Talk:Zero-emissions vehicle

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[edit] Joke

Was bicycle supposed to be a joke? If so, congratulations to the writer. I think I read that three times before it hit. Liastnir 13:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ZEV - Electric Trains, Trams & Subways

This topic is Zero Emissions Vehicles (ZEV), not Zero Emissions Automobiles.

Classifying Electric Trains, Trams & Subways as "competing solutions" displays a cultural bias, in the sense that in North America the automobile is thaught of as the basis of personal transport. There is also a narrower bias in giving the impression that a ZEV is a concept created by the California ARB ZEV incentives.

Bearing in mind that electric trains, trams & subways provide ZEV transport for millions of people daily, the following statement from the current wiki article is misleading: "The only other generally available technology considered zero emission is that used in battery electric vehicles."

The article gives the reader the perception that ZEVs are a rare and exotic form of automobile, rather than a widely used form of transport.

The article mentions pollution reduction as a motivation for ZEVs. The primary method used to reduce smog and other pollution in densly populated areas is the promotion of electric trains, trams & subways.

I would suggest that the article is amended to follow the hierarchy type classification widely used in wiki articles. The hierarchy could start something like:

ZEV

Types:
 Public Transport
  Electric Trains, Trams & Subways
 Private Transport
  Bicycles
  BEVs
  Fuel Cell

Incentives
 Subsidies for public transport
 CARB ZEV program

Competing Solutions
 HEV
 PHEV
 SULEV

etc


etc

Parishcl 18:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "zero" emissions

The paragraph noting that zero emissions doesn't include emissions caused by the manufacture of a vehicle, or emissions from power plants used to power an electric vehicle, kind of makes the point that this article is ridiculous. There is no such thing as a zero-emissions vehicle. most of the examples here (particularly electric cars) should more accurately referrerd to as "different emissions vehicles". using the zero emissions tag fools people into thinking that driving an electric car (or riding in an electric train for that matter) is a way to travel without causing the emission of pollution. Murderbike 04:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right -- it's a marketing term. Not really accurate. What really gets me is the claim that CO2 isn't considered pollution. (Sure, we emit it ourselves, but we emit other things too that are even more ... noxious.) dougmc 17:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aircraft, boats, ...

Zero emission aircraft, boats, ... needs to be added (these are also vehicles). Besides in human powered versions, electric variants are available here too (see Solar Impulse, Helios, Pathfinder and others)

Thanks KVDP (talk) 10:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] This article is intellectually dishonest

WHy is it OK to use carbon offsets or whatever to get to true ZEV status for an electric vehicle, yet a gasoline powered vehicle run in conjunction with a carbon offset program does not qualify as a ZEV? Greg Locock (talk) 10:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I did not make up the definition, CARB did. However, I can understand it as:
  • everting emissions always has the preference (this has been stated by environmental organisations worldwide)
  • Secondly there are also other factors involved (health factors, ...). For example if gasoline or ther ICE (ethanol, ...) cars run along in cities they tend to cause health problems (even when they work in conjunction with carbon offset programs)

KVDP (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

True but irrelevant. A preference is only a preference. The second point places a greater value on th health of those in proximity to the vehicle, or its users, than others at a remoter location. NIMBYism IMO Greg Locock (talk) 23:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zero emissions vehicle category

I would like to propose a zero emissions vehicle category (this makes it easier to group other vehicles as human-powered vehicles, electric vehicles, ... under this category). Everyone OK by that ?

KVDP (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Already made the category, the category "Human powered ground vehicle", "human powered aircraft", ... however do not yet exist. Also under the "Green vehicles"-category things are quite messy (no pages should be in this category, only subcategories)

KVDP (talk) 13:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Environmental technology template

I'd like to replace the Environmental technology template with one that matches the standard navbox style, i.e. horizontal instead of vertical, collapsing and typically placed at the bottom of article pages. I've done a mock up of what this would look like at {{User:Jwanders/ET}}. Figured this was a big enough change that I should post before going ahead with it. Please discuss here--jwandersTalk 22:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)