Talk:Zhao Yun

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[edit] Main picture

Can we perhaps get a better main picture for Zhao Yun? He's a historical figure, not an aggregation of polygons from a video game. Such a ridiculously romanticised picture is suitable for the article on Lara Croft - not for Zhao Zilong.

[edit] comment

A man of China or of the Chinese decendent should follow this man on honour, gallantry and wisdom then he can called him self a man of China or Chinese descendent.

Zhao yun can be said a great warrior.I really wish to see him saving the young baby e dou at Changban.written by Angela Verita lin

[edit] Cleanup

Why is there an individual page called "Biography of Zhao Yun"? Part of the introduction text could also be moved down to the biography section. Please clean up. --Plastictv 22:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Those who have Honor

Even now when Honor and devotion is more of a hard practice, Zhao Yun of the Three Knigdoms shows many people that bravery, respect to his or her lord, and willing to give his or her life means having the most honor on or off the battle field. There are also others who carried the same honor just as he did for his own kingdom.

Zhang Liao: Wei General of the top Five. Zhang He: Wei General of the top Five. Huang Gai: Veteran officer of Wu. Zhou Tai: Body Guard of Sun Quan. --Zhang Liao 04:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zhou yun

Zhou yuns the man in the game hes awsome but man when i learned about this dude i liked the way he was and now i think hes even more cooler . JG

[edit] This article is rubbish.

"He charged into 1,000,000 of Cao Cao troops by himself"

Give me a break...Cao Cao didn't even have that many men. Not to mention that Zhao Yun would have been slaughtered.

There's just too much information taken from the novel (Not historical)

Perhaps you should try and correct it? --Nsevs 17:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it based on the novel. if in the novel ROTK says so, it's OK to say that. Anyway, Cao-Cao have that number of troops. --[[User:Rudy[Rudy]] 11:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Also you did know that many documents from the 3k period were lost in Mao's revolution right? So calling 1,000,000 men rubbish isn't a good idea when you considered not knowing the exact number of troops. I.E. How many member are there in the Chinese Communist party? You don't really know but you sum up the number right? So in war is the same way. Also why can't a man face against 1 million men? it's not like they're all compact into a single area, they could be behind him or in front of him or around him. So when Zhao Zilong faced one million men it isn't that they're all in one spot but they could be spreaded out. Also I remember some guy in WWI that took out a few hundred Enemies with his gun....(Clue he was against fighting before he went to war)- Randomguy 9 July 2007

[edit] It can be fixed easily

Just because someone added non-historical contents does not mean the entire article is rubbish. That error was removed once, but was added in by another individual. It can be removed again.

[edit] Zhao Yun's Bravery and Honor

"Say," said Zhao Zilong, "that I will seek the lost ones in Heaven or Hell, through good or evil. And if I find them not, I will die in the battlefield."

"I am Zhao Zilong of Changshan!" Quotes of Zhao Yun aka Zhao Zilong

What's up with these seemingly random thoughts about the Romance of Three Kingdom people? There's always one of those in every RTK article on wikipedia. The talk page isn't made for discussing the novel. And this could be just me, but I believe people would prefer the old ancient drawing of Zhao Yun that was removed to this ridiculous Dynasty Warriors picture. 80.227.100.62 07:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I don't think that's Zhao Yun in the main pic; it looks like Guan Yu.

It is indeed a picture of Zhao Yun from an old edition of "ROTK." There are different portraits (all of them imaginary) of Zhao Yun in various books, some look young and some look old. However, in Han Dynasty and the Three Kingdoms era, males with a well groomed beard (i.e., Guan Yu) were considered "handsome," while those without much facial hair were occasionally ridiculed. The picture shown here, though not a true reflection of Zhao Yun, should not be considered any less “accurate” than any other Zhao Yun portrait out there.

[edit] Heros in dynasty warriors

why insult images that they use from dynasty warriors? they do a much better job at putting them in a game then any of you do.

[edit] Merging Qin Gong article into Zhao Yun article

It has been proposed on the Talk:Qin Gong page that the information there be merged into a section on this page. I think that a section of information about his exploits in the novel should be added. The information on the Qin Gong page falls under this. As long as the information is labeled as fictional tales there shouldn't be any confusion with the historical information under the "Life" section. Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 22:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Source Citations

I'm no expert on the subject, but it seams to me that this article was written by some video game fan boys with little historic accuracy. It has a wealth of un-sourced material, and I think should be tagged as 'not verified' until they can be sighted. If they remain unsighted, they should probably be removed. --Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 01:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

That was quite demeaning. Besides the statement you added a citeneeded tag to, what else needs to be addressed? _dk 03:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey sorry if I sounded rude. I didn't mean for that. However, I stand by the fact that it needs source citations. The entire page has 2 references, which are hardly even used. If the article is to be accurate, it should have a wealth of sources (considering its size). I was going to place citation needed tags in a lot of places, but I realized about 95% of the facts stated are unsourced. Realistically, I realize it shouldn't have citations after every single fact, but I'm just saying, it would be nice to have at least 5-10 sources, (preferably with footnotes). If you shoot for that, it'd probably be sufficient. Thanks for your help. --Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 03:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

All of the "Life" section is based on the first source, because that is the only authoritative primary source there is on him. I'll add a source on the RoTK stuff. _dk 14:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

That's good, but the first two sources are in Chinese. Seeing as this is English Wiki, I'm not sure that cuts it. I'll go ahead and remove the banner, but we really should be shooting for at least 5 legit sources. --Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 20:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Chen Dao

Why did someone insist that some stories in ROTK about Zhao Yun were based on Chen Dao? This is pure speculation and not acceptable. This kind of speculation first arose in some internet chat rooms, it should not belong here.

In Chen Shou's San Guo Zhi as well as some other historical records, Chen Dao was mentioned only briefly and his life achievements remain unclear. To say that Luo Guan Zhong combined Chen and Zhao Yun into one character is not reasonable. Luo created many fictional characters and fictional deeds, but there is no reason to believe he decided to omit Chen Dao for the sake of enhancing Zhao Yun as a character.

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