User talk:Yvonnefitz

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the "Comic Strip Live" article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! Yanksox 00:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing speedy tags, if you wish to protest it place a {{hangon}} tag. Thanks! Yanksox 00:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It's really a tricky issue, but I recommend rewritting the article in your own words and using sources. Heck, I'll look at the site, and if it looks notable enough to meet guidelines, I'll write the article. If you need anything, feel free to contact! Yanksox 01:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Your edit to "Comic Strip Live"

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I put a Speedy deletion notice on the page, it will be wiped out and we can start this all over again. I am more than happy to help with this page. Also...

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[edit] Wiki

Don't worry, I'm just tired and not making much sense. :P Yanksox 01:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NN

WP:NN means "Not Notable". This is an encyclopedia, and so we cannot accept articles on unencyclopedic subjects - i.e. every subject of every article must have a claim to fame. If your article was tagged as NN, it's probably because it did not assert why the subject is significant enough to mention in an encyclopedia.

See, it's sad when people die, and I'm sorry, but putting their names into an encyclopedia isn't the right way to honor them. (|-- UlTiMuS ( U | T | C [] M | E ) 21:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Marcel Fitzner is a bit better, but it reads like an obituary rather than an encyclopedia article. Prepare for a long explanation for why I think so.
For example, look at the article: Paul McCartney. The article immediately states "Recognised as an icon of the 20th century, McCartney is listed in The Guinness Book Of Records as the most successful composer in popular music history." The article clearly states why he is important, and it elaborates on that topic. Your article, however, starts with "Marcel Fitzner was born in Bussum, Holland on October 31, 1944. He immigrated to New York City with his parents and older sister on August 4, 1947. Marcel attended P.S. 87, Jr. High School 44 -- both on Manhattan's Upper West Side -- and graduated from the High School of Art and Design in June 1962......"
It doesn't say why he is worth mentioning at all up until the very end, and even then it's only one sentence. This is not how encyclopedia articles are written. An encyclopedia is to provide useful and important information to people all over the world. And unfortunately, very few will care about Fitzner's life history unless his life history is important to his fame.
Take this as another example: I could say that Joe is 21 years old, that he owns a Ford Explorer, that his dog's name is Rover, that he has a college degree in buissiness... but obviously this is completely unimportant, especially when his "claim to fame" for being included in Wikipedia is that he has the world's biggest ears. That's exactly how I see your article. It has some useful information, but it's buried in huge a pile of useless info as well.
Usually I would readd the deletion request and warn the user to not delete the tag without addressing the raised concerns, but I know you're new here and you really mean to create a great article. However, I still think that Marcel Fitzner needs significant changes in order to stay. I hope we can reach a compromise here. (|-- UlTiMuS ( U | T | C [] M | E ) 00:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
This is much better. It clearly states who the subject is, and why they're important. I don't have any concerns with it anymore, but please ensure that any further content you add/readd to the article is worth mentioning and important to him being an inventor/entrepeneur. For example, is it really all that important that "He was also captain of the school's rifle team."?
Good job though. It's nice to see a change from all of the nonsense people submit every day. With some people around here, I sometimes wonder if they ever sat through an English class at all. (|-- UlTiMuS ( U | T | C [] M | E ) 03:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
In an unrelated matter, it would be helpful to others if you typed ~~~~ after your comments on talk pages to sign yourself (like I do). It makes it a lot easier to keep track of discussions and respond to comments. Cheers. (|-- UlTiMuS ( U | T | C [] M | E ) 03:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] High School of Art and Design

While there are some articles that order alumni by data, the overwhelming majority order by name. Most readers don't know what year someone graduated, making it harder to find an entry if anyone is looking, and most editors don't know the exact year of graduation making the order that much harder to maintain. Furthermore, the reordered list did not specify the sort order, nor were any graduation dates included. The lack of any comments in the edits made yesterday evening also made it near impossible to figure out what was changed and what was added. Adding additional details as to what was changed only makes it easier for other editors to collaborate on the article. Alansohn (talk) 20:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

  • You can always reply here, by editing this page. I will keep an eye out for updates to your talk page. You can reply to this or any other message on my talk page, click on (Talk) next to my username at the end of this note. Edit that page and add your reply to the bottom, using the four tildes as a signature. Alansohn (talk) 20:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


Reply from Yvonne:

I didn't know I could write something here. I don't think anyone ever told me, and as you can see there were a few editors who discussed some pages I began during the summer of 2006. (Editing Art & Design's page was done in June 2006 -- when I discovered a student had left a negative comment and only 3 grads were on a Notable Alumni list, if I recall.) It evolved from there, and then I tried adding some pages of my own -- one for the Comic Strip Live, a comedy club in Manhattan (with their input). Alas, two other editors deleted two of my pages -- one for the dumbest reason, saying he felt the "Margin" didn't exist and was a hoax. Well, if he had only run it through Google, he would have found it does indeed exist, and did, and also received a U.S. Patent. And on March 21, 1976, it was one of many inventions featured in the New York Times Magazine (article titled "Pot Luck"). That editor also quit. I found out about the unfortunate deletion -- and his leaving -- long after it happened.

The only editor I ever recall communicating with was by email. Or maybe also Yanksox, if he left the message on his own page, but you didn't. I hate throw my age around but I turned 65 in October and am not a techie. I did try and learn as much as I could during the last few years, including some simple HTML. (I set up our myspace.com page in August 2006, and run it.) I learn by observation. I checked HS La Guardia Arts' page and saw how they added the photo (clicking on "edit this page" and reading the codes) and then added the photo to ours. That's the best I can do.

But back to the Art & Design page. I find alphabetical by last name confusing, unless the last name is listed first, like:

Adams, Neal

Bakshi, Ralph

Bennett, Tony

Carr, Eric

I generally prefer alphabetical by first name:

Eric Carr

Neal Adams

Ralph Bakshi

Tony Bennett

But because we prefer to stress the school's rich history, we would like to do it chronologically. If I thus need to add the years in, so be it. I will get those years together within the week and give it a try. Perhaps you can suggest the way to make them look best -- bold, or parens, etc. At least the one good thing about having had the list the way I had it, without the years showing, was that I always caught those who added their names on, because they always added them at the bottom. I don't mind someone adding their name -- if they are indeed notable (and I do check them out). I've kept perhaps 5 of those additions during the last year. But being involved in hip-hop alone does not make someone notable, unless they are well-known. And Juliana Duque had better stop adding herself in. I don't believe she has ever contacted the school, and certainly has not contacted the Art and Design Alumni Association. Check out our website (I designed the logo -- in 1984, though the "square" was orginally a warm gray, not blue). Yvonnefitz (talk) 01:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

January 16th: Thanks for removing the non-notable alumnus who added himself. On another edit, I noticed you changed the cap A in Notable Alumni to lower case. If so, shouldn't the same go for Notable Faculty? Yvonnefitz (talk) 04:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I will do my best to ensure that non-notables are removed and will try to continue to find sources for genuine notables. Titles of sections should be in "Sentence case" (with only the first letter and proper nouns capitalized), not "Title Case". This would mean that it should be "Notable faculty". See WP:MOS for more details. Alansohn (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, understood, which is why I asked why you did not change Notable Faculty to Notable faculty. (I work by logic -- if you change one then I assume you will change the other). For me it was a headline, so I had made them both initial caps. I was not aware there were style rules to follow, and will have a look at what you suggested. And as far as notables go, your effort is most appreciated. Thank you again. Yvonnefitz (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

January 18th: Several names were added tonight. Also created a page for Sam Scali, and redirected it to the extisting Scali, McCabe, Sloves -- for now. Hope to have some of these people get someone to create pages for them. You didn't respond to my above commnets (re. Notable Faculty). Yvonnefitz (talk) 04:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

February 10th: I trust you read the comments I left on your Talk page tonight. Please see my above question from January 16th. Shouldn't Notable Faculty have been changed to Notable faculty?

PS: How come tonight's date and "User talk" information didn't get logged in?