartman, Harriet Jones (so annoyed at how she was written out, they should have given her a heroic death), Sally Sparrow, Lady Cassandra, Ursula Blake. I'd also include Tallulah from "Daleks in Manhatten" if it wasn't for that accent. Probably more that I've forgotten about. Oh, what about Martha's mum, Francine, I didn't know what to make of her. I admire her strength.  Paul  730 23:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on, don't diss "Love & Monsters"! It's such a love-it-or-hate-it episode. I hate Peter Kay, but the Abzorbaloff is funny for some reason. I like that he doesn't have a name, that people just call him Abzorbaloff, and he's like "yes, I like that!" He's funny. The pavement thing... not my favourite part but the episode is gold. A great example of minor but highly likable characters, and tragedy undercutting the comedy... it's quite dark when you think about it. Those people died because the Doctor touched their lives, and they were curious. Plus it did a great job of expanding Jackie's character, and her loneliness. I will defend "L&M"! Some people hate it just cos the Doctor's not in it, they hate "Blink" as well, which is just ridiculous because "Blink" is a masterpiece.  Paul  730 00:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow, change the subject much? :P Hmm, I've thought about this quite a bit, actually. One of the reasons I don't read fan fiction is because it's too self-indulgent. It's usually about one character hooking up with another character, regardless of their actual sexuality and personality on the show, just because the fan thinks it would be hot. Torchwood feels like fan fiction. It's immature, it's indulgent, it ignores sensible characterisation for cheap thrills. It doesn't seem concerned with addressing bisexuality or portraying bisexual relationships, it's just about people shagging/kissing whoever's in front of them. I like the innocent flirting between the Doctor and Jack in DW, but TW is ridiculous. It also seems to imply a "everyone is bisexual" message I'm not sure I agree with. (My opinions on bisexuality have changed over the years, I used to believe in a "gay gene" and therefore didn't believe that bisexuality was legitimate. I've since come to believe that sexuality is based more on psychology than genetics, and is FAR more complicated than just gay/straight. Whatever, it's people's own business what they identify as.) Whatever my views on sexuality, it just isn't good writing to have Ianto grieving over his dead girlfriend one minute, then shagging Jack for no apparent reason the next. When Willow "turned" gay, it was a sensitively-handled story about her falling in love with someone she hadn't expected to fall in love with. It wasn't just "you're hot, I'll fuck you" like it is in Torchwood. I didn't like the poodle joke, it was funny but it disturbed me a little bit. Jack can flirt with sentient humanoid bugs all he likes, that's sci fi, but a poodle? That's a little creepy. One thing I do like is the Doctor's comment that, by the 51st century, sexuality is basically meaningless because society evolves past it's prejudices. Sure, they're using aliens as a metaphor, but it sounds positive to me. The portrayal of Shakespeare as bi, the various closeted gays in WWII, and the eldery gay couple in "Gridlock", are positive as well, suggesting homo/bisexuality have been and will be prevalent and normal throughout human history. I'm sure Russel T Davis' heart is in the right place, he just gets a bit indulgent and goes overboard in Torchwood.  Paul  730 00:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Oops, just followed that link to erasure, and saw "includes people who deny bisexuals exist". That used to be me, sorry. :/ I pretty much thought you either had the gay gene or you didn't, there weren't halfsies. Bisexuals were either simply open-minded, attention-seeking, or gays in denial. I hung around with a lot of people in school who claimed to be bisexual. You'd never hear them express attraction to or date the same sex, they just wanted to be bisexual for the street cred. A few years later, they would admit they weren't. It must be confusing to be bisexual, I always knew I was gay, accepted it at age 11/12, came out at 14/15. But as I experimented with my sexuality, I realised it was really complicated and everybody's sexuality is unique to them. I wouldn't hold up any of the Drawn Together bunch as positive bisexual icons (especially Hero). Willow identifies as lesbian, but I think she's about a 4 on the kinsey scale. She's definitely attracted to men, I'm not sure how sexual it is. I didn't like Marissa, or Samantha from SatC, they felt too much like ratings-boosters. Jamie Madrox is a brilliant character, his bisexuality is explored through his duplicates. He maintains that everyone is a little gay, but is largely relucant to explore that side of himself (he flirts with men and jokes about it though). Mystique could have been a bisexual icon (maybe not a positive one) if Marvel hadn't pussied out back in the 70s when Claremont wanted to make her Nightcrawler's father. Cap Jack, despite his flaws, is probably the best bisexual icon out there.  Paul  730 01:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice job finding some sources discussing Andrew's sexuality. The article isn't completely original research now. Torchwood was pretty good tonight, huh? Made me think of Secret Invasion.  Paul  730 23:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Jack was a dick in that episode. Ianto's been getting an awful lot of lines lately, hasn't he? I can't keep a track of him and his multiple personalities. ;) I thought the episode was one of the best so far. I wonder if those aliens will finish their invasion later in the show (maybe the season finale?).  Paul  730 00:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Apparently the arc for DW series 4 was mentioned/hinted at in "Voyage of the Damned". I have no idea what it is, somebody on the article talk page suggested it was the Doctor being portrayed as a god-like entity ("LotTL"s floaty moment, "VotD"s Angel moment). I don't think that's it, good theory though. Joe Quesada... meh. I don't know whether "OMD" was a genuine attempt to keep Spider-Man timeless for the sake of future generations, or simply a selfish way of maintaining his own childhood memories of the old status quo. "BND" looks interesting, but the retcon was utterly horrific storytelling. I'd hate Joe Q less if he admitted his mistake and apologised for "OMD" instead of maintaining that the fanboys are a vocal minority. Like hell, I'm totally open-minded to new directions, loved Civil War, but I hate "OMD" and I don't even read 616 Spidey comics. Don't hate RTD at all, I think he can be a little indulgent at times, usually it works, sometimes it doesn't. He seems much less arrogant and more friendly than Joss Whedon, who I respect but don't really like as a person. I've never seen QAF though. Don't even know who that other guy is.  Paul  730 00:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Death threats? Lol, get a life, fanboys. All comic book writers seem to be hated, if you go on any of their Wikipedia articles, there'll be a bunch of POV crap about "Many fans criticise his habit of blah blah blah". No sources for any of it of course. Apparently Mark Miller is a big ego, I like him. Bendis is pretty hit-and-miss, I love Ult Spidey but his Avengers books suck. Dan Slott is cool, it's a shame that his potentially-legendary run on ASM has been marred by all this "OMD" crap. He deserved better.  Paul  730 01:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't really know DC writers. (But you stole Grant Morrison from us! Give him back you bastards!) I'll pass judgment on that guy when he writes Season Eight. BTW, I hope that Cliff Richard doesn't draw anymore Buffy issues, I didn't like his work on "Anywhere but Here". He drew a good Tales of the Vampires story, I guess it's all in the inking...  Paul  730 01:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Break

The vampire one was funny, very Doctor Who. What is it, the first calls are actors and then the ones at the end are actual people? Yeah, phone up, it would be funny. Be sure to tell me if you're on it. How'd you find that site, it seems pretty random.  Paul  730 21:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Lmao! There's something endearingly naff about the Welshness of Torchwood. It tries to be all CSI with it's swooping shots of the city and power walks (gotta love a good power walk!) but it's in Cardiff, so it doesn't quite pull it off. I want to know where Torchwood 2 is! I probably know the building! ;) Lol, frenemy? So is that a friend you have a rivalry with, or an enemy you're fake nice to? My best friend and I are frenemies. I kind of prefer it that way, nice people bore me after a while.  Paul  730 21:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Don't "Psh" Scottish Torchwood! It's arguably the most successful of the lot, since a) It wasn't destroyed like Torchwood 1, b) It's not publicly known like Torchwood 3, and c) it can still be found unlike Torchwood 4. Scottish or Irish Torchwood would probably be preferable since Welsh people are, and I'm quoting Psylocke here, essentially Scottish people without the sex appeal or Irish people without the sense of humour. ;) Is Ireland even part of Great Britain???  Paul  730 22:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I take it you mean Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart? Sorry, my knowledge of classic Who is spotty at best. I look at it as I do Silver Age Marvel - with historical respect, but no interest in actually watching/reading the stories first hand. I've seen the film, it just wasn't the same as the modern stuff. And all we know about TW2 is that it's run by a "very strange man". It would be fun to have a Shaun of the Dead moment where TW3 meet their Scottish/Irish counterparts.  Paul  730 22:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The only comic I'm really interested in the complete history of is X-Men (I'm actually working on it's publication history in my sandbox right now) but even then, I take Silver Age continuity with a very large pinch of salt. I think Marvel do too, books like X-Men: First Class take a lot of liberties with early continuity but noone cares because the old stories were mostly rubbish anyway. The 70s/80s Claremont run is gold, though. Storm was far better back then than she is now. Those are the only non-modern comics I own. Young Jack... just think, one day that little boy will be a giant head in a jar. Should be a good ep though, I loved that Sarah Jane origin ep.
As for the article, it depends how important/detailed his backstory is. Can we not just cover it in the season sections as it gets revealed? Angel has a lot of flashbacks but I haven't given him a backstory section in my (unfinished) sandbox.  Paul  730 23:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
And this week, Tosh actually *gasp* gets a storyline! I hope there's not as many Owen-centric eps this series, he's better as a disgruntled sidekick.  Paul  730 23:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I think Ood are hermaphrodites so I'm sure they're right up John's street. I love the Ood! Them and Chantho have to win a "More endearing aliens in the Whoniverse" award. I hope they get a happy ending this time, that shot of the frightened Ood about to die in "The Satan Pit" really upset me. :( Never mind a pervert, RTD is a murderer!  Paul  730 23:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I didn't know SJ was coming back, heard rumours but y'know. I imagine Jack's role will be pretty fleeting, kind of a "hi, bye" thing when Martha rejoins the Doctor. Jack never does much in DW, he's very much the companion and not the leading man, which I kind of like. I don't like it when breakout charaters get overused. *cough* Wolverine *cough* Spike *cough* I don't like how the Doctor treats Jack like shit, though, but I guess that's just their relationship. Mean Doctor! I heard rumours Billie hasn't yet shot a scene with David, leading people to wonder whether it's a proper reunion or merely a cameo. Anyway, tell me everything you know, spoil away. :D  Paul  730 23:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Chloe

Probably not. Also, I resent that "Veronica Mars" comment. ;) Mars is a rip-off of Chloe. I think it's intriguing, but we'll see how it goes. Oh, we need a source for the Lionel comic incarnation analogy (him looking like Glover). Are you going to buy the comic?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I think he saw an original character, who was, as the time, third-fourth-or even fifth wheel on her show, and said "that's an awesome character who could run her own show". I'll take Krypton over Mars, especially since one is still on the air. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Smallville isn't built on the instant gratification that Mars is, it's built on development. It's not a show you can just pop on and know what's going on (short of the general idea of Clark Kent becoming Superman...even though most people think the show is Superman). I've caught episodes of Mars, but it doesn't have the dynamic that Smallville has. You cannot watch the trials and tribulations (sp) of two characters, and watch them go down such starkly contrasting paths as well on any other show. Everyone may know where Smallville will end, but watching them get there is what makes for great television. "Reckoning" (the 100th episode) is by far one of the best television episodes of any show I've ever seen. Plus, few shows can match the beautiful cinematography that Smallville creates. Even when they have bad episodes, they still look gorgeous on screen. I'll admit, it does have a lot of the "abs, boobs" craze that has plagued television dramas lately, but the show can at least say that the "abs and boobs" on screen have some talent. Plus, where else can you watch John Glover on TV?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
If you read the companion guides, Lionel's motives for being so "ambiguous" in his determined "side" is explained. It's basically him fighting himself a lot of the time. He tries to be good, but he often times reverts back to evil acts in order to accomplish the "good" things that he does. As for Kreuk, she can act, though there are plenty of episodes (and occassionally the majority of seasons) when she's shitty. Welling has grown surprisingly over the course of the show. His range has become more extensive. I just wish he'd do movies that weren't cheap remakes of other movies.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I thought The Fog was "ok". I felt the original was more creepy, but the remake had better effects.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Alternate versions of supergirl

I'd say go ahead and change the main article picture to the one used in the main supergirl article. Its probably more appropriate. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 01:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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