Talk:Zip (game)
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[edit] Name controversy
Zip Zap Boing? C'mon, learn to rhyme. I don't know who taught you, but it is clearly Zip Zap Zop, as it rhymes much easier.
As the article says, there are many variants. Also, learn to rhyme yourself. Zop does not rhyme with Zip or Zap. What you're thinking of is alliteration. Chapwithwings 09:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know it as Zip Zap Boing... ♠TomasBat (@)(Contribs)(Sign!) 22:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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- The game probably differs in regional terms. I've heard it as Zip Zap Zop in Ohio, pennsylvnia and massachussettes. Because of the alliterive factor, I would venture to guess that this is the original form and the most common. Indeed a search on google finds 39,000 returns for "zip zap zop" while other 423 for "zip zap boing", including wikipedia. Also, the rules listed here are not the ones I am familiar with, so stylistically should also be listed under variations. The basic form as I understand it is as a simple theater preperation exercise, without elimination. More complex rules have no doubt formed via specialization that comes from repeative use. This article should have a fairly intensive rewrite, and a move to highlight the common form, while leaving room for variation of rules. If there are no objections in the next few days, I shall do so. leontes 19:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- No idea what you're doing with your Google, but I just found 24,000 for Zip Zap Zop and 20,000 for Zip Zap Boing, which makes them pretty equal in my book.Chapwithwings 07:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- try searching for them in quotation marks. This specifies the search paramaters to the exact phrase. I also removed the word wikipedia from the search results as wikipedia is mirrored and would skew the results for the wording that has be present for some time. You do this by adding -wikipedia to the search term. leontes 13:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm... If it were a "simple preparation exercise", then it wouldn´t be a game if it doesn´t include elimination... Now, as for Zip Zap Zop, I suppose I am obliged to agree with you, due to your Google test, so it would seem ok to rename the article (move it). If you rewrite the article, then please leave the possibility of elimination, at least as a variation... ♠Tom@sBat 20:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- No idea what you're doing with your Google, but I just found 24,000 for Zip Zap Zop and 20,000 for Zip Zap Boing, which makes them pretty equal in my book.Chapwithwings 07:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- The game probably differs in regional terms. I've heard it as Zip Zap Zop in Ohio, pennsylvnia and massachussettes. Because of the alliterive factor, I would venture to guess that this is the original form and the most common. Indeed a search on google finds 39,000 returns for "zip zap zop" while other 423 for "zip zap boing", including wikipedia. Also, the rules listed here are not the ones I am familiar with, so stylistically should also be listed under variations. The basic form as I understand it is as a simple theater preperation exercise, without elimination. More complex rules have no doubt formed via specialization that comes from repeative use. This article should have a fairly intensive rewrite, and a move to highlight the common form, while leaving room for variation of rules. If there are no objections in the next few days, I shall do so. leontes 19:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
PD: I´m glad someones out to rewrite the article, it isn´t in very good shape... So, good luck!
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- I'm not sure zip zap boing warrants a mention in the intro paragraph, there are less than 360 mentions on google, with a -wikipedia search... Maybe under variations, but under Wikipedia:Notability, I don't think it passes muster.leontes 16:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Are these the same game?
Having visited the reference link from the article, I'm frankly not certain that Zip Zap Zop and Zip Zap Boing are even the same game.
SIMILARITIES: Both take place in a circle; both are energy games used by drama practitioners; both contain the words zip and zap. DIFFERENCES: One is an elimination game; also, ZZZ consists of the three words repeated, in that order, endlessly whereas in ZZB every word has a different meaning and therefore different action and consequence.
It's starting to seem like they're about as similar as Chess and Draughts (Checkers) which are both played on the same board with the same colour scheme.
Also, it seems a lot of the Zop supporters are typing in the USA, whereas here in the UK I've worked with many different theatre companies and they all use Boing. Chapwithwings 12:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- My thought on this matter is that I have evidence of folkloric diversity in the implemenation of this particular circle game. I have seen zip zap zop as part of a larger improv game, I've seen it used in different contexts by a variety of work groups. I've seen a version that the first letters of the words change, to be bip bap bop and kip kap kop. I've seen it implemented as a highpace elimination game, or as three minute concentration warmup. I think the nature of the game alters to suite the needs of the people who employ it. I think all these games share the same provenance, namely zip zap zop. In this case it's more akin to ring a ring o'rosey and ring around the rosie rather than draughts and chess. leontes 13:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
User: 151.204.31.233 attempted reverted the page returning the zip zap boing rules. Those rules can be found here [1]: If they can be incorparated back into the article with proper citation and without original research, with also confirmation of notability, add them. Otherwise, they do not belong on the page. leontes 19:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recent renaming to 'Zip'
Zip is not the most common form of this game. The main factor of the game is that is in broken up to three separate syllables. Never is it, in my experience, or in references, as the article now states, just people saying "zip" to each other. I think that this solution was a bold move, and a good faith edit, but leaves this stub of an article in worse shape than it was before. leontes (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
