Template talk:Yugoslavian elections
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How about splitting to Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Council of Citizens election (Serbia), 1992, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Council of Citizens election (Montenegro), 1992, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Council of Citizens election (Serbia), 1996, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Council of Citizens election (Montenegro), 1996, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Council of Citizens election (Serbia), 2000, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Council of Citizens election (Montenegro), 2000, Nightstallion? --PaxEquilibrium 12:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm also think about pulling out the elections for the 1931-1941 Senate separately from the parliamentary ones...how 'bout that? --PaxEquilibrium 12:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I would agree with that as per precedent. However, were they direct elections, or were they only voted for by councillors or such? If the latter is the case, then they should not be on the template. I would disagree with the first suggestion though - that can be done in seperate sections in the election articles themselves.
- Also, what about putting elections for the joint Serbia-Montenegro parliament from 2000-2006, as it was the successor state to Yugoslavia (we don't have a new one for Ethiopia following Eritrea's split). Number 57 13:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- There were separate elections for the Senate of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia - half of it was elected, and the other half appointed. Why do you disagree? The Republic of Serbia on its own elected 108 members of the parliament, and then (even on a different date) the Republic of Montenegro would elect its 30 representatives, which're later combined into the Council of Citizens of the Federal Assembly of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
- There were no elections in the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. --PaxEquilibrium 15:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have split the Senate results - Is the Council of Republics effectively a Senate too? Number 57 13:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Well, yeah, it has the same role - the role of the Senate was as a representative body of the Banates and the role of the Council of Republics' role was that of as a representative body of the Republics. However, in 1931-1941 there were a National Assembly and a Senate - in 1992-2003 there was a single bicameral Federal Assembly. --PaxEquilibrium 15:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe the "Senate" line could be changed to "Upper House"? From what you've said this might be problematic, as it doesn't really look like an Upper House, but if you think so, then I'll go with it. Otherwise, we could have another line, but it would look a bit strange for one election. Number 57 11:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Although the solution seams a bit sympathetic, well, you already get the problem. Rather you decide, since it's your idea. --PaxEquilibrium 11:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe the "Senate" line could be changed to "Upper House"? From what you've said this might be problematic, as it doesn't really look like an Upper House, but if you think so, then I'll go with it. Otherwise, we could have another line, but it would look a bit strange for one election. Number 57 11:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well, yeah, it has the same role - the role of the Senate was as a representative body of the Banates and the role of the Council of Republics' role was that of as a representative body of the Republics. However, in 1931-1941 there were a National Assembly and a Senate - in 1992-2003 there was a single bicameral Federal Assembly. --PaxEquilibrium 15:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] FR Yugoslavia
FR Yugoslavia is not the successor to SFR Yugoslavia. This isn't my opinion, but what the Badinter Commission says. FR Yugo's elections therefore don't belong in the same template with these Royal Yugo elections, just as Croatian, Bosnian, etc. elections don't belong here either. --Thewanderer 14:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- This template is not a comment on the political status, but rather a tool for navigating between elections in a country called Yugoslavia. As there was still a country called Yugoslavia after 1992, it seems a bit pointless to have a separate template. Number 57 14:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm afraid it's not that simple. The two states had vastly different borders, and vastly different ethnic compositions regardless of what it was called. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia's politics were largely based on ethnic principles as it was a genuinely multi-ethnic nation, while FR Yugoslavia was an overwhelmingly Serb state led for the most-part by a man who waged war on the other successor states of SFR Yugo (for, at least, some time). Considering FR Yugoslavia the successor state is offensive to people from other ex-Yu countries and innaccurate.--Thewanderer 14:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Well the Badinter Commission showed worthless in the end, didn't it? ;) Also according to the 1992 Constitution of FRY its the successor of SFRY, and it was created as a remains of the remains of Yugoslavia. Recognition of its successorship was a subject of the 1995 Dayton Accords, and was internationally recognized on 1 November 2000 when representatives of its first democratic government went to New York.
- In the end I get what you mean (btw that man became its President in 1997, when there was no war in other ex Yugoslav countries IMHO), but that's Yugoslavia too, and this is a simple table. Take the African countries as an example. AFAIK all these users advised me to just put all 1920-1938 and 1992-2000 plainly over at Template:Serbian elections, just because of successorship and order. :)
- P.S. Also I wouldn't call it "an overwhelmingly Serb state", but a Serbo-Montenegrin state. --PaxEquilibrium 15:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm afraid it's not that simple. The two states had vastly different borders, and vastly different ethnic compositions regardless of what it was called. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia's politics were largely based on ethnic principles as it was a genuinely multi-ethnic nation, while FR Yugoslavia was an overwhelmingly Serb state led for the most-part by a man who waged war on the other successor states of SFR Yugo (for, at least, some time). Considering FR Yugoslavia the successor state is offensive to people from other ex-Yu countries and innaccurate.--Thewanderer 14:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but we cannot put these two countries in the same bag.
Badinteurs Committee worthless?? What are you talking about? Do you know how far-reaching were its conclusions? Forget your wishie-wishes.
All countries are equal successors, it's only the Serbia and Montegro that insisted that they're the only successors (all other republics find them as normal to be equal successors).
Don't use Wikipedia as Greater Serbian virtual wishie-wish world. Kubura (talk) 09:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- 1. The Badinter Commission was in 1991, before the FRY was created
- 2. The Badinter Commission had an advisory character
- 3. The Badinter Commission advised against Croatia's independence. Croatia has declared independence and was recognized by Germany, later followed by the international community
- 4. The Badinter Commission advised against Bosnia and Herzegovina's independence. Bosnia has declared independence and was recognized by Germany, later followed by the international community
- 5. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has proclaimed itself successor-state to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia; it was, as such, recognized and accepted into the international community. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 13:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Name
Why not simply change to "Yugoslavian", rather than the whole "Kingdom of..."? --PaxEquilibrium 19:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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- And what about the SCS Kingdom? --PaxEquilibrium 15:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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- The Serbia, Montenegro and South Slavic lands in Austria-Hungary were commonly referred to as "Yugoslavia", a term which was fully implemented during the Great War. --PaxEquilibrium 12:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, I wouldn't do that. "Yugoslavian" for KoY is okay, but we should leave SCS as SCS. —Nightstallion 16:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- The Serbia, Montenegro and South Slavic lands in Austria-Hungary were commonly referred to as "Yugoslavia", a term which was fully implemented during the Great War. --PaxEquilibrium 12:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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