Template talk:Yugoslavian Royal Family

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[edit] Yugoslavian Royal Family doesn't exist

"Royal Yugoslavia" existed for only ~23 years, and was governed by the Serbian royal family all this time. Not only does the Yugoslav throne no longer exist, but neither does Yugoslavia. While Prussia existed for hundreds of years, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia existed under that name for only 12 years and even during that time, their rule was not universally recognized. Insisting on a Yugoslav royal line defies all logic and reeks of Greater-Serbian POV.

It does not matter, at the latest they were the Yugoslavian Royal Family and are best known under those territorial designations. This is fact, not opinion. BTW, I am Canadian and don't have a single drop of Serbian blood in my body, as far as I am aware. Charles 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not trying to say that you in particular are intentionally spreading Serbian POV. I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like. It's just that you are towing the same line as Greater-Serbianists.

The "Yugoslav" royals still use the title (equally with the Serbian title), but in practice they are pretending only to the Serbian throne. They have ruled or pretended to every state Serbia was in. Fine, they ruled the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later the Kingdom of Yugoslavia) and the nobility from that time could legitimately be styled Yugoslavian. However, during the Second World War they threw their support to the (overwhelmingly) Serbian Chetniks, only supporting the Yugoslav Partisans at the very end of the war.

During communism, they pretended to the Yugoslav throne among the Serbian diaspora. When communist Yugoslavia finally dissolved in the 1990s, the nobility came out in full support of the Serbian statelets formed in Croatia and Bosnia which caused two devastating wars. I assure you they cared little about the idea of Yugoslavia during this period.

However, the name Yugoslavia lived on as FR Yugoslavia, which included only Serbia and Montenegro. The royalty obviously wanted to keep the Yugoslav title to keep hold of their old claim over Montenegro, a mostly Serbian Orthodox state which has a royal pretender of its own. Now, with Montenegro independent, Yugoslavia is no more. The title shrank and shrank until being Yugoslav royalty meant being Serbian royalty, and nothing else.

Just because this title is more well known because of events over sixty years ago, does not make it accurate today. --Thewanderer 22:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

We don't retroactively rename states and royal families though. It wouldn't even be "accurate" today to say that there is a Serbian or Yugoslavian royal family. The actions and opinions of the royal family in past decades does not mean that the Yugoslavian designation for them is invalid. The fact of the matter is they still use the title and the majority of English references to the royal family use Yugoslavia as well. Just because a state is fractured and now a number of republics does not mean that titles dating back to a previous state change. The Prince of Prussia doesn't call himself a prince of a number of different places just because Prussia does not exist anymore. The same goes for the Yugoslavian Royal Family. Charles 23:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)