Talk:Zulu Dawn

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I'm deleting the phrase 'possibly because the British won' for two reasons - it is in my opinion POV, and because Zulu is the better film due to superior characterisation and a tighter story. Average Earthman 19:35, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'll stick to my opinion about the film "Zulu" being aired on TV much more frequently than "Zulu Dawn." I've only seen the latter once in my area, but the former is on all the time. I believe, in fact, that too many people do not like a movie showing the Brits getting wacked by a bunch of spearmen. Stepp-Wulf 05:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] MISTAKE IN ZULU DAWN ARTICLE

The article several times refers to the Zambezi River as separating Zululand from Natal. The Zambezi, which is a long distance from the site, is Africa's fourth most important river. The actual river was the Buffalo, a pissant of a stream (as shown in both Zulu Dawn and Zulu). This is a little like locating the Missouri River in the Texas Panhandle. 196.46.106.86 10:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC) Mzee Mvuvi, Dar es Salaam

[edit] NPOV

@Rusty2005

You have mentioned: 'We don't need ... references to Zulus as "mocking"'

"...hold the Colours aloft mockingly" is original text from the Zulu Dawn movie script.

But you're right, of course it’s not NPOV. Discriminating Zulus was not my intention. Felix c 17:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Now to something completely different, you have edited Zulu Dawn in October 2006 as follows:

Ken Gampu: Mantshonga. A leading general in the Zulu army, Mantshonga masterminds various schemes to confuse British forces, using scouts to gain intelligence on the lumbering British army, and small raiding parties to confuse British and Boer scouts on the whereabouts of Zulu impis. Mantshonga realises that the only chance he has of defeating the British invasion force is to overwhelm the British while they are exposed and vulnerable; and that an open battle between British and Zulu forces will result in a crushing Zulu defeat at the hands of British rifles, artillery, and Gatling guns. Mantshonga therefore keeps his impis hidden from the British, allowing the invaders to progress deep into Zululand, waiting for them to commit an error that will give the impis the opportunity they need to overwhelm the British before they have time to commit their technology to the battle. While chasing a Boer scout, Mantshonga instructs three of his warriors to allow themselves to be captured by the British, who eventually escape and advise Mantshonga on British weaknesses. In contrast to the British commanders, Mantshonga displays immense bravery, and is last seen leading his warriors into the débâcle of the British camp, where he is shot and presumably killed.

Are you sure, this is correct? To my understanding, Mantshonga acts as Sir Henry Bartle Frere’s negotiator, meeting Cetshwayo, informing him about the ultimatum?

Here is an excerpt from the movie script:

MANTSHONGA: (...) "They are angry and send these demands. They say you rule in old ways that are wrong, that you kill your people without trial. The Great White Queen herself cannot kill her lowliest subject though she rules forty lands... "

BAYELE: "Kill the Traitor, Father"

(...) BARTLE FRERE, CHELMSFORD, CREALOCK & MANTSHONGA are now standing. BARTLE FRERE addresses the entire garden party.

You are mentioning: Mantshonga displays immense bravery, and is last seen leading his warriors into the débâcle of the British camp, where he is shot and presumably killed.

I think, the Induna who is shot by Private Storey is not Mantshonga! The Induna leading the attack on the camp is wearing a scalp lock, different to Mantshonga, who has a shaved head.Felix c 20:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)