Talk:Yugoslav First League

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[edit] seasons and CZ

Hurricane Angel, your season delineation noticably differs from that one at http://www.rsssf.com/tablesj/joegchamp.html Also, Crvena Zvezda has an article so you missed that one needlessly. --Joy [shallot] 02:27, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Shallot, I was actually rushing the edit because I was on my way to work. I just got back now and be sure that I'll be finishing the edit.. Did you really think I forgot about Crvena Zvezda? Haha, no way man. I was hoping in the history the "incomplete" was enough :) --Hurricane Angel 04:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
It looked a bit weird, and I'm pretty sure that those fans would think that we were screwing with their heads if they saw the list :) --Joy [shallot] 10:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Haha, anyways. What would you think of a table instead of a list, which also includes the runner-up, and instead of miniature flags like the Football world cup it has miniature club emblems? I was thinking that might be organizing things even further, and then having a "Top Champions" where it lists them by how many times they won? --Hurricane Angel 18:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SCG and the successor issue

Joy, it's true that at that point Yugoslavia dissolved, however SCG (being the biggest proponent of Yugoslavia) kept the name and the name of the league.. which is what we're describing. I personally would much rather see the records for the dates up until 2003, after all SCG didn't exist as an entiry or as a football league (note they still use www.fsj.co.yu, both FSJ and the YU), so it's much more fitting that we include those years in the table you made.

I wouldn't mind if you created a separate article called "Yugoslav First League (FRY)" or something like that, but I think having it in First League of Serbia and Montenegro is sufficient, and it's definitely not right to keep it all in here. FSJ had kept that name when the FR Yugoslavia was formed (NB: SFRY was not renamed to FRY, the latter was a different country by all international standards), and kept it until FRY was renamed to SCG (NB this was a rename) - it was then renamed to FSSCG. Their domain is probably kept for backwards compatibility, just like the ccTLD was kept in general.
I must point out that the football federations are really SNAFU when it comes to history. For example the Croatian federation considers teams from Banovina Hrvatska, Independent State of Croatia and the Republic of Croatia all the same. Both of the federations seem to have the same motive for doing so - being able to claim historical successes as their own. Clubs do it too. However, it's not encyclopedic to ignore simple historical facts.
It would probably be best if we had the original documents pertaining to the definition of the two YFLs - if these texts differ, and they quite likely do, then I wouldn't have only common sense as the rationale for the split ;) --Joy [shallot] 10:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Also for Dinamo, because we're describing their alter-egos, I say that their nickname "Croatia" be included in their sub-list. --Hurricane Angel 04:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

But it's irrelevant, because it was first renamed to "Croatia" in 1993, two years after they had stopped participating in the Yugoslav First League. If someone wishes to know the name of Dinamo in that later period, they can click through to its article. --Joy [shallot] 10:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think two article is talk the same league system of SFRY. It is better to merge two, and clean up to showing the succession of FRY league, Croatian league, Kosovo league, Bosnian league, Slovenian League. Matthew_hk tc 15:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FK Vardar

Didn't FK Vardar of Skopje, Macedonia win a league title in 1987? Can somebody please confirm or deny this? Alex 202.10.89.28 07:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

from rsssf.com

[3] Ten clubs had started the 1986/87 season with a deduction of 6 points,

   among them Partizan and Crvena zvezda, because of the events in the
   previous season.  Vardar Skopje, who had not been deducted 6 points, won
   the title, and participated in the 1987/88 Champions Cup, but the points
   deduction was later annulled after more legal proceedings, and the title
   was given to Partizan, who headed the table with the deduction.

Matthew_hk tc 08:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The legal "proceedings" against Vardar were executed in the SERBIAN court, thus for me, as a Macedonian they are not legal. We saw 5 to 10 years latter what are Serbs prepared to do in order to "win". Hopefully for Macedonia and Macedonians it was only one championship, unlike our friends in Bosnia.... :-( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.29.243.121 (talk) 20:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)