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[edit] Apocrypha

The article reads "In her biography, she claims her love life began at an early age in Ankara,Turkey, reportedly with a May-December affair with the fifty-one-year-old Kemal Atatürk, ruler of Turkey, to whom she lost her virginity at the age of fifteen; she was at the time married to Berhan Belge."

This is unclear. First, it is stated previously in the article that she was born in 1917 and married Belge in 1937, making her 20 at the time of their marriage. So is the anecdote trying to say she was really 15 and married? Granted, when dealing with Zsa Zsa, the whole page might as well be entitled apocrypha. Who knows if that's even her real birth date or when she got married. I just think the article should be consistent.Saucybetty 01:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


The sources I found said it was Jolie who was "Miss Hungary" in 1936. So was it the ~35-year-old Jolie or the ~19-year-old Zsa Zsa? -- isis 08:54 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)

Yes it definately was Jolie the mother who was Miss Hungary . My family remembered this fact . She must have been 35/40 at the time and ALSO lied about her age as she was said to look ALOT younger . She agreed with Zsa Zsa saying she was Miss Hungary to further her career . The mother always pushed the daughters to be famous and lived through their success and notoriety always having had the frustrated ambition herself to be a big star which given the breaks and being in the right place at the right time and mixing in the right circles ( which she wasn't until too old ) she could have been much more than the daughters who were only ever minor celebrities at most . Jolie was far more beautiful than any of the daughters all her life and was simply stunning when younger . Apparently she also had a fabulous voice . Those are recollections of my family . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.30.26 (talk) 02:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It was Zsa Zsa for whom it is claimed with some consistency. Though I suppose Jolie might have claimed it on her resume at some point... (the Gabors had LOTS of stories to tell about their past and they weren't all compatible)... If anyone could find a list of Miss Hungarys it would be interesting, because various stories have Zsa Zsa either winning Miss Hungary in 1936, or coming in second in 1936 (and later claiming to have won), or winning in 1936 but having to resign the title for being underage. -- Someone else 17:45 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)
I suspect that the likely explanation was that Zsa Zsa entered the Miss Hungary contest, came in second, emigrated to the US, exaggerated on her resumé, and her claim to have won the contest was simply accepted without fact-checking. Then someone checked, found out she wasn't in the list of Miss Hungarys, asked why, and was told the "I came in first, but was forced to resign because I was underage" story, which had the additional advantage of taking 3 years off her age. But that's just my guess. In the meantime, I'll change the assertion in the article from an assertion about truth to an assertion about her allegation. <G> -- Someone else 18:59 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)
Zsa Zsa seems far more probable than her old mother, and only a couple of sites seem to support the Jolie theory. The IMDb site has Jolie born in 1894, and living to age 103. IIRC Zsa Zsa was always coy about her age. The disqualification story seems to be a favorite of trivia pages and would support a birth in 1921. Her first marriage was in 1937. Would she also have been inclined to lie about her age to get married? I agree that it would help to have a list of the Misses Hungary (pluralization?) because I don't find any of the quickly available information sources (including IMDb) to be reliable on these points. -- So what's new on the Net? :-) Eclecticology 19:30 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)

Since when is hubby Fred the "Duke of Saxony" as http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021130/REPPY-3/International/international/internationalBriefsHeadline_temp/3/3/5/ says? My favorite of the Zsa Zsa stories on the accident was the one that said her age was "estimated to be 85" -- with the Gabors, that's about as close as one comes to a fact, isn't it? -- isis 01:08 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

Oy, and that's Reuters, and they have him as Prince of Anhalt as well. You'd think they would do some elementary fact-checking, but apparently...not. I love the idea of an estimated age... though it makes me think of a fossil or something that needs to be carbon dated<G>. -- Someone else 01:22 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)
For William Addams Reitwiesner's words on the subject of Frederick's "Herzog zu Sachsen" name, see an alt.talk.royalty posting of his dated 05 Jul 1996, here. He's generally a reliable chap, isn't he? So what does this make Frederick's full surname, post-adoption? "Prinz von Anhalt, Herzog zu Sachsen"? Or something even longer...? -- Oliver Pereira 01:55 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)
Yes, I'd believe WAR gladly, but I bet he'd might give this one a second thought. Zsa Zsa's husband was adopted by a FEMALE Anhalt, and they are not Herzogin. You can't transmit a title if you don't have it, and she didn't have it. As to the full surname, I'd bet it was "Prinz von Anhalt"... but someone would have to look at the paperwork to be sure. It COULD be "Prinz von Anhalt, Herzog von Sachsen", but it's certainly wrong for Reuters to call him Prince Frederick von Anhalt. -- Someone else
No matter what, he's not "Herzog von Sachsen", at most "Herzog zu Sachsen", since he's not a member of the "ruling" family. And you're right, someone else, the Prinzessin was not a Herzogin, so she can't pass on that name/title. Maria Auguste was a Princess of Anhalt, and also, through her marriage to a son of the emperor, a Princess of Germany and Preussen. By adopting Robert, she "passed on" only her name, which is "Prinz/essin von Anhalt". And he has no rights to the "titel" since adoption does not confer "blood". YggdrasilsRoot 19:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Even assuming he bought the Sachsen name in the adoption, not just the Anhalt name, I thought everyone agreed all he had was the name, not the office/title. That is, you can name your kid "Holy R. Emperor" but that won't make him the owner of those Crown Jewels in Vienna. -- isis 02:48 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

Yup, and getting that nice 'von' name especially won't gain entry into the nobility, which probably irks him no end<G> -- Someone else

[edit] Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:41, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How do you say Zsa Zsa?

--220.238.44.174 09:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

The "Zs" sound is like the end of the English "J" (as in "jam" or "jazz") without the part that sounds like a "D". So d'Zsa d'Zsa Gabor would sound like Ja Ja Gabor. Eje211 04:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

That's an awkward way to describe it. It's the last sound in beige, but with an "ah" afterwards. Matt Deres 02:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

How old is Zsa Zsa Gabor now

As of February 6, if 1917 is her real birth year (and intend to find out), 2007 she will be 90. According to her marriage date posted on this article, that would put Zsa Zsa's birth year at 1922. Zsa Zsa is pronounced like Zsha Zsha..you actually hear the z when you say it. I am still debating on what the pronunciation of Eva Gabors name. It is typically pronounced both ways, but which did they call her, or which did she prefer. Most people pronounce it like Ava, but if it were, wouldn't that be her name? I like it as Eva though too, (with a long e).-an editor of the article.


Ja Ja Gabor

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[edit] Gypsy Ancestry

Does anybody know if she has Gypsy Ansestry?


I am questioning that too. They have so many gypsy recipes in "Jolie Gabors Family Cookbook"..and Jolie has a picture somewhere that i also own of her being lulled by a gypsy son/lullaby. I really don't know..just providing more info.

                                                                                                                                                     -an editor of the article


[edit] "Quotes" Section

The "Quotes" section is unsourced, sprawling and unencyclopedic. Unless anyone raises any objections, I propose deleting it altogether. Goodnightmush 01:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the section, particularly as she has an entry at Wikiquote which was already in the External Links section. Goodnightmush 00:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Please keep the quotes. They're wonderful. Michelle

Why is the shopping quote bowlderized? According to the manual of style, "profanity should either appear in its full form or not at all". The current form doesn't conceal the intended word from anyone old enough to read the sentence. Cleduc 19:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gabor Family Favorite Perfume in 1968

I am looking for the perfume that was billed as the Gabor Families Favorite Perfume in 1968, It is dark in color and smells very sultry, I love it. can anyone tell me what the name is or if it is still in existance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.115.151 (talk) 00:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I am disputing the authenticity of the Official Gabor Family Website

I have serious doubts that the Official Gabor Family Website is endorsed or authorized by Zsa Zsa Gabor or anyone in her family, First let me point out that the site is hosted on a free webhosting service using a subdomain, I really don't think that the Zsa Zsa would ever use a free webhosting service, it's too tacky even for her and second NO WHERE on the site does it indicate that it is OFFICIAL or endorse or authorized by Zsa Zsa or her family, The author of the site also writes personal messages to Zsa Zsa which really wouldn't be appropriate if it were indeed an official site. Therefore I am removing the word OFFICIAL from the External link until such time as it can be legally proven to be an OFFICIAL site. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 03:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: I am disputing the authenticity of the Official Gabor Family Website

I am the webmaster of the site and it is not affiliated with the Gabor Family in any ways whatsoever. I do not know who linked it onto this site as "official" but it is not official by any means. Solely a fan site about the Gabor Sisters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmcb06 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 20:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zsa Zsa, Ataturk, and Date of Birth

This is my very first time on Wikipedia. If I'm putting this in the wrong place, please be kind and let me know. I want to be respectful of the process, about which I know very little.

It's very difficult to separate fact from fiction in Zsa Zsa's account of her life and amours. However, I'll give it a try:

1) Her date of birth. The Wiki entry gives the year as 1917. As far as I can tell, this is not correct. She says she won the Miss Hungary contest but was disqualified because she was 15. Later that summer, she says, she appeared in the premiere of Richard Tauber's The Singing Dream. In neither of her memoirs does she tell the year. But this date is easily verifiable: "The Singing Dream" premiered in Vienna on 31 August 1934. You can check this date in any biography of Richard Tauber. If Zsa Zsa was 15 at that time, as she says, then she was born in 1919.

2) Her affair with Ataturk. This is a tough one. For all the facts that I've been able to muster, please see my six-part series, "The Pasha & the Gypsy" at [1]. Bottom line: I think it probably happened. But it's a long series, and I can't possibly summarize it here. So far the only people who have read this series are people interested in Turkish history. I would love it if Zsa Zsa aficionados had a look as well.Idesfred (talk) 07:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)