Talk:Yugoslavia national football team

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[edit] SFRY/FRY split

The FIFA opinion is inconsequent, all international AND local institutions have recognized that Serbia and Montenegro is NOT the only successor to the previous Yugoslavia (SFRY).

Dryazan, you may include as much content from this page in Serbia and Montenegro national football team as you like, but they are not one and the same.

--Joy [shallot] 21:32, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'll create the S&M page tomorrow, the question is, do I include the Yugoslavia data -- ie, does Milosevic have 85 caps or only the ones for S&M?

--User:Dryazan

I'd say include both FRY and S&M in the total for Milošević. For people like Stojković a split would be necessary (at least in parenthesis) because they played in both SFRY and in FRY. --Joy [shallot] 21:54, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ok... So should I move the FRY WC/Euro info to S&M (see Czechoslovakia national football team and Czech Republic national football team, also USSR national football team and Russia national football team), keep it here, or put it in both places?

--User:Dryazan

I'd say either keep in both, or move to S&M and leave a note with links in here. --Joy [shallot]

Done, please insert any corrections as necessary

--User:Dryazan

Looks pretty good. Thanks. Now we need to get someone to write a little bit about the likes of Mihajlović, Milošević, Kovačević and it'll be tip-top :) --Joy [shallot]

Regardless of when Yugoslavia stopped being Yugoslavia, shouldn't this page mention that FIFA (and I guess IOC) counted (or maybe still count, I'm not a sports specialist) FRY national teams as direct successors of SFRY teams? When FRY played in world champinoships, FIFA listed complete KofY/SFRY record as FRY record, IIRC. Does anybody know more about these things? Zocky 20:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

FIFA has its opinion about S&M, FRY and SFRY and it is listed here: http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/profile.html?team=SCG; But hey, even though on FIFA pages history of S&M team includes history of Yugoslavia, and even though it is indeed *FIFA* World Championship (and not CROFA), there are some people in our neighborhood that know better. So, I would like here to thank our Croatian friend for his exceptional care about Yugoslavian/S&M/Serbian football team, for all the purity and correctness of the text. Without his frustration (it must hurt bad), the world simple wouldn't know... -- vvserb 83.236.172.18 09:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

While somewhat amusing, your personal attack is not really on topic. The factoid that you present has already been discussed and you have contributed nothing but a wee bit of bad faith. Kindly restrain yourself from further uselessness. --Joy [shallot] 23:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last international game of SFRY

It seems to me that a more likely date for the football-related separate of SFRY was mid-1991. In particular these two games are indicative:

  • #505, Beograd, Stadion Crvene zvezde, May 16, ECQ, A: 6,745, R: Vassilios

Nikakis (Gre) Yugoslavia - Faroe Islands 7-0 (2-0) YUG: Tomislav Ivkovic (Sporting Lisboă, Por) 37, Vujadin Stanojkovic (Par) 19, Robert Jarni (Haj) 7, Predrag Spasic (Real M, Spa) 30, Zoran Vulic (Mallorca, Spa) 25, Ilija Najdoski (Czv) 6, Robert Prosinecki (Czv) 15, Dejan Savicevic (Czv) 21, Darko Pancev (Czv) 24, Zvonimir Boban (Dzg) 7, Sinisa Mihajlovic (Czv) 1 - Coach Ivan Osim 47 Substitutions: 65' Davor Suker (Dzg) 2 for Jarni and Drazen Ladic (Dzg) 2 for Ivkovic

Notice Vulić, Prosinečki, Boban, Šuker, Jarni from Croatia.
  • #506, Aosta (Ita), Stadio Mario Puchoz, Aug 8, F, A: 500, R: Carlo

Squizzato (Ita) Yugoslavia - Czechoslovakia 0-0, aet, 3-4 on penalties YUG: Fahrudin Omerovic (Par) 1, Vujadin Stanojkovic (Par) 20, Darko Milanic (Par) 1, Dzoni Novak (Par) 1, Faruk Hadzibegic (Socahux, Fra) 57, Ilija Najdoski (Czv) 7, Mehmed Bazdarevic (Sochaux, Fra) 50, Dejan Savicevic (Czv) 22, Darko Pancev (Czv) 25, Dragan Stojkovic (Verona, Ita) 40, Vladimir Jugovic (Czv) 1 - Coach Ivan Osim 48 Substitutions: 46' Slavisa Jokanovic (Par) 2 for Stojkovic, 59' Vladan Lukic (Czv) 1 for Pancev, 60' Predrag Mijatovic (Par) 5 for Bazdarevic, and 72' Dragoje Lekovic (Czv) 4 for Omerovic

Notice the lack of Croatian players, and apparently anyone much other than Partizan and Crvena Zvezda players from Yugoslav teams. The period May-August was the time when the breakup officially started: the Slovenian and Croatian declaration of independence was on June 25. Granted, this was postponed during the summer (during which time war was starting), but still, the football federation and the team were obviously changed... game #505 was almost a year before the game #511 that is now listed on the article, that's a pretty large buffer... --Joy [shallot] 12:41, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] organization

Prompted by the recent discussion at Talk:Serbia and Montenegro national football team#Merge article, I'm wondering if perhaps this title here is a bit slanted. Regardless of the fact that KoY+SFRY were quite different from FRY, FR Yugoslavia actually also had a "Yugoslavia national football team". I'd rename this article to something more accurate, but I can't seem to think of a reasonable name. National football team of the first two Yugoslavias? :) --Joy [shallot] 16:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

It's a bloody mess. I was against of the split of S&M and FRY articles in the first place, but now that we have them, I think it's best to retain the current organization of footbal teams. Even if it's disputable whether those were two distinct countries or not, at least we can agree that the footbal teams were the same. And (somewhat fortunately), the country got renamed to a more distinct name, so the possibility of confusion is reduced.
As for the future Serbia national football team, we will probably also have issues of categorization, counting etc. The best solution would be to abolish the football in Serbia altogether, however it doesn't look plausible :-). Duja 14:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] last international

this is all wrong, i remember them playing in 2002, yes TWO THOUSAND AND TWO, as yugoslavia how can they possibly have played their last game in 1992???? this is ridiculous, im sure they stopped in 2003 then serbia and montenegro came along. this needs to be changed urgently and dont say i need references and saying 'im syre' isnt enough because i bet any amount of money their last game wasnt in 1992.