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Contents 1 Your editing philosophy 2 Deleting prices 3 Showing materials 4 A Land without a people for a peopl without a land 5 what are you doing? 6 Deletion of Picnicface comedians 7 Reason of Deletion 8 St. Teresa of Avila Catholic School 9 name 10 I don't understand why my contribution was removed 11 Perhaps you could help me. 12 Sources for Jeff Zittrain notability 13 Carlton Bolling College 14 outer rim territories 15 Bunny Gibbons Notability 16 Importance of all articles 17 Jeff Zittrain notability 18 Rush Limbaugh/Frank 19 Random comment 20 My edits (Smuckers) 21 Speedy tagging of images 22 It's Smuckers again

[edit] Your editing philosophy

ZimZala,

As you can see, I'm (relatively) new to Wikipedia. I don't really understand why you're marking the pages I've been editing for "speedy deletion" and trying to undo my contributions to this site, when I am uploading content that I have produced myself and for organizations that are independently important of the fact that I, or anyone else, has been involved with them. Ask any human rights NGO and they will attest to the importance of the Lowenstein Project, for example, in the field of human rights advocacy. It's just that no one in those understaffed organizations has the time or inclination to create the Wikipedia entry themselves, but one of our partner organizations (Human Rights Watch) said it would be a good idea to create that page, so I did. When you asked me to take down the content that I myself had written but that I had also posted on another website, I did... and I hadn't had the time to flesh out the page yet, until now, and I come back and see you're already trying to delete it again.

If you're going to continue following me around and persecuting my good-faith attempts to add useful content to Wikipedia, then I'd just as soon not participate in this project at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BITE

Best,

Jeff

Sosa1998y (talk) 05:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, don't mean to come across as biting. But we do have rules and guidelines regarding content here, especially when it comes to copyright issues. Perhaps reading our help pages would be a good starting point for you. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting prices

Hello! I just noticed that you deleted content on page "Communications in Armenia" explaining that wikipedia is not place for showing prices. So, how can you explain me why I see price-lists in almost other countries communications pages???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.139.0.101 (talk) 12:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The existence of improper material on other pages doesn't justify its presence. Show it to me, and I'll gladly remove it. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Showing materials

Ok! then please explore, for example, follow pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Hungary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Lithuania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Montenegro

This is only a few percents of all pages. Please inform me about your further actions.

[edit] A Land without a people for a peopl without a land

I would appreciate if you allow me to make my case on the talk page before arbitrally removing the prod. Just because some editor removes it doesn't mean it has to go althogether. annoynmous 00:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes it does; please read WP:PROD. You are free to make your case at a full WP:AFD. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 00:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Can I add a different Prod with a another start date on it.annoynmous 01:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It is obvious this is not a non-controversial deletion - just use the proper AFD processes that have been pointed out to you, and let it go its course. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 01:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, It's just it's taking a while. Please be patient. I'm not an expert at this. annoynmous 02:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.176.37 (talk)

I think I really screwed up the third step. I added the wrong thing in the wrong spot. It now says the page is blocked. Could you help me with the third step because I have seem to have fundementally misunderstood the instructions. annoynmous 02:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I see you already have. I appreciate the help.annoynmous 02:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

So I can't ask other people fro help.

Also I'm adding things from the talk page to show evidence based's sockpuppetery.

The point I'm making is that if someone wants to redue the article from scratch fine. However, the article is completely unnaceptable as it is.User:annoynmous:annoynmous 04:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what are you doing?

why are you removing my hang on flag with no repsonse in the discussion forum? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philswiftiwuk (talk • contribs) 00:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

In reference to Biosphere Expeditions, the article is not nominated for speedy deletion, so the {{hangon}} tag you keep adding is unnecessary and inappropriate. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 00:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Picnicface comedians

Surprise surprise -- another well-meaning Wikipedian is tired of your deletionist policy. Please look at Kyle Dooley's and Evany Rosen's talk pages. Beijing goalie (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please remember civility and assume good faith. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 20:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It's tough being civil when all you get is smarmy answers. You ignored my points, made irrelevant quotes from the wikipedia bible, and decided to delete the Picnicface article. I'd like some reasonable explanations please. Beijing goalie (talk) 02:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Please show me my "smarmy answers". And note that the Picnicface Comedy article has not been deleted, but merely nominated for such. You are free to participate in the discussion. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I apologize for my previous snappiness. Beijing goalie (talk) 20:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reason of Deletion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Concepcion

ZimZala,

I apologize for this consecutive deletion. There seems to be a problem with the page. That is why I continously also, create it. Please do also understand that I am new here on Wikipedia, and the fact that it turns out to be hard for me to handle this error concerning my article. Although for the meanwhile, just please consider this problem of mine. Thank you.

With much respect, Lea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andreaonline&redirect=no —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreaonline (talk • contribs) 04:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] St. Teresa of Avila Catholic School

Please leave the St. Teresa School article alone! You never even went to the school, and STOP PUTTING YOUR NOSE IN EVERYTHING! Besides, leave it be because the principal is retiring, and he likes the article. Don't do it for me, but for my Grandpa, Mr. Garcia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominic Edward Aragon (talk • contribs) 16:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, you don't WP:OWN that article, and a lengthy biography of the current principle (whether retiring or not, whether your grandfather or not) is not appropriate. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for you to include a personal tribute. If you insert this material again, you risk being blocked from editing for disruption. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 16:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE!!!! MY grandpa, Mr. Garcia, loves this. Can you leave it until he retires please!? I BEG you! He loves it. I'll make the article better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominic Edward Aragon (talk • contribs) 16:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate your desire to please your grandfather, Wikipedia is not a place to add tributes to people that fail our notability guidelines. There are plenty of free web providers where you can build the tribute you so much desire. This simply isn't one of them. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 16:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

im sorry i didn't know. Can I just put something about his retirement? Oh yeah, and I wasn't trying to act as if it were my article. Sorry. Its just sad to see him retire. H did so much for the school. Can i put a little something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominic Edward Aragon (talk • contribs) 16:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It generally is not appropriate to make mention of a random principals retirement, unless it is somehow notable. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 16:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

This is me just being curious, but did you ever go to St. Teresa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominic Edward Aragon (talk • contribs) 16:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

No. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 16:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] name

Hey, do you know if i can change my name from Srmagnetismo to HAMM? I need it. ҢДMM®(Hundry Marquina!) 16:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 16:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I don't understand why my contribution was removed

My contribution to the Jonathan Zittrain wikipedia page was removed within an hour of it being posting. It's obviously of interest to wikipedia users that two famous people, Jonathan Zittrain and Jeff Zittrain, are brothers. Why refer to Jonathan Zittrain's parents and not his brother? Siblings are usually mentioned on wikipedia pages, especially if they are figures of note. Can you put my contribution back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tazerfish (talk • contribs) 22:40, 31 May 2008 (UTC) Tazerfish (talk) 22:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

If his brother is sufficiently notable, then he would/could have his own article. Otherwise, mention of him in a siblings article is superfluous. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 00:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perhaps you could help me.

I'm a new contributor, and I want live up to the wiki standards of rigor. I have assembled various third-party links to establish that Jeff Zittrain fulfills the notability guidelines, despite the fact that he doesn't have his own wikipedia page. His music meets a few of the "Criteria for Musicians and Ensembles." Should I sent these links to you, or to some other group to reach consensus? I'm confused by how the "sandbox" works.--Tazerfish (talk) 01:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Starting an article for help creating a new article, and pay particular attention to the notability guidelines. I can try to assess the sources you have, or you can propose the creation of the article and provide the links at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers and bands. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 03:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for Jeff Zittrain notability

Thank you. Too make this easy, here is a cut-and-past of the criteria for notability as applies to musicians. The third-party sources I found are listed beneath it.

Criteria for musicians and ensembles A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: 1. It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.[1] o This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries[2] except for the following:  Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves, and advertising for the musician/ensemble.  Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report performance dates or the publications of contact and booking details in directories.  An article in a school or university newspaper (or similar) would generally be considered trivial but should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. 2. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart. 3. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country. 4. Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.[3] 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). 6. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such, and that commonsense exceptions always apply. 7. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. 8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury or Grammis award. 9. Has won or placed in a major music competition. 10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.) 11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. 12. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.

Regarding #10: NBC-TV show “Ed” used Jeff Zittrain’s composition and performance of “Lullaby” in its series finale. To demonstrate this, I may have to go to iTunes and purchase the song.

Regarding #1: A. Here’s the review of Zittrain’s band, Famous Last Words, in “All Music Guide”: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:j9frxqwsldse

B. Here’s the Famous Last Words review in Relix:

http://www.relix.com/Content/On_the_Verge/On_The_Verge_200410051652.html

C. Here’s from the dance “Collaboration” http://www.collaborationdancemusic.org/Choreos/Mayock.html And the review in Ballet Magazine: http://www.ballet.co.uk/magazines/yr_07/oct07/rr_rev_collaboration_dance_and_music_2007_0907.htm

Here’s another review from “Jambands”: http://www.jambands.com/CDReviews/content_2004_08_27.00.phtml

This one doesn't have editorial control but it is called "The Brothers Zittrain" and should establish the connection: http://flickr.com/photos/juliemelton/sets/72157603106458597/detail/

Is this sufficient to establish notability?

--71.204.131.107 (talk) 08:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

First, please don't paste large sections of policy into user's talk pages - we can read the policy at the source. Second, please log into your user account. Third, I don't really have the time or expertise to review your suggested sources. Take my advice above and either formally suggest the article at WP:RA, or follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Starting an article to see if it seems like the article will be acceptable. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carlton Bolling College

Hello ZimZalaBim,

I wanted to talk to you about the changes you have done to Carlton Bolling College, I can unterstand that you don't want that article to look like a website, but I don't want the article to be short, I want to give more detail and information about Carlton Bolling College, I can understand that you don't want all those links linking to the Galleries. I added those Level 2 Headers but unfortunately I didn't have much time to write more information in each section, but I will get some photographs and some more information to put on. But could I possibly have the permission to undo the changes you've done to the article by using the history page of the article?, and I will of course remove those links to the gallery page and add more information and pictures into each section. Khaledelmansoury (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a web hosting service for a school to list every possible activity or piece of information. I suggest you work on adding useful, encylopedic information to the article. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I can unterstand that but other schools such as Bingley Grammar School have listed up information in detail. Could you please tell me the reason why I'm not allowed to do this? Khaledelmansoury (talk) 22:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just becuase other problem articles exist doesn't mean we should allow more to be added --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not adding sewage to the article just more information, I really like the Wikipedia system and how administrators and other users prevent vandalism and always keep the system running, but I'm only adding information interesting to readers, I'm not trying to do any vandalism or add any nonsense to wikipedia. Have you got anything against schools? I'm not trying to list every activity just important, I know that there were a few boring, non interesting and "empty" sections in that article, but I'm planning to get more information and pictures for them, I will try to only write important information, then I will ask you if the article is OK? Is that alright? Khaledelmansoury (talk) 09:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Please assume good faith, as I generally support the inclusion of school articles, even if no explicit notability is claimed. However, Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. Thus, articles must contain only encyclopedic information, not trivia or every little detail. Please keep this in mind when editing. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 12:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm just waiting for the pictures then I will edit it and then I will ask you if there is anything that needs to be changed. OK? Khaledelmansoury (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] outer rim territories

Hi ZimZalaBim, I was wondering about the article Outer Rim Territories. I feel this article is of major importance and should be included on Wikipedia. I plan on expanding this article and improving it. Please consider my opinion and thank you for your time.Iphoneorange (talk) 23:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be creating various stub articles for random (and in my opinion, minor) elements of the Star Wars universe. Please note that not every element of a fictional work is notable for inclusion in this general encyclopedia. Not that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars makes note of this. I suggest you shift your focus to only notable subjects, or perhaps channel your enthusiasm toward Wookieepedia. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 00:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bunny Gibbons Notability

Hi,

I've done some research and I feel that the Bunny Gibbons article is quite notable now. I would appreciate it if you could review it and either remove the notability notice or give me some advice on it.

Thanks, Beijing goalie (talk) 02:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Importance of all articles

Hi ZimZalaBim, Let me start out by saying thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I disagree with your opinion on writing on Wikipedia. You say that these articles are unnecessary on Wikipedia, and should be placed on a different wiki such as Wookiepedia. In my opinion Wikipedia should be the encyclopedia with information on every possible subject. Even if the subject is a minor one, it should still be included because this is what makes Wikipedia the greatest database on the web. Please consider my side of the story and reply when you can. Thank you very much.
Iphoneorange (talk) 04:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jeff Zittrain notability

The standards of notability for musicians are not whether they have their own wikipedia article. A musician is worthy of note if they meet one of the twelve criteria listed in the Criteria for Musicians and Ensembles. [[1]] Jeff Zittrain meets criteria #1 and #10, and is thus worthy of mention in an article about his brother Jonathan Zittrain. As an example, both Jonathan's Zittrain's parents are mentioned in the article, yet neither have their own article on wikipedia. I have a list of third-party sources to establish Jeff Zittrain's notability. Where do I send these sources to earn Jeff Zittrain a mention in an article about his brother? --Tazerfish (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[[]]

I'm well aware of WP:MUSIC, thank you. You can add appropriate mention of his brother with citations at Jonathan Zittrain and see if other editors consider it valuable, or you can discuss adding it at Talk:Jonathan Zittrain. Either way is more appropriate than bringing it solely to my attention here. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 17:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rush Limbaugh/Frank

It is my own image because I captured it from my own video I thought that was ok. Help me!

Smuckers (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

As described in the message left for you, images taken from TV/film are typically covered under copyright and need a fair use rationale. See our image use policy. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

This is referring to the National Golf Coaches Association "Copyright" problem. I changed it. Now you can stop picking on me.

Smuckers (talk) 16:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No one is picking on you. It is apparently you aren't familiar with our policies regarding copyright. I suggest you read those, as we must be sure not to include copyright-protected material in the encyclopedia. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 16:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

But I am familiar. I read them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smuckers (talk • contribs) 16:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Then you would know it was incorrect to simply cut/paste content from a copyright protected website. Please don't do it again. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 17:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

3/4 of the pictures on this website are copyright violations. Mine is under the Creative Commons license. I wouldn't steal, I am not that kind of person. Smuckers (talk) 17:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No, by far the majority of pictures on Wikipedia are used properly in accordance to our image use policy. I am very suspect of your insistence that the images you uploaded are either yours or licensed by the owner under a Creative Commons license. I've already proven that you found one of them at a website. It is very important that we take copyright seriously here. As a general rule, don't take images from websites. Thank you. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 17:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Random comment

Hey, I saw your username somewhere and I think it rocks!

Have a good day! J.delanoy^gabs_adds 05:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My edits (Smuckers)

OK..I have to ask..I can't help but think as to why are you picking on me so much? All of my edits are very serious and I truly try to help out as much as I can. I put alot of thoughts into them and enjoy helping out pages by creating useful edits with references. I try to undo any vandalism I see. My Huggy Snuggy page had a credible source, but on second thought I guess the page really didn't need to be created. As to my Tiger Woods edits? Hardly vandalism..if a comment by Tiger that caused controversy isn't notable, then why would a small quip from Phil Mickelson be?

Other than that, all of my edits are serious and I try to contribute as best as I can. Please tell me why you don't like me/are trying to embarrass me-make me feel bad.

Smuckers (talk) 14:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. I'm not picking on you, but as already mentioned, many of your edits are problematic, so it is natural for other editors to examine them to ensure we are maintaining Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines. Regarding Tiger Woods, I suggest you bring up your concerns on the talk page, as removing those items from the article has the appearance that your are upset that your own contributions weren't kept. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy tagging of images

I'm sure you know it already, but please don't tag images that claim to be free for I9. PUI will take care of them soon enough anyway, and as stated in the template it's not a very good idea if there's a reasonable doubt that they may be free. Cheers! -- lucasbfr ^talk 22:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, I thought the ones I recently tagged I did as I3, but perhaps an I9 snuck in there by mistake. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It's Smuckers again

PSU volleyball all time record - why delete? It took me a long time to write. I got it from the Penn State Volleyball yearbook and put it in my own format. Not copied, it's general information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smuckers (talk • contribs) 21:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

1. Nothing was deleted. If you look at the edit summary in the history, and click the new link in the text, you'll see it was simply moved to a separate article: Penn State Nittany Lions volleyball all time record
2. Please remember to sign your comments on talk pages.

Thanks --ZimZalaBim ^talk 21:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know you made a new page for it and I think it's a good idea -- but I was referring to your comment "split this out from Penn State Nittany Lions volleyball, but I'm not entirely convinced it should even remain. This info is likely found on some university website, and doesn't need be to duplicated in our encyclopedia. I'm open for discussion." Thanks Smuckers (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

IMO, Wikipedia is not a place to compile non-essential athletic records and statistics. Anyway, this discussion should talk place at Talk:Penn State Nittany Lions volleyball all time record. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 21:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)