User talk:Yurik/Archive September 3, 2005

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[edit] Apology

Dear wikipedians,

I would like to apologize for the mess I have caused with the Bot registration. I needed to rename my bot from Yurik to YurikBot on most sites, and after accomplishing this (grand thank you goes to Anthere, Datrio, Netoholic, people on #ja.wikipedia IRC channel, and many others), I am now registered everywhere as a YurikBot (bot) account. Due to a bug in login.py (soon to be fixed), i kept using my non-bot Yurik account on some of the sites. Please forgive me, the mistake has been corrected.

Thank you for your understanding.

--Yurik (one of the people trying to bring all wikies together)

[edit] Collective noun

Hi,

would you please stop your robot adding that bogus "de" tag to Collective noun?

Thank you very much, Betterworld 23:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know how your bot decides what interwiki to add (just a dictionary?), but maybe you should have it not redo any edit that's been reverted? I'd assume that however you do things, there would be occasional mistakes (like ambiguous phrases) that humans could correctly catch. —Simetrical (talk) 01:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Please see FAQ above, and let me know if you have any more questions. --Yurik 06:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't mean to be rude, but it seems a bit . . . excessive to ask anyone who wants to stop your bot from readding incorrect wiki links to go through multiple interwikis to remove them. Surely it would be more reasonable to just have your bot temporarily ignore the specific page and alert you so you can look into it? Bots are meant to be helpful, not annoying. —Simetrical (talk) 04:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct - it is excessive to ask anyone to change all pages, but you DO NOT need to change them all, if you follow either of the other two choices -- they only require one page to change, and that change will actually improve the quality of wikipedia, as you will provide a correct link. As for bots, maintaining a list of pages that were incorrectly linked is extremely difficult providing the distributed nature of wikipedia and bots. There are hundreds of users who run this identical bot, and keeping them all updated with the current list of bad links is very difficult. On the other hand, forcing all bots to see that a page has conflicts is extremely easy if you follow any one of the three instructions provided. I hope my explanation was clear. Feel free to edit the FAQ in a constructive manner.

--Yurik 04:30, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see. If you change one page it stops for all of them. No problems with that, then. Maybe you should add a link to the above FAQ to the bot's edit summaries. —Simetrical (talk) 06:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I am doubtful that the bot's operation is always reasonable. Translations do not need to be transitive, i. e., If "foo" in Language 1 translates to "bar" in Language 2 and to "baz" in Language 3, then "bar" and "baz" might have (slightly?) different meanings. Also, there are articles with interwiki links to other articles that are not exactly equivalent, but contain a description of an equivalent term in another language. I think it's okay if the bot adds an interwiki link in one direction if there's already a link in the other direction, but more "artificial intelligence" could get dangerous and annoying to editors. --Betterworld 17:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

If any article provides an interwiki link to another article, they should be about exactly the same topic. If they aren't, there shouldn't be a link. —Simetrical (talk) 02:52, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
There is not much artificial inteligence involved - either the links match - en:A describes the same as ru:A, same as af:A, and thus links are be transitive, or they describe different things - in which case it should be ru:B, and not part of this link network. --Yurik 04:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please login at bg:

Hello, Yurik. Concerning recent issues at wikitech-l (for anonymous persons creating YurikBot accounts[1]), please log in manually as bg:user:Yurik and make some changes at both user pages bg:user:Yurik and bg:user:YurikBot. Or, if you didn't create either of the accounts, please tell me so that I will block them. --Петко 5ko 01:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I have updated both pages using my YurikBot account. Thanks for your concern! Hope my bot is helping at bg: :) --Yurik 02:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your attention and for your interwiki work. Good luck! If you have a question or need help in bg.wikipedia, feel free to ask me. Cheers. --5ko 02:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Date pages on no:

The date pages (for example no:10. oktober) have a special system for adding interwikis. Bots destroy this system, so please don't make your bot add interwikis to them. If it does so a lot of times, I will block it. A good rule of thumb is for it to only edit pages starting in letters, not numbers. Jon Harald Søby \ no na 16:59, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I've blocked it for 24 hours from now. Leave me a message at my talk page when it's fixed. Jon Harald Søby \ no na 09:58, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
I tried to fix the bot (even submitted a patch into main CVS), until I realised that since every other site points to no: dates, the moment any bot runs through any of them and has an account on no, it will automatically restore the date links. I like the template idea, but i think its easier to rely on the standard bot processing than to do special exception cases for all different sites/page types. In the mean time my only solution is to remove no: from my processing list, thus none of no: pages will be updated. --Yurik 15:08, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
I see. Well, I've noticed that you are currently in the process of adding interwikis to pages starting in numbers; when that phase is done, you are welcome to continue adding interwikis to no:. =) Jon Harald Søby \ no na 15:47, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia Maori!

You and your bot are Registered Users numbers 84 and 85 on mi:, coming not long after Heiko Evermann (who runs his name together on nds: and elsewhere). It has been my custom to drop a welcome note onto the talk pages of new users (partly so that the "number" shows up in the comment in "Recent Changes:). I don't expect you to read it (though it will be mostly in English); but is there any technical reason why I shouldn't add a message? Robin Patterson 07:32, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Robin, thank you for your warm welcome. I am afraid i did not understand your question regarding the number showing up. --Yurik 15:56, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bad edit at tr-WP

As you can see from this diff at tr-WP, the bot you are using seems to have a problem with the nowiki-tag. I just stumbled over this, because the algorithm I use to generate interwiki links from the dumps also ignores nowiki-Tags and reported that this page (before your edit) contained a malformed link to cs:. :) --SirJective 19:14, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting the bug! I will enter it into the bug tracking on sf.net. --Yurik 01:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I've seen your message there, thank you. The problem with nowiki tags and html comments seems to be difficult to solve. --SirJective 11:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Why not just change the template and not include the []s? Just a suggestion. Jon Harald Søby \ no na 14:24, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Strange reordering of Alemannisch

Is the move of the Alemannisch link in this edit correct?

No, thank you, it should not have been reordered. There is a patch that allows site admins to sort site's links in any spescific order for all pages at once. I submitted it to mediawiki a while back, but not many developers seem to be interested in it. See here (vote!). In the mean time, I will either fix the bot or file a bug report (you are welcome to do that as well at the sourceforge / pywikipediabot project). Thanks! --Yurik 19:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Daimyo

You set an interwiki link on de:Daimyō to zh:大名. That doesn't seem to be correct, I think the proper link is zh:大名 (称谓). --Fuzzy Logic 22:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. Please look at (or expand) my FAQ above with any questions. Thanks! --Yurik 06:05, 11 August 2005 (UTC)