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Contents 1 Placement of Life cycle events template 2 Ashkenazi rituals/customs 3 Proposal to rename this article 4 female circumcision?!

[edit] Placement of Life cycle events template

I have placed the Lif cycle Events template on top of the page here. This is only a suggestion — even though I must say I find it to provide a better overview. If people don't like this, it may of course be put on the bottom. If people do like it, the other Jewish life cycle event pages should be modified accordingly. -- Olve 22:06, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ashkenazi rituals/customs

There is much potential here... (hint, hint) Feel free to add info on development of Ashkenazi rituals within the various denominations! -- Olve 04:10, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To be honest, I think it's more talked about than done in Ashkenazi circles. Jayjg 04:17, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That is my impression too, actually — and part of the reason why I think it makes the most sense to have this article under the Sephardic name. It would still be interesting to have some names and dates for those Ashkenazi ceremonies though... My knowledge about the new Ashkenazi ceremonies here are a bit limited. (Incidentally, I know of at least one Ashkenazi couple who opted for a Sephardic-style Zeved habat for the naming of their daughter. :-) ) -- Olve 04:31, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, the other problem is that the ceremonies aren't particularly formalized in Ashkenazi circles either, so its difficult to talk about what the ceremonies are like. Jayjg 17:05, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It turns out that there is more of a history of this in Jewish circles than is commonly realized. See the historical study When Should Baby Girls Be Named? by Prof. David Golinkin, President of the Schechter Institute of Jewish Studies in Jerusalem.

When Should Baby Girls Be Named?

[edit] Proposal to rename this article

My view is that it is more natural to have a separate article for the naming ceremony for Jewish girls, rather than a sub-entry under Brit milah — especially since circumcision (milah) of girls is explicitly forbidden according to halakha. There is not yet one universally accepted term for the ceremony in Ashkenazi Judaism. Hence, it is natural to have the article under the Sephardi ceremony — which has a well-established and widespread name and many generations of traditional practice. -- Olve 22:06, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I am not convinced that we should use the Sephardic term alone. In the non-Orthodox community two others terms have garnered much use in the past 20 years, and these ceremonies are now increasingly becoming common in Modern Orthodoxy. In terms of Google hits, the names used by Ashkenaizic Jews seems to outnumbers the Sepharic term, and most non-Jews looking for info on Wikipedia are more likely to have heard of this ceremony from Ashkenazi Jews. RK 01:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

• "zeved habat" 981 hits

• "simchat bat" 899 hits, and "simhat bat" 725 hits (Seems to be the clear winner).

• "brit bat" 883 hits

[edit] female circumcision?!

"Jews do not perform female circumcision, but the ritual that takes place is considered to have an equivalent meaning." Can somebody explain that one please? What 'meaning' of female circumcision are we so jealous of exactly, and trying to copy? I'm not sure how to edit this or I would.