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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Order of Canada (Member).jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Chernenko 1984.jpg

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Your recent edits to my user page

I am sure you will not mind that I write on my user page that the user page has been edited partly by you against my will? --Law Lord (talk) 09:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I explained my edit on your talk page, I kindly ask you read that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Józef Piłsudski

Since you commented in the last round, please note that the nomination has been restarted. Thanks for the comments and edits so far! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


About Estonian Euro Images

Please check this page on the Bank web site:

http://www.bankofestonia.info/pub/en/web/veebiinfo/copyright/copyright.html?objId=270962

It clearly states that the images can be used as long as is not for profit. Can you please put them back?

No. You misrepresented the license of the images. Plus, we cannot accept under those license terms that the website points out. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks

teah ... I forgot that it isn't a totally safe world Akira-otomo (Talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Coat of Arms of North Korea.png)

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Image creation?

Hi Zscout, I was wondering whether you or whether you know anyone with the knowhow to reproduce this excellent Britannica image I found of the growth of Russia. [1] Obviously I can't upload the Britannica image and I also wanted to make it chronological moving image like this [2], but making it move is not necessary. Best regards, --Miyokan (talk) 15:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It can be done, but I might not be able to work on it much. I suggest the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab for this. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you!--Miyokan (talk) 07:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Image Copyright Question

Hi,

Quick question: I uploaded images from this page

http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/InformationWebsite.htm?http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/files/files.nat/austria.s01.htm

.. this wed site is referenced all over wikipedia and its images are also uploaded in several articles. Do you know why the images of the previous pages were deleted from Wikipedia? I can not find a reason.

Thanks for your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miguel.mateo (talk • contribs) 14:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_April_30#Various_EU_Currency_pictures. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Your copyedit request

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Your copyedit request

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Userpage

This has become quite disturbing as my page keeps getting deleted, first of all my image got deleted supposedly because of Copyright violation, the image of which I created as well as produced for my patent...

Then my entire page was deleted for what ever reason I don't know, however I do assure you all the information was an original work by me...

Any and all materials not by me has been referenced...


Account: Will2green

Regards Will Green

Because the copyright terms you used for your userpage isn't allowed for Wikipedia. Plus, Wikipedia is not a hosting for private theories. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Seal of New Milford, Connecticut.svg

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Deleted. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation of Wikipediamao.png

I took the image from Wikipedia itself, although strangely, I've found it difficult to find the same image again.

With that said, the work by Taschen isn't original: They're reproductions of public domain Chinese propaganda posters owned by Michael Wolf. Would that therefore make them in violation of copyright? I'm not sure. I guess from what I've heard that if you reproduce something in the public domain (i.e., photograph the Mona Lisa, record yourself playing Mozart on a violin), then your reproduction can be copyrighted.

Here's the same photo [3]. A number of the same photos are on the articles on Propaganda and Propaganda in the People's Republic of China.

I did some digging and found his personal website here [4]. I sent him an email just now, asking him permission to use the photo and if he has a large copy that isn't branded with "TASCHEN". If he doesn't respond, any idea on what I could do? I.E., he released the image to be used by Taschen and an Art Exhibit. If it's not possible to get into contact with him, what should I do?

Another thing, too, China has very limited intellectual property law and to my knowledge, it was even worse in the past, back when that poster was likely made. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 09:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

All works made in the People's Republic in China, with some exceptions, are protected by copyright for 50 years after the death of the author (or if no author, or the author is the government, 50 years after creation). The only material that is public domain upon creation are laws and other regulations by the national government (also their official translations), news events and formulae/calendars. But your original statement is correct; if you photograph a public domain work or reproduce a public domain song on your own, you can copyright it. Wikimedia works differently, so it will depend on what the work is and how it is treated. The only thing I can suggest is contact Michael Wolf, and if that doesn't work, then don't upload this specific image again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Kazakhstani_tenge_symbol.svg

Thanks for uploading this image! I'm sure that as the creator of this image you can provide some dearly needed source as to the validity of this image. In other words, where did you find out that this is indeed the new symbol? Source(s) for that article please! Thanks a bunch. Nesnad (talk) 06:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

As I denoted on the SVG image, it was just a redo of a jpeg image. The image was sourced to [5]. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter

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Dean Smith Image

It does appear that user did leave Flickr, but he gave specific permission to me in an email to use the work on wikipedia. Is there any way that I can save this picture from being deleted? Remember (talk) 10:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I remember when seeing the flickr permissions, it didn't give exactly what we want. Another user, Miranda, is sending flickr mail to a few users to see if we can get a few photographs. So, most likely, the image you have right now is going to be deleted sometime in the future. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
— *cough* *cough* TMI :-P miranda 01:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, but it's a shame that there is nothing that can be done to save this picture given its a good picture of Smith, there is nothing else out there and the author specifically gave me permission to put it up on wikipedia. Remember (talk) 20:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but there is so many questions about the image, it might be easier to just sadly part with it than trying to revisit the issue everytime someone wants to bring the article to your FA standard. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
— It's okay to delete the picture now. :-P miranda 03:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate Image:Symbol of Ibraki Prefecture.svg

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Looks like I cannot spell. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Facarticle

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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Already gone. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

re:Japanese flags

My recent edits on Japanese flags began just because I saw lots of "sin bandera" on the list and I thought it's ugly. But I confess I've been a long time flag-fan, visiting flag-related websites frequently. I liked flags from my childhood, but my interests really grew when ex-Soviet nations adopted new flags around 1992. As for JIS Z 8721, I (carelessly) presume it to be same as Munsell, and use the software 色出し名人 (Irodashi Meijin) to get corresponding RGB. To me, it becomes more troubling when a regional govt states the color in Pantone, DIC, or worse yet, does not. (Happens very often for Japanese subnational flags: they exist, but only on de facto usages without written announcements.) Kzaral (talk) 04:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I added some construction sheet URLs for your list. (Some prefectural databases do not arrow direct links, so you have to log in at the indexes.) I hope it helps. As for Nagano Prefecture, my software says its color (10R 6 14) is equivalent to RGB 247 96 49, web #f76031. This relatively reliable website uses similar color, though not exactly the same. Kzaral (talk) 01:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch. I will change the Nagano-ken flag later, unless you want to do it for me. I used Inkscape to craft the images, so if you also have it, it will be easy to change. I will book mark that link and see what else we can do in the future. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I added web colors converted from Munsell on your list, excluding something obvious like #ffffff. It seems Gunma and Miyazaki use a different scheme (presumably something called PCCS), which I could't convert. Kzaral (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:BLR NOC logo.png

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Belarus

My I ask - what is your motivation to support the Belarus ąuthoritarian government? Xx236 (talk) 11:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd encourage zscout to ignore stupid conspiracy theories about established editors having a secret agenda. I'd also reassure him that picking on the article of the day on the article's talk page is common for people who wouldn't do any useful editing themselves. 70.64.77.186 (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I didn't chose when the article was going to go on the main page, that would be Raul654's decision. But I do find Belarus to be an interesting country, so that is why I write about it. It will be useless for me to talk about how bad article quality is and not do anything about it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:Country data Croatia

How would this issue be resolved? -- Imbris (talk) 21:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see it as an issue that needs to be resolved. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Then a question perhaps?! -- Imbris (talk) 21:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Well why not tackle that suggestion of mine. -- Imbris (talk) 22:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no pressing issue to make the change. There is no one demanding to have the icons changed other than you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know exactly who has written on commons Image:Flag of Croatia.svg that there is a need of using 2:3 ratio version for icons. I only know that this is written on that page, some of commons users listened to that pleading and use 2:3 for their icons. -- Imbris (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I can check the history, but honestly, I still see no need to do what the Commons asked. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Well you said that it is only me who is suggesting that. I have checked. It was firstly proposed by commons:User:Neoneo13 on 20th of June 2006. [6] -- Imbris (talk) 22:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

There is still no pressing need. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

What does that mean anyway? There is always some need, pressing or not. The image of Croatia may be more complete (on Wiki) if her symbols would be more readable. -- Imbris (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
It is fine the way that it is now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
This is your final oppinion. Maybe if Neoneo13 and I waited for a couple of months (maybe another 2 years should pass - like from the first proposal by coleauge Neoneo13). Why is this so difficult. Unlock and I'll do it. Or we may as well give up (for now) and wait a few days to cool-off. -- Imbris (talk) 00:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I cannot unlock, it is a High Use Template and those are always locked. Honestly, I feel like this is an issue that never was an issue. It is fine the way it is, just trust me dammit. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Like Template talk:Country data Serbia was locked and changes appeared. It is not fine when you see a flag with 1:2 ratio beside (in the same line with) a flag with 2:3 ratio. -- Imbris (talk) 17:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
It's because I saw no problems with the change, so I did it for Serbia. There are other flags with other ratios of 1:2 or even worse, so that wasn't a main concern from the people who made the templates. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
So Serbia - yes and Croatia - no. The officiality plays no role in this case but visibility and readability. As for I know Serbia do not have anything of official flag ratio, it is just a recommendation, and you use 2:3. Why not Croatia? -- Imbris (talk) 23:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
2:3 is the official ratio for Serbia as far as I know. I am not making the change. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Sad. -- Imbris (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

hi

Can a cool admin help a guy out? I want to add one sentence to the world of Wikipedia. But I can't. The sentence is factual, provable, reliable (I chose the New York Times version.)

Circumcision may decrease a man's risk of getting HIV but it may also INCREASE a man's risk of getting herpes and chlamydia. (and some doctors even say other STD's too but I won't get into that and I wouldn't put caps on INCREASE.)

The article on circumcision mentions the term HIV probably 100 times (I'm not joking) and mentions "herpes" or "chlamydia" not Once. Click on the article. You tell me if it's an article on the procedure or a pro-circumcision propaganda pamphlet.

Can a cool admin stop two guys named Avraham and Jakew (the site's dictators) from deleting my one sentence I want to add? Or possibly get new Admins to take over this article, which has fallen way below Wikipedia standards. And if people's edits are automatically deleted, people won't want to get a user name and contribute in the future.

here's the New York Times piece... http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C07E4D91F3AF931A35757C0A961958260&fta=y

I used to love Wikipedia until I went to add a sentence, you know? Well, thanks. 70.114.38.167 (talk) 07:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This article has been having issues for a while now, so you're not the only person having this issue. I am think the problem is the placement of the text, probably should be more downwards in the article. Who knows, it might have been covered already. Just be patient. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Archtransit

I don't know if this guy should be banned or not, but I think it's waaay too soon to come to a conclusion on this. Please at least allow more than a days worth of discussion on this, and possibly allow arbcom to continue their investigation, before actually blocking. -- Ned Scott 05:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It is not way to soon. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
That's your feeling on it, but you don't get to decide this alone. -- Ned Scott 05:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Please, don't misunderstand me. I have a great deal of respect for you, and it's likely he will be banned in the end, but several people have specially asked to take this slowly, and there is no need to be so urgent with the block. Please, yield to the discussion, that's what makes a community ban a community ban. -- Ned Scott 05:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
So what do you want me to say to the near 90 percent who want this block to stand? I am actually doing something the community wants and you want me to reverse it? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Unblocked [7]. Tiptoety talk 05:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
He won't get a wheel war, at least from me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It's just the short term block we're talking about, not the final decision. -- Ned Scott 06:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think we all just felt the block was a bit pre-mature, though may be required later on. But we need to finish the investigation first. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 20:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Natasha Radojčić

Please tell me the reason for deletion. Is licence was not good? I have premission of site webmasters for using any picture. --Pockey (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that we need the permission on file, since we have a lot of people who claim they have permission to use the images, but the sources said otherwise. I suggest you forward your emails, if you have them still, to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org. Then, if it checks it, they will either restore it themselves or they will ask me to do it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:NewZealandNationalFrontLogo.png

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Just get rid of it. I only edited the image for PNG crush and that's it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of possible interest

Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Constitution_of_Belarus_and_Polish_minority_rights.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied. See me on IRC also, please, when you can. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Belarus portal/Featured picture

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Ain't getting involved in this one. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The Belarusian language article

Hello! I notices that this article hadn't received any rating on the importance scale, and I didn't find where to promote it at the WikiProject Belarus, so I rated it as "Top importance" myself. I see you participate in the project, so I wanted to ask you for suggestion, whether you agree or disagree with this rating, since I don't even know whom else I could ask. Thanks! --Betty kerner (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the rating. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Gallery of astronomical flags

By what criteria would Gallery of astronomical flags qualify for speedy deletion? Given the recent discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flags of North America, it would appear that editors have reasonable differences of opinion regarding transwiki'ing of flag galleries to Commons; this would argue against proceeding to move all of them over and replace them with links, as there isn't consensus that this is what's best for Wikipedia, wouldn't it? Thanks. --ScottMainwaring (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Criteria A5: "Transwikied articles. Any article that either consists only of a dictionary definition, has already been transwikied (e.g., to Wiktionary or Wikisource), or has been discussed at Articles for deletion with an outcome to move it to another wiki, after it has been properly moved and the author information recorded." The first part already occurred with the Gallery of astronomical flags, so it can be speedied. Plus, transwiki was also the outcome of AFD on galleries of flags be design (not by region). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
"Plus, transwiki was also the outcome of AFD on galleries of flags be design (not by region)." Where is the evidence of a consensus on this? Or is this just your personal opinion? --ScottMainwaring (talk) 08:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
In previous AFD's that occurred during early to mid 2007. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Image:Civilwar rib.png

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Hennessey, Patrick (talk) 01:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

It's at the Commons now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Collection Simple Plus Cover.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Collection Simple Plus Cover.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Only resized the image. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Noble Woods Park

Your summary for this edit on Noble Woods Park says Removing image using an automated process, see my talk page if you have any questions or concerns. How about saying why the edit is being made and what is being done? The automated process information doesn't matter so much. —EncMstr 04:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

And I will tell you why now. I removed the logo from the infobox, because of fair use issues. We can say the park is in that city without having to show the logo of the city. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Excellent reasons. The edit summary would be a great place for that in the future: removing improperly used fair use image —EncMstr 04:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a lot of times when I am using that script, I am not removing a fair use image, but I am removing an image so I can either delete it for being on the Commons or a copyright violation. So I have to use that standard summary and welcome you and others to come on my talk page to hear the full reason. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Image deletion: BLP concern

Please see my comments on your concern. In this case the image was wanted by the person, and not a threat at all. Shenme (talk) 06:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw it, I didn't have anything else to say other than OK, so I left it alone. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Berloz image

Hello

Thanks for your comment.

Under British Law (our site is registred in Britain) our picture is not in public domain. We have paid a high fee to the publishers to reproduce it on our site, and hold the copyright for the elctronic version on our site. If people wish to have our electronic image they have to contact us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HasHasBoomBoom (talk • contribs) 21:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

This website is under US law, and the image is of a Frenchman. We do not have to contact your website for use of the images, since they are public domain under the relevant laws of the US and France. Since the UK and France have the same copyright laws, it is also public domain. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello again.

When in 1997 we set up our academic site on Berlioz we sought legal advice regarding our intellectual property rights over the content of the site and their protection from abuse, as we have always done for our print books and articles.

Following our lawyer’s advice regarding our rights in UK and international laws, we put the following notice on the home page and all other major pages of our site and a shorter version on all other pages:

Copyright notice: The texts, photos, images and musical scores on all pages of this site are covered by UK Law and International Law. All rights of publication or reproduction of this material in any form, including Web page use, are reserved. Their use without our explicit permission is illegal.

Over the years individuals, institutions and websites from around the world have respected our rights and have contacted us to seek permission to use some of our materials.

It is in the spirit of cooperation and internet citizenship that I am writing this. All I am asking you is to respect our copyright for the electronic image for which we have paid and do not treat it as a public domain item. Please tell your readers to contact us if they want to reproduce it, we would be very happy to oblige on condition of acknowledgement of the source. It's mutual respect and understanding that I am asking for.

We will still credit the URL source, as required with all images regardless of their copyright status. However, these items are public domain and they will remain on our website as such. Our concern is only the public domain status in the United States and France, where Berlioz is a citizen of. They are public domain there, so we can host the images on our website under that status. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments.

I have enjoyed my discussions with you and your colleagues. By the way, someone had removed the link to our site as the source of the image and replaced it with a different URL. I have now reinstated the oriiginal link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.168.225.209 (talk) 17:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Zscout370 Who is this person who keeps replacing the original link to our site for this image with his own URL? This is a dishonest act and should be stopped. Could you please do something about it.

Thank you.

Deleted images of my team's photos

Why did you delete these images of my photos taken by my team. They are Image:Julian Schnabel.jpg, Image:Alan Arkin.jpg, Image:Saoirse Ronan.jpg and Image:Julie Christie.jpg. Actually I sent them to take any photos of the celebs there at any major awards that take place in 2008.

Can you please reupload those images. Thank you.

From User:Red Carpet 2008, If anybody wants to talk to me 14:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I am not restoring them. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... looking at "Red Carpet"'s contribs, you might want to delete his/their other uploads and ban the account as a role account. Just a suggestion. (I'd do it myself, but I'm laying low for a while). --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 01:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Gustafson (talk • contribs)
I looked for other copyvios, I haven't found anything yet. I'm still looking. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to Template:CF Infobox

Hi. Just curious why you reverted the Canadian Air Command badge back to the CF roundel given the fact that the symbols shown for the other two branches of the Canadian Forces are also badges. The roundel is not the badge of the Air Command; it's just an identifying symbol used on aircraft.BC (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use issues. I been told fair use images are not allowed in the template space, so I decided to put a free symbol that will still represent the RCAF fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Constitution of Belarus

Constitution of Belarus has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. ProhibitOnions (T) 10:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ilkhanate Flag

did you remove the Ilkhanate flag, and if so, why? Rcduggan (talk) 20:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I did and because of sourcing and licensing issues. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What issues were there? Rcduggan (talk) 23:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The source was mentioned, but the license was lied about. The uploader of the graphic was not the creator of the image and had no right to give it a free license. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

your edits re: Japan's recognition of Kosovo

Hi there. You moved Japan from the going-to-recognize table to neutral or ambiguous states table, but, pray tell, on what grounds? Just read the Forbes article [8]. Does this sound like a neutral stance? And I don't understand the edit description about the press having put Japan in the "pro-recognition" column. The press reports what the government says or leaks, as it didin this case. Japan is light blue (indending to recognize), and your displacing it to the rank of undecideds distorts the issue and throws a monkey wrench in the works. Best wishes, --Mareklug talk 00:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC) P.s. You claim to be able to handle some Japanese; if you read kanji, you may wish to scan somne Japanese press on the subject.

I been keeping watch at the websites of the Japanese MOFA and Prime Minister, ditto with the Japanese papers. I have not heard much debate about Kosovo recently, so early reports from the wire services I don't give much credence too now. I have seen reports that Japan has said no, then another report today from the Russian Foreign Minister that Japan already recognized. I personally do feel they intend to maybe recognize, but I have not seen anything new. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal RE: User:Mikkalai's vow of silence

You are a previous participant in the discussion at WP:AN/I about User:Mikkalai's vow of silence. This is to inform you, that I have made a proposal for resolution for the issue. I am informing all of the users who participated, so this is not an attempt to WP:CANVAS support for any particular position.

The proposal can be found at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed resolution (Mikkalai vow of silence) Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 01:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Challenger_memorial_Little_Tokyo.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Challenger_memorial_Little_Tokyo.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 15:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection of Leonardo Domenici

Is it really necessary? The article is current news; bound to be updated like mad in the next little while. Pre-emptive full protection seems a bit too much for me. Thoughts? Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 23:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The article is fully protected on it.wikipedia, and given we are the largest wikipedia, a little preventative medicine will solve any problems. Plus, I don't trust auto-confirmed if the wait time is only a day or two. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter

The March 2008 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is ready! Dr. Cash (talk) 06:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Flag Dude

I created Flag Dude a long time ago and at one point I forgot the password. I just started editing with my current account. Also, is there a way to take ALL THE FREAKIN' WORK I DID PUTTING ON MORE THAN 50 KILOBYTES OF FLAGS!!!!: to a Commons page? If so, tell me. Tascha96|Talk 13:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, why didn't you say so. Anyways, what I can do for you is one of two things. First, I can move everything to your new userpage now. I will have to create a subpage. As for moving the work to the Commons, I need to copy the code from the last edit, then move it there. What title do you suggest? I am an sysop at the Commons too, so I can easily do everything. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
As for the Commons title, I think Flag Dude again would be good. D YOU need the code from the last edit? If so, I'm not sure how to get the code. If not, will....that's good then. THANKS A LOT!!!!!!!!! User:Tascha96 Talk 13:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't need the code, I can access it thru deleted edits. Plus, the code here works at the Commons. I will do it once I get home around 9-ish PST. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, great. I also live in the PST area, so I won't be able to work on it until tomorrow. User:Tascha96|User talk:Tascha96 13:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
See User:Tascha96/Flag Dude. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


Encyclopedia Dramatica article deletion

The article was previously deleted under consensus for being poorly sourced. It has been several months, and the version you deleted had 2 television news sources, several newspapers, and print magazines. Please restore it so it may be put up for AfD vote. Thank you. --Truthseeq (talk) 08:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Also please note it has been around a year since the last AfD. --Truthseeq (talk) 08:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I am going to let ArbCom sort this out. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Can the original stub go back up before then? So that non-administrators viewing the arbchat discussion will have some perspective? Thank you. --Truthseeq (talk) 08:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
        • No. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
          • Why not? Can't we be civil and follow deletion policy on this? --Truthseeq (talk) 09:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
            • I am being civil with you. The article has been deleted in 2006 and stayed dead since. It was remade because another sysop remade it, not knowing about the previous issues with the article. All attempts at an DRV in the past have failed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
              • 2006 is two years ago. It was deleted for non-notability. The previous incarnations were obviously worthy of deletion. This one was meticulously well-sourced. Please be civil, restore the stub and set an AfD. --Truthseeq (talk) 09:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent DRV filed, failed again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hank Worden photo

I took the photo of Hank Worden which you deleted, and I authorized its usage in the Commons. It may have shown up on Ebay at some time, but it's my photo and its use on WP is authorized. Can you replace it? I'd rather not go to the trouble, having once already done so. If not, I will. Jim Beaver —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.243.170 (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Then scan the original you have. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
May I ask why I have to do the work when you undid work I'd already done? A scan is a scan, is it not? I'll do it (putting a new copy into Commons) if I must, but I find it quite tedious, especially having already done it once. Jim Beaver —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.243.170 (talk) 08:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Because we have a lot of people taking images from eBay and claiming it as their own. We remove those all of the time. Plus, if you have the original image that is large, not only it will rid of the watermark from eBay, but it proves to me that you are the real owner. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
There's an Ebay watermark? Okay, something's weird here. What I posted to Commons was not from Ebay, it was from my personal collection. I was Hank's roommate for four years and have lots of personal photos. I'll scan something good and post it to Commons. That will end the controversy (I hope). I'm not sure how something with an Ebay watermark got on there. Jim Beaver —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.243.170 (talk) 08:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I am an administrator at the Commons, so I will check it out and see what happened. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I checked the Commons and the image wasn't there at all. Was it there as another name over there? The Commons and Wikipedia are two entirely different projects. Anyways, what I mean by an eBay watermark is if you looked at the image at the bottom right corner, there was a small mark that was placed there. That mark is commonly seen on photos at eBay. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Perverted Justice screenshot-5-18-2005.jpg

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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:OSCE logo.jpg

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Michxel

I suggest you look at User:Michxel. He's doing many a bizarre page move... He seems to be creating a nonsense article, then redirects it to another and then another. -WarthogDemon 05:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

revert war on Commons is f-up content on Wikipedia -- flag of SADR/Polisaria vs. Western Sahara

Help. As a Commons admin and Wikipedia user you are in a position to restore order here. Presently, I discovered that it's impossible to find the SADR flag on Wikipedia where you expect it, including in the infobox where it continues to be described yet the picture over the description is the UN flag. Yes, everywhere on the Wikipedia, the SADR flag has been replaced by the UN flag, perhaps as an unwitting consequence of other Commons renames, now subject to edit warring of uploads.

I am agnostic as to which flag belongs in the infobox of Western Sahara, if any, but I am vehemently opposed to a state of Wikipedia, where graphical content is blatantly misrepresenting what it's supposed to be depicting according to accompanying text.

Flag of SADR.svg or something along those lines should exist on Commons independently of Flag of Western Sahara.svg -- which would save us from idiotic outcomes... The revert war is in the upload of the Flag of Western Sahara.svg. I noticed it because mysteriously the UN flag appeared in teh Kosovo international reaction article in place of the Polisario flag in the table. That's not right -- we are describing what SADR people said, not what some UN-flagged entity has said. Please fix it if you can. --Mareklug talk 16:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It has been like this for a while now. Even on the Commons, people are screwing around with the files. I am going to look at this now and see what is going on. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Flag was back to the correct version and locked by me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


College Logo

What's the deal with not allowing college logos on user badges (like {{User Gustavus}})? I can understand not using a corporate logo (i.e. someone who makes money from their brands), but colleges and universities have no financial ramifications either way from logo use on a webpage (i.e. colleges make their money from donors and students paying to go there). Don't know about anyone else, but my college's financial windfalls from all things with their logo was so small as to be ridiculous anyway (I'm guessing it is the same most places, else the college would be out of business, or fraudulent). If you don't mind, I'd like to see Wikipedia's written policy on this - having the logos would indeed spruce up those templates. From where I sit, seems like that would fall under the fair use stuff that governs other images (oh, and one more note - I consider the template to be one document, regardless of the number of users who attach it to their pages; kind of like a magazine being one volume/issue per time period, regardless of readership). Nickersonl (talk) 19:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Here is our written policy. Pretty much fair use images can only be used in articles and if found everywhere else, we will remove them. Userpages do not have exceptions. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Point 9 is the specific mention on location of the images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Previous closure at DRV

Pay attention dude! The other MFD was closed with exactly the same rationale as I had provided. This MFD is very much more a no-brainer. Could you please not re-open disruptive MFD's? Thank you VERY much. --Kim Bruning (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Given the user we are dealing with, it might be a good idea to keep it open. The last one occurred months ago, so mind as well let it serve out it's course. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
To document our earlier discussion: This would probably set enough of a precedent to kill the MFD prerequisites section. That would be bad, since that was initially negotiated as part of MFD. You are essentially allowing an impromptu policy/project vote on MFD, with the additional risk that (historic) documentation becomes lost. This had already been demonstrated to be a Very Bad Thing on VFD, long long ago.
You proposed to at least let the MFD run for a few hours? I still don't entirely understand the reasoning, but alright, as I don't want to edit- or wheel-war. How do you propose we proceed after that? --Kim Bruning (talk) 04:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to talk, btw :-) I don't think zenwhat would be too angry at you. He's not crazy, just... he tries to speedread too much. ^^;; --Kim Bruning (talk) 04:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It's no big deal. I don't think it will kill the section or the rule. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Everyone appears to be ignoring it wholesale (including you ^^;; ). Which means it has effectively become a dead letter. I normally don't mind, because it's a healthy sign of consensus changing, but in this case, it's veering off towards a cliff, basically. Oops. --Kim Bruning (talk) 04:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
(ec) Do we have binding precedents here? I thought that for the most part, xFD operated under rules kinda like Article 59 of the ICJ statute. Anyhoo, I've seen a lot of lame MFD nominations these days. Maybe we should start voting speedy keep for that kind of stuff? Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 04:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Your call. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, are we pretty much allowed to vote however we want, or will I be considered an ass if I vote outside of the realm of what policy/guidelines would suggest? Can't people get blocked for trolling for doing that? Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 05:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Technically, No. Only if your opinions are also outside the realm of aiding the encyclopedia. It's a bit of a judgment call, though. --Kim Bruning (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Expanding on that: If you actually manage to convince/persuade others and form a consensus, anything goes. But the difficulty of doing so can vary widely. What works in one place might fail elsewhere. It takes a bit of "getting a feel for it". I've been here for a couple of years, but still occasionally blow a call. --Kim Bruning (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It's has been closed by another user, so all of this is moot. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Hah! Fully vindicated yet again! Twice in so many days! \o/
Oh hmm... well yes. Except for the part where you reverted me to keep the MFD open. That's still sort of setting a 'precedent'-ish ... <scratches head> :-/ --Kim Bruning (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

"Precedents" are irrelevant. If any user thinks something is a good idea, they can do it. If any user thinks something is a bad idea, they can undo it. If they disagree, they discuss it. If they'd like to edit-war, canvass, or otherwise attempt to push their edit through by force, they can do that too if they like, although they will probably be blocked unless they're well-respected administrators.

The ability to arbitrarily close an MfD early or not isn't important, because it depends on how it's done. It can be done by users attempting to shut down MfD's they're worried will be successful. It can also be used to shut down inappropriate MfDs, which may lead to silly flamewars.

There is no intrinsic authority here with particular actions or particular users. It depends on what they're doing and why. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 15:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Late reply re Obuibo Mbstpo and binding precedents. Wikipedia does not have binding precedents. However, consensus does shift around, and you can often "read" what the consensus is or is changing to before it actually gets written down, with a little experience. By ignoring a rule and reverting me, Zscout could be read to be shifting consensus. --Kim Bruning (talk) 17:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I objected also to closing the MfD early. I've been aware of that page for some time, and always intended to try to do something about it--I think its a standing invitation to spam and to violations of NPOV. I would like to try to shift consensus on this one, & would appreciate the chance to argue it. I dont expect to win the argument this time, but I want the opportunity to try to persuade people, for it may bear fruit in the future. Dont assume that because one person introduces an XfD, and is prepared to edit war over it, that there is nobody who will support it in good faith and -- possibly--even for good reasons. How can anyone assume that the MfD nominator would necessarily stand alone? I dont want to revert the close yet again, of course, I think it will be better to go to Deletion Review, unless one of the people who closed it is prepared to revert their own closure. As a general rule, premature closes of matters where there is either some real disagreement of some doubts about the motivation of behavior (justified or unjustified) produce less drama if they are simply let run. As you should all see by now, that's the case this time. Among the virtues of following procedure is that it avoids complaints that you didn't. DGG (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I've finally discovered that "there" is "here". Argh!
Closing the MFD early is correct, see also the discussion at User talk:Kaiba#talk_board.
If you have issues with the reward board, discuss those issues on the talk page, and attempt to apply a {{historical}} to the page.
The MFD should not go to DRV, as the MFD was closed correctly, as per procedure.
The closing was not premature.
I agree about the virtues of following procedure. The correct procedure for an MFD on policy/guideline/essay/project/deletion pages is to close the MFD and warn or block the person submitting such an MFD.

Why?

Why is the correct procedure to close the MFD? Because it is not permitted to nominate those pages for deletion. And why is that? Well, if you don't, you get all kinds of wonderful mind bending recursions, loops, and catch-22 situations in the policy and deletion system. Have you ever had to enforce a policy for which the policy page was deleted, for instance? I have, and had to get a steward to back me up! %-(
To prevent such crazy things from happening, (among other things) VFD was split into AFD and MFD. MFD could then more easily be patrolled for potentially insane situations. (And trust me, they get to the insane drama stage very quickly if you leave them be).
If you don't accept the insanity approach, perhaps you may accept the hypocrisy angle. Why do you suggest that we should keep open a consensus discussion, that is discussing the deletion of a consensus discussion (the talk page and history page of any of the above classes of page can be said to count as a consensus discussion on policy). No matter which way you choose argue your reply, you're likely to get tied up in your own arguments.
If you don't accept the insanity or the hypocrisy arguments, we can try the argumentum ad absurdum. Imagine trying to delete a deletion discussion (for the ultimate in twisty situations). This really happened, and then there were deletion of deletion of deletion discussions, and drvs of deletion of drv discussions, etc. You can recurse infinitely, and certain very silly bureaucratic type persons actually tried to follow that approach. They ultimately lost, because anyone with common sense saw what was going on (hundreds and hundreds of comments about essentially hot air).
"Fortunately", the deletion of a project "only" goes to a depth of 3. You discuss(1) the reopening of the closed discussion(2) about the policy discussion(3). Well, unless the project lists notability criteria or other things related to deletion. Then the fun can begin... ;-)
If the depth and breadth of the stupidity of opening MFD discussions on policy/guidelines/essays/projects/deletions is not yet fully documented, we shall have to document it fully. Don't you agree?
In the mean time, follow procedure, go to the reward board talk page, and try to discuss marking it {{historical}} there.
--Kim Bruning (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC) I reserve the right to expand on this topic even further! :-P
There are more people wanting this to stay open than wanting to close it, so I am going to reopen this again. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
As you are ignoring all rules, (including WP:MFD and wikipedia is not a majority-based democracy), I would like to request (further) rationale from you, if you have any to provide, as per WP:WIARM. --Kim Bruning (talk) 18:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

As I told you already, there are many people who do not agree with your close. As an non-admin, I have the ability under WP:DPR#NAC to reopen any discussion closed by a non-admin. 2 admins and at least 3 other users wanted the discussion to continue, only you want the close it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No. It is policy to close it. I want to close it because I agree with the policy (I was there when it was formed). The policy represents earlier consensus among many Wikipedians. Consensus is often a compromise. The compromise was reached to allow the deletion of misc items. But we are not policy wonks. If people no longer agree with the compromise, they can simply renegotiate it. I am now asking you why you are ignoring this policy, do you indeed wish to alter it? If so, is the above your entire reasoning? --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I went to the MFD page, all I saw there was "maybe" "could be" so there is nothing set in stone over there. However, I am happy with the MFD running now, it should be done by Thursday or so. My reasoning above is it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
So on the one hand you're (sorry, being frank ^^;;) an admin violating policy, and on the other you're let off by a technicality in wording. Not good. --Kim Bruning (talk) 20:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Nominating a Wikipedia policy or guideline page, or one of the deletion discussion areas (or their sub-pages), for deletion will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy.

Note that the reward board is essentially similar in nature to the above, and similar reasoning applies. (Also, the same reasoning applies here as for esperanza and ama)

The "probably" looks like my writing. I'll just reword and tighten. --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Done: please comment on my recent edits to MFD policy. As your current actions actually work in the entirely opposite direction, you may wish to remove that section entirely. --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Miscellany_for_deletion#Hardening_the_language <-Discussion here. --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright. We had a bit of a chat and a cooldown. In this case the situation is/was terribly unfair on you, as you're caught in the middle. :-/ Have fun editing in mainspace. :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 03:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

agreed about that last point, and apologies for using your page as a boxing ring. DGG (talk) 04:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Why this outing of anybody?

Please if we could refrain from personal details, like this one. People from former "East" block are especially careful about such things. Even frightened. Please do not do this any more. I taught we were coleagues. We do not have to go this way.

Also such harsh criticism that I do not deserve. Especially for the issue of the Irish CoA. I just offered help and proven a point. Such details should be included, even if strings remain white.

Imbris (talk) 22:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing was outed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I would rather if you should delete that part which is obvious informing of the general public about certain information that - not a lot of people know how to get - it is up to every single user to become so smart to search for such info. There should not be any help with it. -- Imbris (talk) 23:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't even use special tools at all, I just said Commons user X does this a lot. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot activity

I was going over the list of bots and noticed that Zbot370 (talk · contribs) has not edited in a very long time. Is this bot still active and if not, would you object to it being de-flagged? Please post your comments to Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval#Dead_bots since this is a rather widely-posted message. MBisanz talk 06:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Responded. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Graph

Would you or be able to update this [9] graph with the 2008 figure (2008 population was 142,000,000 million)? Thanks.--Miyokan (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Provide me with a source and it can be done. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
"According to preliminary estimates, the resident population of the Russian Federation on 1 January 2008 was 142 million people"
Source: Federal State Statistics Service [10]--Miyokan (talk) 08:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Per our discussion on IRC

  • Peer review for Homerun (film): I am the primary contributor to this article and am aiming for GA status; I do not intend to take this article through the endless nitpicking and incivility that is FAC. This article has already received two reviews; you may wish to do the other one first.
  • Peer review for Flag of Singapore: The primary contributor, Jacklee has not edited the article recently. Although I am currently aiming for GA status, this article is a potential National Day Main Page FA, so review with FAC in mind.

When you have the time, please read the articles and post your feedback at the peer reviews. Thanks.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 15:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm a bit frazzled from some RL stuff. Hope I didn't come across as angry at you. Heimstern? Yes. You and MB? No. I have no idea why Heimstern was trying to get the image deleted. Would you mind removing the tag now, as the "issues" have been resolved? Bellwether BC 05:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Already beat you to it. I pulled Heimstern aside and analyzed the image with him and just explored all options. You had it going right in the article, but as a person who deals with fair use all of the time, I expect to see more. But I don't mind editing either. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Bellwether, I think I said a few times that I was trying to get the image deleted because it was non-compliant with our fair-use policy. Now that it is, there's no reason to delete it.
Zscout, thanks for the help. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


Fair use rationale for Image:Rothe Gertrud.jpg

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MfD nomination of User:Zscout370/Botoptout

User:Zscout370/Botoptout, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Zscout370/Botoptout and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Zscout370/Botoptout during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I wish you spoke to me first and I would have clarified everything for you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully it is all sorted out now. I'd like to thank you personally for carrying out the move. That really does help and is in stark contrast to how the differences over User:BetacommandBot/Opt-out have been handled. :-( Carcharoth (talk) 00:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyone could have done the move, I gave them authorization at the MFD. But I guess events changed when I went outside. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Logo licensing

I know a coupe years back we re-tagged all logos as non-free. How should an image like Image:PC flag.png be tagged? Its a logo, but its obviously free as a non-copyrightable shape. So it should have the logo license, but not a non-free cat inclusion. Any ideas. MBisanz talk 06:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I am lost for ideas at a moment, but if the image gets deleted, I will restore it and send it to the Commons. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as I can stop it from being deleted, I have by adding a FUR tag. But I do wonder if the idea of having a single Logo license is a good idea. Maybe a non-free and a free license on the upload page? MBisanz talk 06:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I know there is a way to mark this kind of image on the Commons, since they keep German logos that are simple in design (at the behest of de.wikipedia) so I suggest asking them for advice. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Was at a meetup and ran into a dev and asked about this. He said our best bet is to create a Cat:Free Logos with corresponding license on the upload page. Seems the rename to Nonfree Logos should've included the creation of a Free Logos cat. I'll get on it later this week. MBisanz talk 07:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
That works for me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
O look, we already have something like that Template:PD-textlogo. MBisanz talk 03:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Req of clarification

Hi Zscout. Thanks for the involvement in History of Lithuania. It is always interesting to see new editor on this page. However I would like to speak about different event involving your sysop rights again. Speaking particularly about user:Piotrus unblock and motives to do so, as stated in unblocking by you: I looked at the diffs, both parties are guilty and he was also dealing with IP edits and possible vandalism. Just work it out. I am the person who filled the complain, due to persistent edit warring of particular contributor (involving multiply pages), which is lasting for great time now. Therefore I feel responsible and if my report was somehow improper it should be corrected. Plus per whole my participation in this project I did not witnessed such rationale. Due to these reasons I would like to ask these questions:

c) There was placed user: TigerShark contest of the block. There is no, nor on user’s in question talk page, nor 3RR original board, nor on WP:AN, WP:ANI .
b) did another administrator was consulted before you took such action.
c) There exactly 3RR policy suggests that there is made an exclusion from the rule due to “dealing with IP edits”
d) Which exact IP account’s (is it IP 62.212.208.65 ? ) contribs you identified as “possible vandalism”. If it is **.***.208.65, I reviewed those contribs and there is nothing which could imply involvement of vandalism.

I hope you will produce an answers to my specific questions, due to the reasons presented above. Best, M.K. (talk) 10:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

3RR is always discretionary, so what one admin thinks violates 3RR another might not think. Piotrus, just like any other user, has more than one way to seek admin help in dealing with the unblock. Not only he has his talk page, but also email and IRC. He chose the third option, where he discussed with me the problem and asked if I or other admins can look at it. I did look at it and I personally feel that an IP address started all of this, then got a new account so it could avoid 3RR. So that was my justification for the unblock. As for who the IP address belongs do, I do not have the ability to check that, and checkusers who can decided not to run a checkuser due to possible violations of EU law. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 14:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi thanks for the reply. Your replay is a bit puzzle for me. Especially part that an IP address started all of this, then got a new account so it could avoid 3RR., I just looking into RCR article history and can see only one IP adress the same one consistently [11]. There do you found that it got new account? M.K. (talk) 14:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
That I don't know, since I do not have checkuser ability. If you read above, it will state why a checkuser wasn't done. But if I can be frank, this is an issue that happens a lot on Eastern European articles (I work on Belarusian articles) so I know the possible gaming tactics. Anyways, I have strongly warned and cautioned Piotrus to just sit down and start discussing. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I see, now things going a bit clearer to me. And I am saddened because he violated 3RR and you shouldnt have overturned it by yourself, because this at least required some discussion at the public board, not some back-stage tinkering. I am not in any case arguing to reinstate the block now of course and I am not a supporter of excessive blocking. I now am primarily concerned about openness of the process being violated and not about keeping Piotrus blocked. Too bad he pulled you into this back stage affair. M.K. (talk) 11:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Any block, including 3RR, can be overturned using non-public methods. That is always an option available to all users, not just admins. We have a unblock mailing list endorsed by the Foundation, so it's more common than what you think. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for answer delay. Last question, I hope. Am I understand you correctly, you recieved a request through Unblock-en-l -- Unblock requests? All the best, M.K. (talk) 12:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I mentioned he chose IRC, which is also allowed. I do not subscribe to the unblock mailing list. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

IRC unblock

I am not involved in the article in question and, additionally, I never tried to get Piotrus blocked (despite lack of reciprocity in this matter). So, I will provide an opinion exclusively based on what I see.

I would not have submitted the 3RR report on Piotrus, but the existing 3RR report was an onwiki rationale of the block. This rationale may be faulty, and I have no opinion whether it is, but it is important that the blocking rationale is onwiki.

There is a glaring lack of an unblocking rationale onwiki. IRC is simply not valid for any wiki action. Blocking or unblocking. All the rationales must be onwiki. (OTRS, RFCU and other few matters excepted.)

Piotrus did not just "choose" IRC (as you said above.) He contacted you individually via IRC PM. The choice is peculiar since both you and Piotrus have an excellent history of interaction onwiki (nothing wrong with that) and it is known that you are a kind of guy who does not like to withhold a favor. This request, however, was improper. You were duped here, Zscout, and you were being drawn into acting without on-wiki discussion.

I am sure that in no time you will be contacted (again off-line) on this matter and "discussion" of this conversation will take place elsewhere. This is rather sad, but it's a wiki-reality that some prefer to act in a way that they cannot be seen. It is up to you whether or not to engage into such discussion of course, but just be cautious when anyone (myself included) asks you to take any action onwiki and uses IRC or email rather than wiki for that. It may be innocent, but you may be being played. And please don't forget to justify wiki-actions onwiki every time.

Cheers, --Irpen 22:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

He asked in a general channel to all admins, then those willing to take on the case were sent PM's. As for noting everything, I answered all questions typed by MK. But as for discussion off-wiki, it happens all of the time, especially with unblocks. Asking for unblocks on IRC is not only comment, but frankly welcomed. I remember booting users from #wikipedia in the past asking for unblocks, but it got to a point where other channel ops were telling me to knock it off. Given the new block options, such as email, and other administrators have no email addresses set up, IRC and the mailing list are people's only chances to get unblocked. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
How he asked does not matter. What happened off-wiki does not matter. What happened (or did not happen) on wiki does. Sorry that you have been played :(. Please avoid acting onwiki based on purely off-wiki reasoning. Even if asked by me :). --Irpen 08:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

re:ANI

Eh-hem. A little umbrage here on my part from your ANI remark. I'm sure it was not personal, but still, AGF and all. I've made thousands of edits here, four GAs, one FA, etc. To have even the suggestion of a block below my name for six photos that may or may not be improperly tagged out of one hundred to a brand new user, is disheartening. MrPrada (talk) 07:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Until there is a way to restrict uploads only, the only real way that people who upload images with copyright issues is blocking. What I would suggest is to stop uploading any new images and fix the ones that are presently on Wikipedia. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, we are talking about 7 improperly tagged images out of 105, two of which I located on flickr and were marked as "Some rights reserved", and one which I replaced for another user who did not tag it properly to begin with. That may have been BS on the uploaders part, I do not know yet, however I fail to see how that would warrant a block. In any case, I will work to replace the other ones with free images. MrPrada (talk) 07:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
As I said before, the only way to prevent uploads is to block the account. Just like the only way to stop one user from doing moves is to block the account. We been mandated before to block users who simply refuse to follow the image policy or fix problem images. In your case, you will not be blocked at all. You realize what is going on and you seek to make corrections and changes. This is what we want to do with all users. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Unblock of Poitrus

This matter has been brought up at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Piotrus_incident:_policy_corrections_needed_either_way. I should be grateful if you would comment there on both your reasons why you agreed the unblock following a request at #admins - rather than via the unblock request option available to all blocked editors - and why you didn't clarify your reasons for unblocking when doing so. I am most concerned that it appears a sysop used avenues not available for the majority of blocked accounts to contest and reverse the block, regardless of whether the block was appropriate or not. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I posted there already twice and much of the discussion linked at the section is occurring a few headings up. Anyways, we been asked before in #admins to review blocks and unblocks. Even without admins asking for unblocks, it happens all of the time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I've taken a look at the Lithuania matter that has recently been discussed, since some users have expressed concern over what went on. link. Thanks, and let me know if anything's in need of correction! FT2 (Talk | email) 09:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll see you in about 14 hours or so. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 13:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry that the unblock has caused you so much trouble. Too many users love to wikilawyer, it seems, instead of think what is best for this project. In any case, I hope you'll feel better after I tell you that your quick action allowed me to create this DYK, which otherwise would be significantly delayed (as right there, right then, I had access to sources from library and databases which would have been much more difficult to access elsewhere).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

During that 14 or so hours (more like 11), I took a trip here with the significant other, had ramen for lunch and spent time with pals. I just needed to get away from here. I will try and do that more often. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Constitution of Belarus

I completed an initial copyedit of this article, but I will be going through it again. There were some sticky spots that required a lot of rewording so I'm certain I've overlooked other minor issues. At any rate, you might remove it from the LoCE page eventually. It looks like that have quite a backlog. --Laser brain (talk) 05:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks for your help. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
By the way, I dug up three new sources that I don't think you used. I pasted the full text of the articles to User:Laser brain/Belarus. --Laser brain (talk) 04:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I take that back - I shouldn't post full-text articles anywhere here. I will e-mail you the sources if you are interested. --Laser brain (talk) 04:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Email is fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Tocino, Tibet, Russia, undescribed, unreasonable reverts, Brazil -- all at the international reaction to Kosovo article

I am at my wits end. Did you look at what User:Tocino is doing? The Russian minister's statements entered as an entry for Free Tibet? Every entity in the article's tables speaks for itself, except in the case of Tibet, where Tocino makes it into a satellite entry for Russia's foreign minister!

Also. The Brazil entry has been blatantly misrepresented on the basis of a Portuguese-language source. In a nutshell, FA Minister was attributed quotes which he never made, and all that, in the context fo a Ministry press release, which does not quote him! I fixed it, used the correct sources, translated the relevant bits from Portuguese correctly and left the entry in good shape. Before then, I documented the problem ont he talk page and provided a link to the relevant press release. But Tocino keeps reverting this because the Portuguese title of the websource states Portugal does not recognize Kosovo without Serbia's consent. That's completely unreasonable. Not only that, doing his reverts he throws away all the other work that wen into putting fixes elsewhere.

This is extremely disruptive.

My leaving a stub "Silence. they said nothing" type entry for Tibet was part of moving the Russian stuff back under Russia. I was the one who put the [citation needed] there, to buy time...

I don't know what to do. I feel I'm being dicked with. --Mareklug talk 04:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I am an admin, I am keeping watch. Other admins are keeping their eye on the article and I will call more in when needed. Just relax, I will get everything under control. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Please be aware of this development: On Commons, User:Avala whose block ABF without notice shortened to a day while extending mine to 5 days, promptly reverted User:Patstuart's justified resetting Image:Kosovo_relations.svg. This is just continuation of revert wars, especially since there's no reason to believe Patstuart acted for any other reason than to improve content. Furthermore, in the talk section, Avala justifies his actions by pointing to your revert on English Wikipedia immeidately before page protection. It is my understanding, that you did this only to preserve evidence, to keep it unobscured, and not for any other reason, and in any event, taking sides on "the Wrong Version" and adjusting it before reverting would be a gross violation of admin responsibilities. But Avala, who is an admin on Serbian Wikipedia and obviously knows this, is claiming that your revert shows that present content of International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence validates the merit of current page content. And then proceeds to use it to justify his revert of Patstuart's editon. Since I am blocked and Avala isn't, I can't even voice a comment in this matter. (ABF did not even deign to inform me, that he extended my block.)
I remind you, that the page continues to contain a fabricated quote under Brazil, which continues to be used to justify Commons content, despite debunking documented by me and a Portuguese user/admin's translation of the crucial sentence, omitted by Avala from the source. Also, in his source/evidence posted on the Commons talk page, he obscure that Libya continues to be sourced to Serbian Foreign Affairs Ministry, by using and only annotating the source link to the clearinghouse of diplomatic traffic, diplomacymonitor. That action alone is unethical. I drew attention to both of these, and they have been ignored, not rebutted.
Avala also refered to edits as Commons uploads as malicious, meaning my edits. This is completely unreasonable and maligns me without basis, and is harmful to my reputation. I am editing in good faith, and to document the most NPOV, accurate and precise accounting. Incidentally, I was not given any notice or allowed to make my case, before ABF adjusted the symmetrically imposed blocks for edit warring. He has not reated to my polite mail. I don't think I am being treated fairly or impartially, and this is expecially galling, since my objections on the merit of things are going unaddressed, but they are evident (Patstuart reverting to my version is one piece of evidence; Husmond's trnaslation of Brazil fragment another; Serbian sourcing for Libya another; ignoring Slovakia's self-imposed 4-month period of evaluating its formal decision, another. Basing coloring of Uruguay on anonimous hearsay, yet another. Et cetera.) --Mareklug talk 23:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I am an admin on the Commons and I have been keeping some watch on the images. Honestly, we tried to lock the images before but the Commons admins keep on saying no, no, no and just block every user. That wasn't the approach I took here; I wanted to lock the article to get yall talking on here, but it seems to be not working. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 10:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect, you just messed up on reference fixing -- the ref marked "Slovakia" (capitalized) and the one marked "slovakiaref" are not the same sources. If you had used the cite news template I prepared for you, you would have used the correct reference. This reference was used before, but that text was removed by yet another user who was in good-faith streamlinging this overlong entry at the time, whifch is the reason it's broken, not as a typo harking to the reference named "Slovakia". If you read the references themselves you will see this readily. --Mareklug talk 01:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 10:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The only problem on the international reaction page is that we have a few very anti-Kosovo/pro-Serbian users who have made it their mission in life to cause as much disruption as possible. Can we deal more with that instead of locking the page? Canadian Bobby (talk) 17:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm unlocking now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence

If you are going to protect the page from editing could you please put a pp-dispute template on it. --SJK (talk) 02:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Pahonia.svg

A tag has been placed on Image:Pahonia.svg, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Replace this image with [this one] because it's of really good quality there

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Sp.Shut (talk) 01:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I had to modify your image to show the 1991 arms image on here. I hope you don't mind. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
In what way did you modify it? The shield or what? I'd just like a better image to be shown at pages, cause the previous svg is of really dreadful quality.

Or have i misunderstood you in a way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp.Shut (talk • contribs) 18:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

What I did is I took your drawing of the knight on horseback and put it on the shield that I previous had. I also put that version as a new file name, Image:Coat of Arms of Belarus (1991).svg. I only am using this image at one article, and I hope you understand why. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Havelock news and gold star service flag SVG

Hey Zach,

I just thought you might like to know the new Wal-Mart here in Havelock is open! Its just like every other Wal-Mart you may find anywhere else. Also you have an image of the gold star variant of the Service flag here. I've seen a few decals (but not flags - they seem to be hard to find) of the gold star service flag and there is no blue outline on the star and the gold color is darker. Are you sure the SVG is correct? Have a good one, my friend. - Thanks, Hoshie 22:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey Hoshie, thanks for telling me. I am glad the government decided to let Wal-Mart in. Anyways, about the banner, I made it according to the specs issued around World War 2. Granted, I have seen the gold star banners at MCAS Cherry Point and the star is all gold. I will look it up more and fix it according, if needed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

International reaction

Mareklug and Tocino have been edit-warring today. I'm pretty sure they've broken both 3RR. As you are somewhat involved, you might not be able to enforce ARBMAC yourself, but I strongly suggest you file an AE or 3RR reports or ask another admin familiar with the area to take a look, such as Future Perfect at Sunrise or Moreschi. Regards, BalkanFever 03:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll seek other admin help. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Flag of Armenia

Hi. As this is about to be featured, may I ask that you weigh in here? Thanks. Biruitorul (talk) 23:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure can. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - I resolved the main issue (the flag's status in '89-'91) quite satisfactorily. However, I do have similar questions regarding the flag of Lithuania, so do watch that talk page over the next couple of days. Biruitorul (talk) 01:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Will do. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Image:Wa-police-shield.png

The image Wa-police-shield.png was removed by an 'automated process' from the Australian police ranks article. Care to explain why exactly? Thanks. DirectEdge (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

A fair use image being used as an icon. I feel it was decoratory to use that image, and it violates our fair use policy. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. I was confused because initially only one image of the half-dozen used was removed. DirectEdge (talk) 22:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The script I use only removes one image at a time using that standard edit summary that you quoted to me. Plus, I check each image individually. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Domobran

A little while back you unblocked Domobran (talk · contribs) with an agreement that he wouldn't upload again. It definitely looks like there's uploading still going on and still copyright/unfree issues arising. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks, Metros (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

International response to Kosovo

Thanks for the advice. At times it seems like people with a differing POV are unwelcome, nevertheless I will continue to edit, but with a cooler head. :) --Tocino 20:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind people from other POV's coming over, I need to be kept in check. As you could tell by some of my postings regarding Japan, I do like the move Japan has done with regards to Kosovo. But that is what my blog is for. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Urgent help needed!

Hey Zach, contrary to a reached consensus there is a splitting going on instead a merging: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo#Split_completed --Tubesship (talk) 04:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Republic of Kosova (KV)

Wikipedia has it wrong. The DOI (declaration of independence) calls for a democratic Republic of Kosova. Kosova2008 (talk) 04:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Then we will note the name in the article text; since you're still new here, I'll explain everything. On the English Wikipedia, we go with the most common usage for article names. In our case, most of the English world knows this place as Kosovo, long before the DOI was issued. Because of this, our article will be at Kosovo. In the text of the article, of course, we will mention the country officially calls themselves as the Republic of Kosova. I hope this explains everything. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure, but this country should be reached by typing in "Kosovo". The country is the region! --Tubesship (talk) 08:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I know, I can only do so much. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Tocino - international reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence

You've got to do something. After a pause in operations, back to disruptive reverting, and calling names (he called me a liar on the talk page, while producing evidence that I am not lying -- personal attack of worst kind). And he is reverting forcibly reasonable edits re Brazil/Prishtina, which were justified on the talk page and discussed to death, might I add, with deliberately misleading edit summaries such as "fixing spelling". --Mareklug talk

I also want to complain about Tocino, he called me the one "doing the dirty work"! --Tubesship (talk) 20:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Info Box

We have finally got a working NPOV intro done on the Kosovo article, if you have further suggestions please make them regarding the intro. I'd like to discuss the info boxes now and would appreciate your comments. Thanks. Beam (talk) 02:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

outstanding editprotect request - it's consensual and simple, but important to fix

Hi again. We have an outstanding editprotect request on International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence, a matter of correcting a date, replicated in 4 places. There's a 2-step howto with appropriate strings to replace and the new target. I feel bad about it going uncorrected, since I made the error. :) --Mareklug talk 03:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll probably won;t be able to get to it this week, I will have another admin look at it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for all the help you did for me last night. Much appreciated. Ijanderson977 (talk) 11:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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I would have done it myself, but thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi,

International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence is now locked due to disputes and those who are in a dispute are not working on it (Mareklug calls Tocino's proposal a bullshit, and Tocino calls him a troll in return).

But it stops us from adding undisputed content so please we need an update on Iran. Instead of the current Iran content (previous statements by minister and ambassador) we need this:

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stated that Iran, after considering the region's issues and conditions of the region, decided not to recognize the independence of Kosovo.[1]

Original content is: "Ahmadinejad also said that Iran had not recognized the independence of Kosovo after considering the "region's issues and conditions of the region."

Also we need this addition for India:

On March 31, Indian Ambassador to Serbia Ajay Swarup, said that "India's position on Kosovo has been and still is consistent, and that is that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of every country must be fully respected by all other countries. We have always believed in peaceful solutions, because there is no issue that cannot be resolved through consultations and dialogue."[2]

Original content is: Indian Ambassador to Serbia Ajay Swarup confirmed his country's stance on Kosovo in an interview published today. "India's position on Kosovo has been and still is consistent, and that is that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of every country must be fully respected by all other countries," Swarup told the daily Večernje Novosti. "We believed that the Kosovo issue could be resolved in a peaceful manner, by way of dialogue and consultations, and our stand has remained unchanged ever since 1999, when India upheld UN Resolution 1244, which ended the war," the ambassador continued. "We have always believed in peaceful solutions, because there is no issue that cannot be resolved through consultations and dialogue," Swarup insisted. He added that a "high level of India's support to Serbia" can be seen from the comments and articles which appeared in the Indian press following the unilateral proclamation of Kosovo's independence. Swarup also pointed out that Kosovo "can set a very dangerous precedent for similar cases around the world".

Thank you,

--Avala (talk) 23:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have asked other admins to look at this; I been away from my computer a lot due to illness and repairs. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your effort (especially due to illness) but I don't know if they will do it now. Mareklug has made a lengthy opposing post on addition of text on India and update on Iran. Why? He believes Iranian journalists did not translate the tense from Persian language to English correctly (his personal opinion, there is no Persian version to compare or anything similar) and that the ambassador of India makes statements out of courtesy and not based on real Indian position (again just his opinion disguised in a lengthy explanation). Also he thinks it's poorly paraphrased even though I posted original news content for everyone to see (based on previous experience with Mareklug where he always claimed that someone is falsifying quotes by foreign officials but never managed to point at falsified words). He did not suggest anything himself so far, just stubbornly opposed. He also tried to fool others by saying I never discussed the issue before making an edit request but I quickly proved him wrong by posting a link to another section on the same talk page from the other day where I posted news on Iran for everyone to discuss (where he had no complaints). It equals to his reverts and content removal from before, because of which you previously locked the article.

Now can you please tell me if the user can block edit request on such grounds?--Avala (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed the above indictment/complaint and would like to note that thanks to the intervention of admin user:Ev, the issues were resolved on the article talk page, with neither editprotect request as cast by Avala performed. An edit was made for Iran by Ev without removing the content Avala wished to remove, and without adding the paraphrase Avala prepared. In the case of India, the proposed source was not used and no edit was made. I strongly object to continued misrepresentations of my edits and discussion by Avala on various administrators' talk pages and noticeboards. I have documented fabricated quotes and suppressed evidence in the cases of Brazil, Armenia, Slovakia, to name three. Several editors have taken issue with inappropriate sourcing or false translations (Algeria: a crucial "yet" omitted, Libya: its position sourced to Serbian government and Serbian state TV, Uruguay: "has not recognized" paraphrased/mistranslated as "will not recognize" and attributed to unnamed sources). In no case so far has anyone made a frivolous, obstructing objection to an editprotect request, and some have been carried out. Administrators can read, and surely the talk page is forum enough; soliciting interventions on other talk pages and noticeboards with biased, one-sided characterizations, without notifying the other party, is way uncool by bending the process. --Mareklug talk 09:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Alf Garnett image

Hi, were you the creator of the excellent Alf Garnett/Union Jack image that you removed from the Alf Garnett page? If not, do you know who the creator was? I'd like to use it on my own webpage (I downloaded it some time ago). Thanks. --Frankieparley (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't create it, I removed it and deleted it from Wikipedia. Due to copyright issues, I cannot restore the image to allow you to use it on your userpage. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

GA review

I have reviewed the Fursuits article. Realist2 (talk) 08:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You could possibly use that Japanese cosplay source, i would have to read it myself to see if its ok, if you provide me a like on my talk page ill look at it and lt you know. Realist2 (talk) 16:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

from the 3 links you put on my page, use both the 1st and 3rd link. Together they will be strong enough to support the statement. Realist2 (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I will leave a message on the talk page about whats left to do, not much left i feel, damn i never realised you were an admin, im always left with the big shots.Realist2 (talk) 23:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, you are dealing with an admin who writes. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok ive made a new much shorter list. Realist2 (talk) 00:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Its looking really good, i think you need to find some stuff on music videos/popular culture. It might fail the broadness test otherwise. Bulk that up and it itl be good. Do a google search. Realist2 (talk) 01:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I know the exist in music videos, but I don't have a source on specifics. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Im doing some fine tuning. ;-) Realist2 (talk) 02:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

OK source that last line and it passes. Realist2 (talk) 02:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Im off to bed, its very early in my part of the world, ill check in on it tomorrow. Realist2 (talk) 02:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok let me know when your finished and ill review it. Yours Realist2 (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Doh!!! Ill go take a look, Realist2 (talk) 18:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it passed, hope my services were of help to you. Realist2 (talk) 18:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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Flag of Kazakhstan

I am doubt about the accuracy of the Flag of Kazakhstan. I got a 2x3 metres official flag of Kazakhstan which was hangouted on one of the administrative building in Kazakhstan. The image of the eagle on the original flag is different than on the image Flag of Kazakhstan.svg.

Could you send me the Construction sheet of the state flag by the Kazakhstan Government mentioned in comments? My email: BernardTom (talk) 01:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I am going to the dentist now, but I will be willing to make the construction sheet. However, I can tell you now that the ratio for the flag is 1:2, so I am not sure why an administrative office was using a 2:3 flag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! What I meant by 2x3 metres is: the flag size is HUGE! The actual size is 1.45 x 2.90 metres. Here are the pictures of it.

As you can see, it has some differences than the image in Wiki! BernardTom (talk) 22:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The sun and the ornament look the same, just some style differences between the eagle on the flag and the sheets I have. I notice a lot more pointy edges on the flag. If the government updated their construction sheet, then I will update the flag. I do have a Kazakh flag flown on the Russian/Kazakh border, but I need to see what the eagle looks like. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Flag of Canada WP:FAC

I guess you noticed that I nominated the article for WP:FAC :) I think we did a great job on the article. Gary King (talk) 20:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Still providing images to the article. Glad you got it to GA. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I've moved Image:Items from the Canadian Parliamentary Flag Program.jpg to the Commons now. It's safe to delete. Gary King (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Since you've been so helpful so far with the FAC... mind helping with all the copyedit issues raised? :) Gary King (talk) 03:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I fail at copyediting. Some of the errors he mentioned, I have caused, since I use EN-US. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Is the book just a general reference, or do you have specific page references for it that we can use inline? Gary King (talk) 03:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Both. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I see ref. 26 is using that book. Could you change that ref. to use the page number that it refers to, to be more specific? Thanks! Gary King (talk) 07:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

MJ

Hi there again, the Michael Jackson article is up for FA. Ive completed the requests of all 3 people who have commented and it has since had 2 further copy edits. Since you have some experience on these things would you mind taking a look to see if it meets the FA critera. Realist2 (talk) 17:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve#Order_of_the_Rising_Sun

Please weigh in at the discussion, as to whether the SVG is correct. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Already did. This government page says things look great. I work with SVG, so I can toy around with it once I have time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Review the Facts

User_talk:Beamathan#May_2008 - You were wrong to block me, and I want you to review what happened immediately. Beam 02:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe this. You say "...remember, this article is on ArbCom probation and we been asked to be harsh on users who cause problems. Locking didn't work, so blocking has to come." That is ridiculous. Please go check out the facts at User_talk:Beamathan#May_2008. I won't fill up the Kosovo Talk Page with this garbage, we should adress it at my talk page. I'm eagerly awaiting what you have to say for yourself, and your actions. Beam 02:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't, I blocked both you and the person you were reverting. I had to block either both or none, and since the article is under ArbCom purview, we have to take a hard line. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

In regards to this message you left on my talk page, I do not understand what you're saying in that context. [12] Is that supposed to be posted under the "Didi" section?

As for the comment, that user revealed his name long ago as Hdayejr, and his sockpuppets (and IP sockpuppets) have made changes on my page for several days now. One of his socks raised the issue here [13] while I was off wiki, and the edit was quickly reverted and the sock blocked by other, uninvolved editors.

Please do not remove or alter the comments of other users from talk pages. If you have a problem with something an editor has written, please take it up with them. Thanks! Redrocket (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Redrocket

He hasn't heeded your advice, reverted that edit with the personal information from earlier. I filed it with ANI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.210.57.237 (talk • contribs)

[from your user page, see WP:ANI#Posting_of_real_names_on_a_talk_page] -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I have questions pertaining to your block of Redrocket on his talk page. R. Baley (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
As do I. If I may explain, you came to my page and made a comment. I had not been asked to remove the information before (by anyone except sockpuppets of a banned user), and the initial ANI report I mentioned above was dismissed quickly, without any involvment from me.
Your page does not identify you as an admin, so I came to your page to have a discussion about what was going on. You did not engage me in any discussion or respond in any way, you simply responded with "I don't care" and blocked me.
In fact from what I can tell, your only action for the last ten hours was to block me without explanation and then go off-wiki, making further discussion impossible. Please explain what I've done wrong here by trying to engage you in conversation and putting the username (not real name) of the banned user back in place on my page. Thank you for your time. Redrocket (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
As a courtesy note, I have brought your actions before the community at WP:AN/I. The direct link is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Block Review: User:Zscout370 blocking User:Redrocket. Thank you. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 02:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
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Gone. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Canada Day to FAC in time for Canada Day?

Hey, since we collaborated together for Flag of Canada, would you like to work together on Canada Day to bring it to FA status in time for July 1 so it can be on the main page? My biggest concern is what we could put in the article — are you aware of any other 'holiday' FAs that we could compare to? Thanks! Gary King (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Finals are coming, so I can't really say for sure. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, could you please sort out 77.46.209.231 [14], take a look at his contributions on his recently created account, you will see that he has broken 3RR, he is incredably POV, he has vandalised pages and has personally attacked people such myself ;) haha Ijanderson977 (talk) 16:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting him out ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 16:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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Not orpahned anymore. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

David R. Hawkins

I would dearly love to contribute to the editing of this man's work in Wikipedia. Any suggestions on how the protection issues with the page can be resolved?

Drakonicon (talk) 13.41 EST 17 May, 2008. —Preceding comment was added at 03:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

None. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Deleted image

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Deanery

No disrespect but the picture you've just deleted, on the grounds that it was owned by the BBC, was taken by a mate of mine from 1RTR. Can you kindly restore it please?GDD1000 (talk) 21:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
On second thought, that image is a duplicate of Image:Deanery.jpg. You need to sort that image out, instead of uploading copies of the same images under other licenses. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Scepia/Grand Theft Auto

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Requests for arbitration

Please see [15].— DædαlusT@lk / Improve\ Contribs 17:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

hello

couldn't help notice that you are talented with image work. Was wondering if you could make a hybrid of EU flag and British flag for me please. A bit like this. You dont have to, but i' would appreciate it. ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)