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[edit] Yugi's Age

Who put Yugi's age at 11? It was made clear he was at high school age at the beginning of the manga. He is just a very short teenager. Actually, the entire age thing is totally wrong. To my knowledge the amount of years between YGO! and YGO! GX has not been stated. 02:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC) shisui2006

[edit] Family

Does this kid have parents? And if not, what happened to them? 71.251.47.141 01:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I think they where ededted out in the dub Dark spikey 20:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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Do we really need to have information about each and every duel in all its gory detail? The information isn't exactly encyclopedic. Plus, there are some parts that are inaccurate with respect to the actual CG.

Yugi's mother was shown in the Game Boy Advance game Yu-Gi-Oh! Dungeon Dice Monsters and as a versable opponent. J.C. 06:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Macrons vs. circumflexes

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles. It would probably be better to wait for consensus there before re-reverting. --Aponar Kestrel 08:07, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)

[edit] Moto vs. Mutou

Second, shouldn't it be at Yugi Mutou instead (going by Japanese name)?

kelvSYC 01:17, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

In the United States, the Yugioh manga in Shonen Jump uses "Yugi Mutou". WhisperToMe 03:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The following was moved from Talk:Sailor Moon.

When Japanese names are used in a Wikipedia article on a Japanese anime character that has a different name in the English anime, that is because the English manga keeps the Japanese name and romanizes it in a certain way. (For instance, the article on the main character of Yu-Gi-Oh! is at Yugi Mutou, not Yugi Moto or Yuugi Mutou) WhisperToMe 17:59, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Is it? That needs to be fixed, then -- we do have a manual of style for this sort of thing, after all. --Aponar Kestrel 23:49, 2004 Jul 25 (UTC)
As Viz's Shonen Jump spells his name that way (They sometimes use "Yugi Mutoh" too), the Manual of style in this case is over-ruled. WhisperToMe 20:45, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
No, the relevant section is as follows: In general, use the form of a person's name that is most widely known and used by English speakers. This is what people expect to see and it is what they will search for and link to. (found here) The most widely known form of the name is Yugi Moto, from the television series currently airing on Cartoon Network, as any preadolescent American male (easily the backbone of English-speaking Yu-Gi-Oh fandom) will be glad to tell you. :)
--Aponar Kestrel 22:11, 2004 Jul 26 (UTC)
The name is "Muto". Look at episode 9 in the English anime on Kaiba's computer screen. It clearly says "Seto Kaiba vs. Yugi Muto". It is always spelt like that by any fan. Case closed. Article moved. --ChaosSorcerer91 11:15 19 August 2006 (GMT)
VIZ Media romanizes his name as "Mutou" - WhisperToMe 18:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I also want to add that if you're using the anime itself as a basis for how to spell the names, it's not consistent. Like you said, in episode 9, "Yugi Muto" appears on the screen, but on the anime's official website, they spell his name "Yuhgi Mutoh". And as it's been said before, Viz media's official translation of the name is "Yugi Mutou", so that's what the article is using. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Dueling Cards

I took some time to cleanup the following area. I tried to include cards that have been played more than once, namely in important duels according to what has been shown on the show. Please, feel free to cleanup and edit accordingly. Just trying my best to make sure that it is easy to read and understand. - DrachenFyre 02:26, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

  • There is one thing I'm adding. Yugi uses Anthrosaurus and Basic Insect in first first deck, we see them in his hand in Episode 13. Granted, he doesn't actually play them (as it has been noted), but he never plays Winged Kuriboh either, and that's on the list, isn't it?

Okay, supposedly when his deck gets stolen in Yugioh GX, it has Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning. Should those cards be added?User: Drake Clawfang, April 24 2006, 9:57 PM EST

I believe, personally, that we shouldn't list EVERY SINGLE CARD shown (played or not) for all the characters. These massive lists clutter up the article. I really believe that it should be culled for cards that are important to the storylines, i.e. Kuriboh and Multiply...Magical Hats and Dark Magician (naturally)...Spellbinding Circle and Book of Secret Arts. Honestly. - The One and Only 02:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

He did use the Seal of Orichalcos once. I don't know why people take that out. 71.111.215.224 15:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I've put SoO back in the list because he did use it once. Even if it was given to him, he did use it. 71.111.215.224 16:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Why does everybody take out the Seal of Orichalcos? He did use it! 71.111.215.224 16:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a card in his deck. Geg 16:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I know that. The Eye of Timeaus wasn't exactly in his deck either. But, he did use it. 71.111.215.224 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I put in Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning. True, we never Yugi use them per say, but they are in his deck in Yugioh GX. Plus, he never uses Winged Kuriboh either, but that's on the list (and I believe it should remain that way)

Well, that means that the Seal of Orichalcos should technically be included because he did use it out of desparation. But, I'll leave somebody else to add it. 71.111.232.40 22:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two essays on the Pharaoh's name

Well, the second's more of a theory than an essay. Now that the dub name has been revealed, the Atem/Atemu controversy has been sparked up again, and with it, sufficiant evidence for the name "Atemu" being a mere case of Engrish. The first was written by Toboe LoneWolf of Janime's forum and the second was written by myself. Here's the original thread: http://janime.netzgames.net/showthread.php?t=8374

Toboe LoneWolf
"So, the ever so famous Atem vs. Atemu debate.

I, here and now, will use "Atem" until the English manga comes out or until some Japanese, Egyptian, and English fluent person translates the pertinent chapter. This is because Takahashi screwed up royally using hieroglyphs for the Pharaoh's name. Yes, he does make mistakes. So, since he can't write in hieroglyphs and in proper ancient Egyptian context, I will use Takahashi's native language's pronunciation, which is "Atem." I do this in protest because of his disrespect for this ancient language.

If you're going to take Takahashi's hieroglyphs over Takahashi's Japanese (his native language), the hieroglyphs and the culture behind it should be flawless. Unfortunately, Takahashi has made some mistakes. Because of these mistakes, Takahashi's hieroglyphic rendering of the Pharaoh's name is not credible.

Theoretically one could excuse Takahashi's numerous mistakes. But to write in ignorance of this ancient language is disrespectful. The culture behind hieroglyphs is practically sacred and holy; the scribe was revered in Egypt. To mess up the writing is definitely unacceptable.

Pictures of Takahashi's writing of Yami's past name: http://www.janime.biz/manga/manga/333/05.jpg http://www.janime.biz/manga/manga/333/07.jpg

Now, I fight from the pronunciation standpoint. If you wish to debate over the actual lettering, forget this.

The Pharaoh's name written in Japanese is the katakana form, in which you cannot end any word in a consonant except for "n." In katakana, Takahashi wrote "Atemu," which in Japanese is pronounced as "Atem."

Now, as for Takahashi's hieroglyphic writing of the Pharaoh's name, Takahashi wrote [vulture][loaf of bread][single reed][owl][quail chick]. This is commonly (and incorrectly) translated as "[A][T][E][M][u]."

Many people have pointed their fingers at the quail chick, which is pronounced as a "oo" or "u," and say "HA! SEE! IT'S A 'U!' IT HAS TO BE ATEMU!"

First mistake: incorrect number of names. Pharaohs (by the 5th dynasty) actually had five names: the Horus Name, the Nebti (Two Ladies) name, the golden Horus name, the prenomen (throne name), and the nomen (birth name). Each was preceded by a glyph telling the reader which name it was. (See below for links about Pharaoh's names.)

Which name is Atem/Atemu? It could be the birthname, being that it is in a cartouche and does not have "Ra" in it; but Takahashi forgot to precede with "sa Ra" or "son of Ra" to denote this. Also, the nomen is simply the birth name; it was the prenomen that was predominately used in most affairs as king and Pharaoh. Each name is important and has religious and cultural significance; for Takahashi to not name them (especially since this is the first time it's being told to us) is culturally wrong. (Unless Takahashi's going to write a whole new series of the Pharaoh searching for the other four names...)

Second mistake: use of vowels. Egyptians did not write vowels. The fact that Takahashi tried writing them is wrong. The use of "vowels" in hieroglyphic writing came during the Greek conquest when Egyptians would translate Greek names such as "Ptolemy" or "Cleopatra" into Egyptian pronunciation. Since the Pharaoh is definitely not Greek and is also in the 18th dynasty as stated by Takahashi, the Pharaoh cannot have "vowels" in his name. All hieroglyphs are consonants; although the reed is transliterated as "i" it is a consonant, not a vowel. The "a," the "e," and the "u" should not even be in the hieroglyphic writing of the Pharaoh's name. It is said that the arabic language today only writes down consonants as well, except for long vowels. One could argue that the "a" and the "u" are like consonants, in that they are long vowels, but the "e" is most certainly not.

Third mistake: the single reed as "e." In all of my Egyptian books, I have never come across the connection that the single reed is a "e." Every single book I've read has told me it is an "i," pronounced as "ee." The "e" in the name Atem/Atemu has an "eh" sound to it-- not "ee." Only in a children's book have I seen a double reed as an "e." Since children's books are not reliable and tend to oversimplify, Takahashi has made yet another mistake.

Fourth mistake: the "a," or [vulture]. In children's books, I have seen the [vulture] translated into "A." However, this is wrong. Literally, the transliteration symbol for the vulture is "3" and its true pronunciation is a glottal stop. This is a brief closing of the windpipe, like a little cough. For example, the English Cockney pronunciation of "t" in "little bottle" -- kind of like "li'le bo'le." There are actually two glyphs for the sound of "a" -- the vulture and the forearm, transliteration symbols 3 and 9, respectively. The forearm's pronunciation is the arabic 'ayn, or guttural "ah." The 3 (vulture) is a softer or higher sound while the 9 (forearm) is a louder and lower "A." The 3, in order to get a strong "ah" sound, often needs another hieroglyph next to it, with the transliteration symbol h. The 9 can stand by itself.

Now, the names of Atem/Atemu require a strong "A" sound, not a muted/softer one. This requires the forearm, not the vulture. If Takahashi wanted to use the vulture, he needs to put another glyph. In some textbooks the Egyptian names of Anubis, Amun, Atum, and Aten are transliterated as inpw, imn, itm, and itn, respectively. In other textbooks, for ease of understanding, these names are transliterated as 9inpw, 9imn, 9itm, and 9itn, respectively. Either way, they definitely do not use 3.

If one were to transliterate what Takahashi wrote, it would be [3timw]. My guess at pronunciation would be "At-ee-moo." If one were to pronounce the "3" as an "A" as tradition holds you to, it would be "Atimu" or "Ah-tee-moo" or possibly "Aa-tee-moo" which has no significant cultural meaning (unlike Atem/Atemu) and is just plain weird. And besides, the "Atimu" pronunciation is different from the "Atemu" pronunciation in katakana. Though if you want to use it, go right on ahead...

Now, as for some other debateable aspects of the Pharaoh's name... the "backing" for it. Both names point to the same primevoral god -- along with Temu, Tem, Tum, among others (because Egyptians didn't write vowels in hieroglyphics, combinations can be interesting...). If one were to type in the name "Atem" into some search engine on the internet, minus all YGO references, one gets links to various egyptology sites. However, if one were to do the same with Atemu, minus all YGO references, one mainly gets links to William Budge's translations and baby name sites. I would not trust baby name sites on ancient egyptian names. As for Budge's translation of "The Book of the Dead," there's debate in egyptology circles on Budge's translations (usually a Budge vs. Faulkner comparison).

As implied in the previous paragraph, "The Book of the Dead" (actually called Coming Forth by Day by Egyptians) mentions the god Atem/Atemu. Therefore meaning the hieroglyphs for Atem/Atemu are written down. Now, transliteration and translation of these hieroglyphs are your own study. I personally do not have a copy of all the hieroglyphs in Coming Forth by Day. I believe Budge's does, or at least some, and his work is on the web. (This is what the search for "Atemu" comes up with.) However, according to a YGO website, [shown below] the hieroglyphs in Coming Forth by Day for Atem/Atemu are not what Takahashi has written. If indeed, Takahashi meant to refer to this god, then he made a very bad mistake.

So that's it. Basically, "Atemu" was what Takahashi meant to write but messed up. I suppose that one can forgive Takahashi and say he meant to use Atemu, so use it; but for those that actually take the time and effort to learn this ancient language, in protest, use Atem.

  • deep breath* So there you have it. Why I use "Atem" and why you should not take Egyptian hieroglyphs so literally from some kid that read the children's book on Egyptian hieroglyphs."

Me (Madness)
"Okay, I think I've figured out something. I have my own theory on why he should be called "Atem" and not "Atemu". This is, of course, speculation, but if you simply look at it objectively, everything makes perfect logical sense. This involves my previous theory about Takahashi's poor English skills and Toboe's essay about the inaccuracies of the hieroglyphics on the katakana. It's kind of an extention of it. Toboe's was an explanation on why the hieroglyphs are unreliable, and mine's an explanation on why "Atem" is the better name. And I'm not meaning to disrespect or blame him or anything, I'm just looking at, based on pure logic, is probably what happened here.

There are obviously information sites on Ancient Egypt that are fully in Japanese. Since Takahashi can't speak or read English well, he probably gets all his info from Japanese sources with no English or romanji in it. That that would be where he gets all his info from, including the Egyptian names themselves. So here it is: What if he never intended it to be Atem or Atemu, but simply アテム? Just think about it. If he really does get all his Egypt info from a single Japanese site, he'd probably never even seen the name written out in English. Given this, it's entirely possible that he never even considered what the name would be spelled like in English. Because of this, when translating the name to put it on the cartouche, he directly translates the katakana "アテム" into the romanji "a-te-mu" and then translates that into hieroglyphics using his "children's book" (or whatever). This, coupled with Toboe's essay, is why the cartouche can't be trusted when trying to translate his name into English. The only things left are the phonetic pronounciation and the history of the names "Atem" and "Atemu". Simply looking at the pronounciation and the Japanese phonetic system, it's obvious it should be Atem, unless you want to revert to calling Malik "Mariku" and Pegasus "Pegasasu". As for the actual history and significance of the two names, like Toboe said, the only times you'll see the name Atemu in an actual historical context is in William Budge's translations of the Book of the Dead. Which, as Toboe said, is being debated. So, let's look at what we have here. We have Katakashi, who intended for the Pharaoh's name to be "アテム" and, according to my theory, didn't even think about what it would look like in English. We have extremely unreliable hieroglyphics stating "3timw". And we have William Budge using the name "Atemu" as a variant for Atum compared to pretty much all the other translators who don't even give the name "Atemu" a mention when talking about variants of the name "Atum" and almost always mention "Atem" as one.

So here's my theory in summary: The only name Takahashi really intended was アテム. All of the research he did was on Japanese sites or text. If he had done any research in English, he definitely would have seen the name "Atem" much more often than "Atemu". Most of the support for the name Atemu comes from the 5 characters on the cartouche, but the simple fact is that, no matter how you look at it, the hieroglyphs on the cartouche are inaccurate and unreliable. I'm not trying to state any of this as fact. It's just a theorized explanation for why "Atemu" (or 3timw) was written on the cartouche."

That's basically all the arguements for why the name should be romanized as Atem instead of Atem summed up in an essay and an essay-ish theory. Geg 23:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Continuation of the Atemu/Atem Argument

Since some people here might not want to go to an off-site link, here's the continuation of essays.

Yuki Ryu

"Pardon me; I made a typo in my last post. I had meant to spell "Atun" as "Atum".

The point that I was trying to make was that changing his name was exactly what you were doing. Because it has been deduced that the Egyptian god Atum inspired Atemu's name, a number of people have immediately come to the conclusion that Atemu's name is Atem, since that's one of the variant spellings Atum has. "Engrish" has fueled this theory, because of how U's and other vowels have been at times unnecessarily added to names or other words in different languages by the Japanese people.

However, what is overlooked is that are other alternate spellings Atum has, including Atem, Atmu, Tem, Temu, and Tum. Atmu is another very close spelling, so why wasn't the E thought of as the "Engrish" vowel? Isn't that as valid as calling him Atem?

There was also a god named Aten, with similar spelling to Atemu. What if that god was the original inspiration and not Atum? I don't believe Kazuki Takahashi ever stated where he got the inspiration for Atemu's name, so, really, it is up for interpretation. It could have been that he altered Aten's name instead of Atum's.Regardless, wouldn't it stand to reason that there are hieroglyphics out there of both gods and their various spellings? If so, and if Takahashi had meant to use Atum's name, why didn't he just copy the exact proper spelling?

The reason is, more than likely, that he had purposefully spelled Atemu's name as written. After all, didn't Kazuki Takahashi say in an interview once that he the inspiration for Seto's name was from the god Set? I've never seen anyone argue that Seto's real name is Set and that Engrish was used there. I've also never seen anyone argue whether or not Bakura's name was spelled accurately, and his name does not come even close to any known name back during the time of Ancient Egypt, whether belonging to a god or an ordinary human.

Yes, the spelling on the cartouche could quite possibly be historically inaccurate in terms of the actual Ancient Egypt. Kazuki Takahashi is by no means perfect, but I think it might be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt sometimes. After all Atemu's name has been a plot focal point for at least half of the story of Yu-Gi-Oh. It's rather disrespectful to say that he "did not do as much research as he should have" when it was obviously so central to his story. It is a known fact that he was fascinated by Egypt and its history, and obviously he learned a lot about it for his story, as you can see its influences everywhere.

Yes, even to the casual Ancient Egypt buff the entire story of Yu-Gi-Oh is filled with historical inaccuracies, but not because of ignorance. It's because this is a work of fiction, and the creator of this story has the right to make its reality be whatever he chooses it to be. The existence of Duel Monsters, or rather the monsters of Monsters and Wizards, in Ancient Egypt alone changes the entire history of Ancient Egypt as we know it in the real world. There are also other minor things that do not reflect real history, such as the priests weren't all shaved completely naked, and in fact, no one was running around naked as the Egyptians were wont to do at the time.

The bottom line is that the cartouche is accurate for the story of Yu-Gi-Oh! The will of the original creator is the most important thing to keep in mind, isn't it?

I hope this clarifies my perspective."


Madness

"Yeah, I thought that was a typo. I did a little research after that and couldn't find the name "Atun" anywhere. I had thought it was a varient of Aten, but I was wrong, obviously.

You definitely bring up some good points. Personally, I can't see "アテム" being a reference to any god except Atum. If he'd wanted the Pharaoh to be named after Aten, he would have written the name as "アテン". As I said, Takahashi would have to have gotten all his info from a Japanese source, so all the names would be written in Japanese, not English. Which is where he'd get アテム from.

As for the Set/Seto thing, I'm almost positive that he was talking about Seto Kaiba and not the Priest in that interview. The Priest's name could easily go either way, since セト is the Japanese phonetic equivalent to Set. Just like Aishisu -> Isis. And just as a side note, I did go looking for varients of Bakura's name about a year ago to see if I could find anything relating his name to that region. The closest thing I found was Bakra, a village in India, I think. But it's not from that region, so it doesn't really mean anything.

As for why he didn't simply write the hieroglyphs for "Atum" or "Atem" on the cartouche, I don't know. I found the hieroglyphs for his name here: http://www.egyptianmyths.net/atum.htm. This is where things just get confusing. I looked up some other names, and all the gods whose name started with an A began with the single reed, not the vulture. This is kind of getting into what Toboe Lonewolf talked about earlier. If Takahashi had done that much research, he'd have known that, but instead chose to use the vulture instead of the reed. That just boils it down to either A) He did it on purpose for some reason, like you said, or B) He didn't do enough research on hieroglyphs and god names, like Toboe Lonewolf said.

But yes, I know that most of the descrepencies between the show and actual history are due to the fact that the show is fictional. However, most of the names used during the Ancient Egypt arc (except for Bakura, which is Japanese, and Kisara, which is European I think) are either Egyptian or Middle Eastern. The thought that he would use "Atemu", which is basically a completely made up name, for the main character of the series just doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno. I never really realized how many different variables there were to the Atem/Atemu debate until this thread.

edit: Ack, I didn't read all of your post. You're definitely right, the cartouche is accurate for the story of Yu-Gi-Oh!. If Takahashi wanted to make hieroglyphs work differently in the Yu-Gi-Oh! universe, that's entirely possible. But that just raises the question of why. If Takahashi indeed knew the correct way to write the names in hieroglyphs, why did he write it incorrectly in the manga?"


Yuki Ryu

"Yes, Seto Kaiba was who Kazuki Takahashi was talking about in the interview, but he has the same name as Priest Seto so the point is basically the same.

Judging by the amount of knowledge that [Kazuki Takahashi]'s shown in the past, and the obvious alterations he has made, I am quite inclined to believe that it was on purpose. My theory as to why he made Atemu's name the way he did was to make it distinctly different from Atum. Maybe it was so no one thought that he was Atum reborn, or it was a preference he had. Who knows?

Some people dismiss things too easily, or believe one side's argument because they have apparently done a lot of research, which in turn spreads this one view of information around until it seems to be fact.

I think many of the names were chosen for a reason beyond the idea of picking names native for Egypt at the time. Chances are Seto, Bakura, and Isis all had the same names in the past as they did in the present, just with different spellings purposefully. It's similar to how Yami Bakura and Ryou Bakura both are referred to with different spellings of "Bakura". There could be other reasons as well.

There was a thread about the names of the Ancient Egypt cast on this forum if I remember right. I remember someone had mentioned a theory that Mahado's name was made because it was "Mado ha" rearranged, which is the name of the attack of the Black Magician. The name itself also seems to have Persian, Somalian, and Indian origins. The alternative spelling people have for him is Mahad, which has Islamic, Somalian, and Austrialian origins. Neither spelling seems to have any origins from Egypt itself.

Mana is name from many cultures: Persian, Polynesian, Hebrew, Native American, Norse, Greek, and apparently a number of places. I haven't found any place in Egypt this name comes from, however. The name also refers to energy, specifically mystical energy, which makes it an ideal name for the girl who would become Black Magician Girl. This also lends to the idea that Mahado was "Madoha" rearranged to be just as cleaver in regards to them having names relating to magic, in my opinion.

While I'm on the subject of name origins I'll go through as many names as I can think of for the others as well.

The origins for Bakura's name are Hebrew, (which, amusingly enough, is a girl's name in the Hebrew culture) Hindu, Arabic, and of course Japanese. Interestingly enough Bakura is also the name of a planet in Star Wars. Another interesting bit of information is that it is that Bakura's name may come from "Baku", which is the name for a city that has existed long enough to be mentioned in the Book of the Dead as "Bakhay" or "the mountain of Bakhou of the rising Sun". Since Ra is the god of the sun in Egypt, it could be that his name is a play on that mentioning with "Baku" for the name of the city and "Ra" for the rising sun.

The name Seto's origins are Japanese, Chinese, and Australian. The origin of Set I imagine would be too blatantly obvious to list. Seth is Hebrew and an alternate spelling of Set. However, as I said before, Kazuki Takahashi chose to name Seto "Seto" based off of Set, so he probably didn't look to real life here.

Karim is Arabic, Iranian, and Muslim. Karimu is Swahili (female). Kalimu is Mongolian. Kalim is Arabic and Muslim.

Shadi is Arabic, Persian, Native American, Iranian, Arabic, Persian, Muslim, Parsi (though as a female name), and Hebrew. Shada is Native American and Yoruban. In both places it's a female name, so it may in fact be that Kazuki did not pick that name as a real name to give to the character. He may have picked that name as an alternate spelling to Shadi.

Shimon is Hebrew. Interestingly enough it also has Biblical origins having to do with Egypt.

Kisara/Kisala is Japanese. To spice things up I'll mess around with some Engrish here. Ksara/Ksala is Sanskrit. Kisra is Islamic, Iranian, and Arabic. Kisla is Norse. Kisar is Indic, Babylonian, and Mesopotamian. Kisal is found as part of the name of Lugal-kisal-si of the third Egyptian Dynasty. Kisara could come from Kisaragi, which is basically February, but really the name itself doesn't seem to hold any specific meaning.

Aishizu and Ishizu don't exist as actual names, but Isis does, though it exists only in Egyptian origin.

Since I'm mentioning Isis, I might as well go a tad off-topic and mention Malik and Rishid too, after all they are descended from this line after all. Malik's name origin is Arabic, Islamic, Swahili, and Hebrew. The alternative spelling of his name, Marik, has origins in Japanese. It is also a variant spelling of other names in Czechoslovakian, Hungarian, Slovakian, Polish, Danish (female), and Latin (female).

Rishid's name's origins are Arabian and Islamic. Rishido, the alternate spelling, seems to not exist outside of the series. Possibly this name came from Rashid, which is Arabic, Persian, Swahili, and Iranian. It means "servant", which would match the meaning of Malik's name ("master") very well.

With Akunamukanon and Akunadin I couldn't find any trace of them, even in various modifications, so it might be safe to say that Kazuki Takahashi made them up outright or based them thinly off of other names. This one page seems to have some merit in regards to the possible reasoning behind their names: http://www.alltrees.org/anime/redgold/YGO.names.shtml

Last, but certainly not least, Atemu, which is Egyptian in origin and appears on a number of baby name websites, which means "Mythical great God of Annu." Atem, of course, is an alternate way to spell Atum.

Before I'm asked why I just went out of my way to Google a lot of seemingly random information about names, I will go ahead and state my point. My point is that there are a number of ways a name can be read as and almost all of them have some sort of meaning. They also have numerous origins, whether or not they stem from reality or Kazuki Takahashi's own ideas, and almost none of the names have any sort of root in Egypt itself.

Ironically Atemu, spelled as A-T-E-M-U is a real name in Egypt, which is used currently to name babies in the modern era. The only other name that can boast the same is Isis.

I think it might be safe to say that Atemu is the name Kazuki Takahashi intended to use. He may even have used this name specifically that has such widespread use in Modern times as the basis for the cartouche's symbols, which could explain why some people have pointed out that it seems to be historically inaccurate.

I apologize for how lengthy this post has become. I hope that all this information will be of some use to people."


Madness

"Wow, a lot of that was pretty educational.

First a bit of a side note: Tatsunoboshi Horoko explained the Ishizu/Aishisu thing to me a while back. The Japanese phonetic system allows two kinds of pronounciations: the spelling pronounciation and the phonetic pronounciation. "Ishizu" was written based off of the way the name "Isis" is spelled. "Aishisu" was written based off the way the name "Isis" is pronounced. Basically, they can use two different pronounciations to refer to the same basic name. While they're technically two different names in the Japanese version, when translated into English, they can both be translated to "Isis" which can cause a lot of confusion. The anime and the manga use "Ishizu" for the Ishtar and "Isis" for the Priestess, either out of ignorance of the Ishizu/Aishisu thing, or just to avoid confusion. I'm hoping it's just to avoid confusion.

And yeah, Atemu is found on a lot of baby name sites. I don't know how reliable those really are though.

Still, eh, I dunno. Like I said, there are just too many things to think about in the whole Atem/Atemu debate. Personally, I still believe Takahashi only intended the name to be アテム without considering its English spelling. Still... eh, it's just really hard to say. There's too much different stuff going on all at once."


Yuki Ryu

"Thank you.

I did not know that. That makes a lot of sense.

Sadly I think that they did it out of ignorance, if their usage of Mai "Shiranui" and insistence to change names to the ones 4Kids chose then flounder back and forth (like with Pegasus' names) doesn't put much faith in me for the Viz translations. 4Kids' translations, needless to say, are almost completely inaccurate.

As reliable as the other baby names they list I suppose.

Yes, Kazuki Takahashi might not have thought of the English spelling of Atemu's name. That doesn't mean that the name necessarily needs be changed into something different when translated into English, however."

The Splendiferous Gegiford

Awfully informative thread this is.

Some of them are okay. Some aren't. The naming argument isn't so convincing (except in the case of Kotsuzuka. obviously VIZ is intending for Mai to be Mai Kujaku - the Shiranui thing is a confusion with... Mai Shiranui!) - And I can count the number of dub name characters with my fingers (Ishizu and Marik don't count). WhisperToMe 04:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I saw the episode and the name is "Atem". That's all. 71.111.215.224 16:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Um, 71.111.215.22, you should really get your facts right. You're judging it by it's pronounciation, so you obviously haven't read this thread so far. We are trying to decide whether it is spelt how its pronounced or not, so you're not really helping. We already know that it is pronounced Atem as you said, but whether that is how it is written or not is what you are trying to decide. You would no it's Atemu if either; a) You've seen the Japanese episode, in which sulent letters don't exist, or b) you can actually read Egyptian heiroglyphs, which I can. It is pronounced "Atem" (well actually it's pronounced "Aw-temm", since that's how Egyptian lettering is pronounced) but there is a silent "u", since "u" was always silent in Ancient Egyptian writing. Let's bring up the name "Muto", which is Yugi's last name, as it is always written in and by fans of the dub. The Japanese goes by the name Mutou, but we don't use the Japanese name here, do we? Except in brackets after the first few words of the article. It is spelt Muto in the English anime, pronounced Motoh, and spelt Motoh in the english manga. Now that is because any 'unreal' words in a manga are spelt phonetically, as anyone who's ever read manga would know. Why do you think they use exclamations like "Ba da dum" who "Ba-boom" rather than "Crash" or "Bang". It has to read and heard like it is said, so they spell any exclamations or unfamiliar words phonetically, and therefore the manga should not be taken into account when deciding the spelling of the name. So, 71.111.215.224, I have seen the episode that you speak of in both English AND Japanese, and I can say with utmost confidence that the name is "Atemu". Now I am changing this name throughout this thread alone, and will change the rest when we have a vote. I do not want anyone to change it back until we have the vote, but take it from Yu-Gi-Oh! Number 1 fan. The name is, as Joey puts it : "Bird, Rock, Lamb chop, Bird and a bigger Bird", or if you'd prefer the actual description: "Eagle, Loaf, Papyrus reed, Owl, Canary", or "ATEMU". That is all. Goodnight. --ChaosSorcerer91 11:15 19 August 2006 (GMT)
It's already been noted that the hieroglyphs are used incorrectly. The characters on the hieroglyphs actually spell out "3TIMW", as noted before. You can interpret that either as Takahashi intending an English spelling of "Atemu", or as a simple case of Engrish. It depends on your personal interpretation of it. And like I pointed out earlier, it's entirely possible that Takahashi only thought about the name as アテム rather than how it would appear as English, either as Atem/Atum, when has a lot of significance in that culture, or Atemu, which means virtually nothing. Either way, the spelling and pronunciation in the English anime are both "Atem", and it's expected that the English manga will follow suit. The Splendiferous Gegiford 22:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I personally think the "U" is a case of Engrish. I mean, look at Inuyasha: you have Souta, Kouga, Souten, and Kikyou. And then you have Sota, Koga, Soten, and Kikyo. It's simply an alternate spelling resulting from the confusion in the translation. Happens all the time, especially with "U" and "R/L". As such, I think we should do with the Atem/Atemu case what happened with the other English characters: use the Manga's version of the name, (whatever it may be, I haven't read the manga), and note the alternate spelling on the article. User: Drake Clawfang.

I'm thinking the manga will probably go with the same name the anime used, like they did with Maximillion Pegasus/Pegasus J. Crawford. Or at least, I'm hoping they will. God knows we have enough anime/manga name differences already. The Splendiferous Gegiford 22:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I can say one thing. It does certainly NOT spell out "3TIMU". Numbers are not written as single characters, but rather a collection of characters. 3 is actually represented by a Sun above a tool and a loaf of bread, with three lines next to it. The character in the picture stands undoubtably for "A". Trust me. As for the "I" in the middle, you are getting confused. "I" is represented by two papyrus reeds, not one. "E", on the other hand, is one. it spels out "ATEMU". Also, you said that the spelling in the English anime is "Atem". That is totally untrue, as it is NEVER written in the English anime other than on the cartouche, where it is spelt "Atemu". Yugi's last name is pronounced "Motoh" in the English anime, but nobody spells it like that. No, they spell it "Muto" which is how it is written in the English anime (more specifically, Episode 9, on Kaiba's computer screen). And, as previously noted, Manga always spells names phonetically. I think that is enough evidence. --ChaosSorcerer91 11:15 19 August 2006 (GMT)
It's spelled as "Atem" by the closed captions, which gets its naming information directly from the scripts. And no, the manga does not always spell names phonetically. Is Pegasus "Pegasasu"? Is Marik "Mariku"? No. The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
That's because they're not pronounced that way lol. And closed captions aren't taken from the original script. There are WAY too many errors for it to be what was originally written in the script. No, the closed captions are done by ear 99% of the time. --ChaosSorcerer91 11:15 19 August 2006 (GMT)
Not true. They often get names and stuff off the script. For example, when episode 51 airs, the closed captionings sometimes has Marik's name before his line if he's off screen. But Marik's name isn't given until episode 57. Meaning they had to have gotten it from another source.
And yes, that is technically how they're pronounced. ペガサス=Pegasasu. マリク=Mariku. And just like "Pegasasu" can easily be changed to "Pegasus" and "Mariku" to "Marik/Malik", so can "アテム / Atemu" be easily changed to "Atem". The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm talking about English names. Not Japanese names. We all know the Japanese name is Atemu. That has been a well known confirmed fact for years now. We are trying to decide on the dub name. Also, is it possible they could have gotten Marik's name from a later episode? They must have written the subtitles before the episode aired anyway.
Anyway, Atemu is a real name in the real world, pronounced Atem. Atem isn't. And the heiroglyphs should be taken into account when deciding. That's like saying French writing should be ignored. You only feel that way because you can't read it! Finally, manga should NOT be taken into account because they are spelt phonetically. They spell Jyounouchi like Jonouchi. Why? Because it is photetic! But everyone knows that the name is Jyounouchi, as refrenced from the Yu-Jyo refrence, and from practically every Japanese (and English in fact) Yu-Gi-Oh! magazine you can by.--ChaosSorcerer91 09:15 20 August 2006 (GMT)
No, it's never been a "confirmed fact" that his Japanese name is meant to be "Atemu", or "Atem" for that matter. It's all speculation. And the hieroglyphs shouldn't really be taken into account since, as it's been pointed out, there are too many errors and too much possibility for Engrish. As for the Jounouchi thing, spelling his name with "Jyo" is technically incorrect. じょ makes the sound "jo" not "jyo". I still don't understand your "phonetic spelling" arguement. That's what converting Japanese to English is; it's all phonetics. The Splendiferous Gegiford 16:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Basically, Manga is meant to read like a real anime, so everything is done phonetically. That's why they use "ba-bam" and "da-dum", instead of "crash" and "bang". The same goes for the spelling of names. The names, in manga, are spelt phonetically, which is why Atemu's name is spelt "Atem" in the manga. Therefore when deciding the spelling of names, manga should not be taken into account.

I ask you to look anywhere on the interent. EVERY forum and EVERY website EXCEPT FOR WIKIPEDIA spells the name "Atemu". What's the point of spelling it here how no one else spells it? --ChaosSorcerer91 7:16 20 September 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Egyptian God Cards at the Time of Yugioh GX

Where are the God Cards at the time of Yugioh GX? Are they still in Yugi's deck, or did they vanish when Atemu went to the afterlife? I remember in the English anime when Yugi's deck was on tour, they simply said the God Cards would not be on the tour. Perhaps it is noteworthy to mention their existence, or non-existence, in Yugioh GX.

No explanation for their whereabouts is given, so there is nothing to add. Setokaiba✌≝ 19:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Well if Syrus knew about the God Cards Yugi could have still possesed them.

after the ceremonial battle the Pharoah left with his deck (i think, or it hasn't been mentioned), which had the 3 god cards in it. J.C. 06:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Millennium World cards

Should we make a second entry under this heading for Atem's deck in the Ceremonail Battle? I think it would make sense, seeing as how Yugi gets his own deck list as well.

There wouldn't be very much, though. Maybe just rename the section "Yugi's Deck" or something. The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

How would it not be much? I'm thinking we make a second header there, listing the card Atem uses in the ceremonial battle.

There'd be no point in making a second header for such a small amount of cards. It makes more sense to keep all of Atem's card together in one section and all of Yugi's cards together in another. The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

How would it be a small amount of cards? Here's the list right now.

Monsters The Winged Dragon of Ra, Slifer the Sky Dragon, Obelisk the Tormentor, The Tricky, Swift Gaia the Fierce Knight, King's Knight, Queen's Knight, Jack's Knight, Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast, Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts, Berfomet, Beast of Gilfer, Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl,

Spells Rebellion, Bounce, Card of Sanctity, Tricky Spell 4, Pot of Greed, Polymerization, Awakening From Beyond, Dark Magic Curtain, Book of Secret Arts, Thousand Knives, Black Spear, Magicians Unite,

Traps Summoning Clock, Mirror Force, Dark Illusion,

There's the list, and it doesn't seem like a small amount to me.

I'll add in the list for now, and if you see fit to remove it, then very well, but I believe Atem's new deck should be noted.

[edit] GX

Would anyone be adverse to listing his deck in GX as a seperate list? Drake Clawfang 22:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

  • I think this article needs a better manga picture of Yugi. JuJube 05:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Yugi diabetic?

In Chapter 34 of the English-language manga, Joey asks in concern, "Are you okay, Yugi? Do you need your insulin or something?". Does this mean Yugi is diabetic?

No he is just trying to say Yugi is weak --122.148.149.39 12:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Yugi vs. Yami Yugi

To my knowledge, he usually goes under the name "Yami Yugi" or just "Yami" in the anime. Now, I'm not familiar with the manga. Is Yami referred to as "Dark Yugi" in the manga? --TotalSpaceshipGuy3 00:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I think he's called Dark Yugi in manga I have only got three and I just read the first one Dark spikey

[edit] Yugi vs. Atem

Yugi Mutou may in fact be the reincarnation of the Pharaoh Atem as this quote from Ishizu suggests.

Ishizu says that maybe fate chose Yugi as the vessel for the Pharaoh's spirit not because he needed the Pharaoh's help, but because Yugi himself is the modern-day version of the Pharaoh, equal in every way. The two were brought together because they represent opposite sides of the same soul. (Japanese Ishizu says the vessel of the Pharaoh's soul must be equally strong. Yugi may have been small at first, but after carrying the Pharaoh's soul for so long, he's become strong.)

Marik starts to protest, but Ishizu finishes for him: they're so different from each other, because Yugi is shy and the Pharaoh is assertive and confident? The truth is, they each have a quality the other needed, so they learn from each other. (Japanese Marik says, Yugi? Ishizu says that humans who pass the tests can enlarge their vessel without limit. Sometimes the vessel can contain the possibility of a miracle.) Marik asks if she's saying they're complete now. Ishizu says, they'll soon find out if their journey together is truly over. Then fate will allow Yugi to defeat all three Egyptian god cards and win the duel. (Japanese Marik asks, miracle? Will a miracle befall to Yugi? Ishizu has no further dialog.)

-Yu-Gi-Oh! Episode 222 The Final Duel, Part 2 (Bring Down the Three Gods!)

Source: http://www.yu-jyo.net/005/222.html

--205.211.141.243 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC) Justin Thekkumthala

[edit] continuation of the atemu/atem argument

have you people ever think that atemu could still be a name but a nickname kind of thing?

[edit] GX first appearance

hey in the first episode when Jaden bumped into Yugi, Yugi's voice sounded like the Pharoah's. i know yugi's aged since the original yugioh, but what does that cameo mean? Does that mean Yami's back? J.C. 06:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought that meant that Yugi had grown up to look and sound like Atem. ~ Somebody else

  • Him sounding like Atem is another idiotic 4Kids screwup. In the original he sounds simply like an older Yugi. JuJube (talk) 22:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] date

which episode does yugi date tea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.217.63 (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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