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Contents 1 Birthdate incorrect? 2 Enthnicity 3 Russian Actor? 4 Brenner's Gypsy music 5 more evidence for Gypsy / Roma heritage ? 6 Questions about his names 7 Born in 1915, or 1920? 8 Date of son's adoption? 9 Filmography 10 Death smoking related? 11 Yul Brynner's book "Bring Forth the Children ... Forgotten people" 12 Death 13 Later life? 14 Years active in infobox - 1980? 15 That Famous Head

[edit] Birthdate incorrect?

I think yul brynner's birthday may be wrong. 7/7 may be pict from him or somone else who knew that he was born in Summer. The reason why I came to this conclusion is the fact that in 1915 the mother gave birth to the child in the house or wherever happened to be in that moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.252.38 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 25 September 2003

• I found one (german) size which give July 12 [1], several others say July 11. Encyclopedia Brittanica give July 11, 1920? (including the question mark). To add to the confusion Russia had the Julian calendar at that time, thus having an offset of several days to the rest of the world. --andy 16:14, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• I just changed the date to say July 7, 1915, which is what IMDb says...the 7/7 may be inaccurate, but the 1920 that it previously says was certainly inaccurate, as it disagrees with the article itself, which says he was 70 when he died in 1985, as well as the Magnificent Seven article, which says that Brynner was older than Eli Wallach-Alex. --68.110.114.40 06:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Enthnicity

Was he ethnically Russian, Tatar or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.224.97.8 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 28 November 2003

• The Wikipedia Roma people article claims he was Roma, true? --AHands 18:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• What on earth is a Swiss-Mongolian? Certainly such a term should not link to Switzerland? john k 30 June 2005 16:10 (UTC)

• According to his son Rock's book, he was 1/4 Swiss, 1/4 Mongolian, 1/4 ethnic Russian, 1/4 Jewish (his maternal grandfather, who converted to Christianity). Interesting to note that his background is almost exactly like Lenin's (he was 1/4 Russian, 1/4 Asiatic, 1/4 converted Jewish and 1/4 Swedish). --Vulturell 08:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• I read on the Almanch de Bruxelles that is grandmother was a Mongoian princess, descended from Ghengas Khan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack9293 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 19 November 2005

• Nice job. Lenin was 1/2 Volga German, 1/4 Kalmyk, 1/4 Converted Jewish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.222.163 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 1 March 2006

[edit] Russian Actor?

Why would you say he was a Russian actor? Did he ever play in Russia (rhetorical question). He had a (mainly Russian) complicated origin, but was an American actor. --Quatrocentu 05:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brenner's Gypsy music

Before World War II, Yul played russian gipsy-guitar and songs in a specified russian gipsy-language. Somewhere circa 1965 he recorded some russian and gipsy-songs which he performed together with the famous gipsy Aliosha Dimitrivitch; the LP-record 33rpm stereo was labeled by "Vanguard". IF POSSIBLE TO GET THIS RECORD again, I would be very pleased if you would e-mail me this to : WOLODIA1@HOTMAIL.COM . Thank you for beeing so kind and nice greetings, Wladimir Nowikow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.161.41.10 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 22 December 2005

[edit] more evidence for Gypsy / Roma heritage ?

http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm

Yul Brynner (Vladivostok, 7/7/1915 - New York, 10/10/1985)

An undoubtedly controversial person, his origins have been a mystery for many. Actually he had only 1/4th of Romany blood, and 1/4th Jewish, by his mother Marousia Blagovidova, whose father was a Russian Jew and her mother a Russian Gypsy. It was anyway among Roma that he began his adventurous life, playing guitar in Romany circles and working as a trapezist in circus. He was elected honorary president of the Roma, an office that he kept until his death.

Any thoughts? 81.77.78.217 18:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions about his names

We need to tell more of the chronology of his name changes, but there are some questions.

• He was born in Russia as Юл Борисович Бриннер. This surname would normally be transliterated as Brinner, but we say Bryner. Why is that? Бриннер (two н's) does not become Bryner (one n) without some intermediate step. Or maybe it is just somebody's assumption about the original Russian spelling. Is there a documentary source for this?
• Was "Bryner" the way his Swiss forbears spelt the name? In that case, why did they double the "н" when it became a Russian name?
• According to IBDB and IMDB, on Broadway he was first billed as "Youl Bryner". This suggests the Western spelling of his surname was the single n version originally, and the second n was added later. When did this happen? JackofOz 23:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, his russian name was Юлий (Yulij), not Юл (Yul; such a form is impossible in Russian). See for example here (http://www.gallery.archipelag.ru/grm/b/b.html), and in many other Russian sources.141.157.170.136 08:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Born in 1915, or 1920?

I seem to be able to find an equal amount of sources online that say he was born in 1920 as sources that say he was born in 1915. Similarly, several accounts of his death indicate that he was 65 when he died, while others (such as this Wikipedia entry) say he was 70. See: Yahoo! Movies or this article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution for sources that cite Brynner's age at the time of his death as 65, not 70. Mchesnut 20:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• Hi. The Yul Brynner Foundation may be a reliable source, see [[2]]. It reads July 11, 1920. Regards: Akela <akela3@freemail.hu> User:145.236.220.89 21:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• Which date is correct? The article keeps switching back and forth between 1915 and 1920. Hotwine8 03:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• 1915 must be correct. Yul was born before the Russian Revolution. I have no idea why the 1920 date is given in many sources.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I found this: "From All Movie Guide: During his lifetime, it was hard to determine when and where actor Yul Brynner was born, simply because he changed the story in every interview; confronted with these discrepancies late in life, he replied, "Ordinary mortals need but one birthday." 87.50.196.118 (talk) 21:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Date of son's adoption?

How could he adopt a son five years after his death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.36.129.2 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 11 May 2006

[edit] Filmography

I'm not sure that the filmography listing for Cool Runnings is appropriate, since "Yul Brynner" was the name of a character, not an actor. Also, I'd have to watch the film again, but I believe that there aren't any photos of "the real" Yul Brynner in the film. --SignpostMarv 00:37, 03 June 2006 (GMT)

Perhaps archival footage was used int he film, like in a background tv screen or something? Sort of like Laurence Olivier was used in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow?--Lendorien 22:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death smoking related?

Where is the proof that his cancer was the result of smoking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.237.67 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 24 July 2006

I am as a physician absolutely agree with previous note. Cancer only CAN be result of smoking, but the precise cause of cancer is always uncertain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.0.210.102 (talk) 13:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Since this cause is not proven, it will be deleted. Mal7798 (talk) 22:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yul Brynner's book "Bring Forth the Children ... Forgotten people"

Hi! Yul Brynner also published a book in 1960, called: Bring Forth the Children: A Journey to the Forgotten People of Europe and the Middle East with Inge Morath. I cannot find it and I urgently need to know if this book is also dealing with the Roma(Gypsy)-people? Does anybody know it? Can anyone help me? PLEASE! Thank you very much!! - O. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.115.146.119 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 18 August 2006

[edit] Death

I am changing where it is noted a "commericial" was made using an interview of his warning against smoking after his death. What was made was called a Public Service Announcement (PSA), not a commerical. Even though he refers to it as a "commerical" himself, technically it's incorrect. A commericial is used to sell some sort of product or service. --Hokgwai 02:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Later life?

Brynner's last film appearance was in 1976 - or 1980, if you count the narration of "Lost to the Recolution". He died in 1985, just after the "King and I" revival. What did he do in between 1980 and 1985? 86.136.251.18 18:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

He toured in The King and I for YEARS. Monkeyzpop 19:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Years active in infobox - 1980?

Brinner was active on stage through 1985, according to the article, but the infobox says years active only through 1980 (with the wiki markup indicating active in film). Is there a way to show that he was active through 1985 in theater? --Zippy (talk) 06:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That Famous Head

They must have gone through a million heads before they discovered his, which is perfectly shaped. All I want to know is, was he bald or did he shave it?129.93.17.117 (talk) 01:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Tom