Talk:ZMA (supplement)

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Contents 1 ZMA 2 Confused 3 Edit 4 agree 5 Association - Pyroluria (causes zinc, B6 deficiency) 6 Illogical 7 2004 Study Misquote? 8 Connection to Lucid Dreaming?

[edit] ZMA

The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc and 400-500 mg Magnesium. This supplement should never be taking with calcium, as calcium blocks the absorption of Zinc, and any ZMA that has calcium in it should be avoided. ZMA should also be taken before bed on an empty stomach (2 hours after eating your last meal and at least 30 minutes prior to any other supplements).

Cite sources? Yes I am aware that calcium does cut off zinc but only at a certain extent (in excess of 2.5grams) otherwise very little difference.

Anybody have any more information on this? Since I can't find any corroborating evidence that calcium significantly inhibits zinc absorption I think this statement should be removed --Bk0 (Talk) 02:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, it's proven that any calcium consumption above 500-1000mg will lead to osteoporosis. You shouldn't be consuming more than that, and thus won't encounter this problem. Heavy calcium consumption is easily avoided however, just avoid dairy products and supplments with lots of calcium. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.115.129.226 (talk) 20:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Confused

Is this article trying to induce a sales pitch? --Raddicks 19:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

This needs to come out, "The only side effect found in the players was the urge and need to masterbate more often." Cleary an opinion or a joke. Hempdiddy 14:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit

It has been proven that ZMA works on people, your body needs zinc, magnesium and b2,b6 and b12 to produce testosterone and insulin growth hormone.

please read study's before making such comment, every story has 2 sides.

w/r. Robert

apart from convenience what is the difference between this and just taking zinc/magnesium/B6 tablets bought from a standard chemist/health shop? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.248.196.12 (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] agree

While the lead paragraph with Balco and Conte does seem a bit commercial, it is historically accurate. I don't see a sales pitch in any of the other information provided.

Also agree, has worked well in practice for me for 5 years now, can tell a difference in at least the lucidity of dreams in periods when I take it and when I don't.

[edit] Association - Pyroluria (causes zinc, B6 deficiency)

"Pyroluria, or malvaria (from the term mauve factor), is the metabolic condition when a person has too many pyrroles in the urine. It is relatively common, but not widely known despite having been discovered several decades ago. Kryptopyrrole is a by-product of hemoglobin synthesis.

The pyrroles bind to vitamin B6 and thence to zinc. Then it is eliminated with the urine, potentially causing a deficiency of vitamin B6 and zinc. Pyrolurics may also become deficient in arachidonic acid. These deficiencies can cause mental and physical problems."

This disease causes a deficiency in B6 and Zinc and is associated with complete lack of dream recall, stress intolerlance, mood disorders, etc... (www.drkaslow.com) Unfortunately, there are not many medical studies on this disease that I have seen and there is only one doctor in the U.S. known to test for it, but it still seems plausible. I would like to hear others pitch on this.

There should be some new information added to this article (including it's validity) with the release of "Game of Shadows"

[edit] Illogical

The article states that it should be taken on an empty stomach then states in the immediately following sentence that lactose and Vitamin D help with Magnesium's absorption. The supplement does not contain those and is meant to be taken without those. So I don't know why this is relevant unless the editor is trying to make a rebuttal of its effectiveness. I'll remove it.Quadzilla99 14:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Correct Quadzilla99 thanks for seeing an error on page an corrcting it. Called myself proof reading but it happens. --Supplements 18:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2004 Study Misquote?

From the article: "Another study in 2004 found that ZMA has no effect on strength or hormone levels, but did show a lower rate of muscle catabolism and cited further study was recommended.[3]"

From reading the results of the study, the only correct part of this sentence is the study concluding that ZMA has no effects on strength or hormone levels. The suggestions of lower rates of muscle catabolism and recommending further study is, as far as I can tell, the 2004 study quoting the 1999 study as a basis for their research. Not conclusions drawn from the 2004 study. Does anyone else agree?

Furthermore, an important point that probably should be included, is the 2004 study noting deficiencies in Zinc and Magnesium have negative impacts on performance, and the possibly of the athletes in the 1999 study beginning the study being deficient in Zinc and Magnesium. Then ZMA supplementation becomes beneficial to correct Zinc and Magnesium deficiencies which provides performance improvement. Maybe also noting that Zinc and Magnesium supplementation, not ZMA explicitly, being required.

I'm not expert here, but this is just general inferment, so if someone else could comment please. Thanks, George 82.38.146.124 12:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Connection to Lucid Dreaming?

I have read that ZMA can cause lucid dreams. Any sources on this? 124.177.101.88 (talk) 01:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)