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[edit] The Greatest Mind under Heaven

There is always much debate behind Zhuge Liang and much is always said about the methods he used in battle. One of his methods is his deft rhetoric that he used during his conversation with the military officers of the South Land.

Although they each tried to bait him, every word that they breathed was well approached by Zhuge Liang. The best knowledge he showed was during the attack of the South Land by Cao Cao. At the time, Zhou Yu was trying his best to eliminate him with every ruse he could think of. Zhuge Liang overshadowed his every attempt and was always well prepared for the next.

The hardest thing that is still debatable today is wondering how did Zhuge Liang call forth the South-Eastern Winds for the fire attack he and Zhou Yu had planned on. Some people say he knew when it would blow from talking with the sailors or fishermen; some believed it was magic and many did not even say.--Zhang Liao 06:05, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

There is no debate today regarding how Zhuge Liang called forth the wind to his aid, at least not among Chinese meteorologists. An annual reflux of colder air from the land and the warmer air from the waterbodies in the vicinity reversed the otherwise prevalent North Wind around the region. Zhuge Liang was a local farmer, he would be familiar with such weather anomalies. And the Chinese had very accurate calendars since Xi Han. It was possible to fix such annual weather changes to specific days of the year. (In fact many traditional Chinese festivals orginated from days of prominent weather changes.) Though the same weather pattern still exists today, due to deforestation, rerouting of Chang Jiang and commercial and agricultural settlement around the region, it is no longer a very stable, predictable and measurable. Unfortunately, my source is very veritable but not eletronic. --64.180.11.169 06:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Bullshit, your source is Dynasty Warriors. --Friedchikinz (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So BS

Zhang Liao and others, I don't know if you are doing this for fun or for laughs. You have made comment on every single page related to three kingdoms and all of them full of historical inaccuracies resulted from reading too much ROTK. Please realize that Wikipedia is a place for objective truth not subjective conjecture and fantasy. If you are going to comment, please do constructive comment and not just interpretations from ROTK. Please cite reputable sources and not a fantasy novel. I seriously doubt that French Historians quote The Three Musketeers as a reputable source on 16th century France. Please refrain from doing this, authors like me don't want to build up an objective wikipedia just to see it degenerate into rubbish nonsense. -- User:haow 4:37, 12 April 2006.

Hear hear. I am not the most knowledgable man in Wikipedia and will not claim to be, but I do try to contribute about real history. You want to put in some untrue information, that's well and good, but don't do it here. User: Cao Wei 10:55 PM Sunday April 16 2006
Under western traditions, The Three Musketeers is a legend, while the Romance is an epic. Epics are not fictions. They are valid historical sources. Of course, this is chinese history, we have official records, the Romance is only a reference. But please do not analogize between The Three Musketeers and the Romance of Three Kingdoms. If you must pick something French, perhaps the Song of Roland. --64.180.11.169 06:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what you pick, the comparison is not the point being made. The fact of the matter is that historical articles cannot be based on false or fictional information of any kind, no matter the level of accuracy or truth. Zhang Liao is not only using ROTK as a reference, but also the Dynasty Warriors video games. Whilst one may be more accurate and plausible than the other, neither qualify as references or merits for historical mention unless done so in their respective fictional sections of the articles. Gamer Junkie 06:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
you can read the official biography, many have their deeds "enlarge" so you see overlapping claims. but it is recorded history so it is at least not very far of.
"In the historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Zhuge Liang attempted to extend his lifespan by twelve years, but failed when the ceremony was disturbed when Wei Yan rushed in, announcing the arrival of the Wei army." maybe he just needed rest and use "ceremony" as an excuse to not work... lol, too bad he got no rest.. kekeke nah. historically, the Xinye escape plan was Liubei's own ideas, Zhugeliang was only a jurior official at that time. and chibi is won but the wind was natural, Caocao managed to broke camp, so Guanyu never really met Caocao at the pass etc... but history is such diffcult things to correct with a couple of chinese student damanding heads of historian who "suggest" something other than what was in the novel. Akinkhoo (talk) 18:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tactics..?

Hmmm? No Empty Fortress? No Borrowing Arrows? I haven't read the whole Romance of the Three Kingdoms yet, but am familiar with those stories and others... was there a conscious decision to exclude them? --Ling.Nut 21:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Because none of them happened. And no one bothered to write a section about his almighty powers in the novel yet. _dk 22:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, the Holocaust never happened either, but there are articles about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Friedchikinz (talk • contribs) 02:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Holy crap. There's someone who could travel through time here! More books=More knowledge=Less stupidity flowing in the brain

No need for that. pull it into line. Gamer Junkie 00:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wu Hou Ci

There's a place called Wu Hou Ci in the province of Sichuan. It's mostly in memory of Zhuge Liang, so I think this page should mention it somewhere. It's pretty famous :]Treecake88 07:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)treecake88 :D

What does this place represent in regard to Zhuge Liang? Make sure you state this. Photos and references regarding this place would also be good. Gamer Junkie 23:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Qian Hou Chu Shi Biao

I noticed that there is no mention of said primary source in either the article or here on the discussion board, which is rather ironic, especially to those who very self-righteously accuse and ridicule others of not refering to the right source. Perhaps introducing Chu Shi Biao can shed a bit more light over the debate of how much of a strategist/advisor Zhuge Liang was/could have been. In any case, I think there should be at least a link to Chu Shi Biao in the article, if not a whole section dedicated to it. --64.180.11.169 06:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Descendants

I saw in a documentary many years ago that his descendants are still alive and living in China. Anyone's got a clue? Chensiyuan (talk) 06:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)