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[edit] Naming Choices

What is the source for the naming choices being due to Seto's grudge against Yugi. So far, I've only seen the Obelisk and Slifer facilities. They have said repeatedly that Ra is the highest students, Obelisk the second, and Slifer the last, and that's conguent with the degree of power attributed to the cards. Hackwrench 17:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

In the English-language series? Or the Japanese? Or both? As far as I know, the Blue Dorm has been named as the highest in at least the Japanese version. WhisperToMe 04:15, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I made a mistake. While the order of the power of the monster is as I stated as far as I know, Obelisk is the highest ranked students, but they only mentioned that once so far. (They have only shown 4 episodes (M-Th) and repeated them all today (F))Hackwrench 22:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC) Still I don't know where the idea that the order is due to the grudge Seto has with Yugi. While Slifer was the first Egyptian God card Yugi got (from Marik's henchman), I didn't really get that it was associated with him greatly, and he won Obelisk from Kaiba next, and then Ra from Marik. He held all three until Dartz had his henchmen take them all. Hackwrench 22:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh... THAT! Yugi has Slifer, Kaiba has Obelisk, and Marik has Ra. WhisperToMe 23:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I didn't see many episodes after the Waking the Dragons (Doma ) arc. Did the cards get redistributed? The second series article says that Yugi has all three in the Millennium World arc. Hackwrench 18:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure how Yugi gets them back in the anime. In the comic, Yugi never loses his three cards, as Doma/Waking the Dragons never happens in the manga. WhisperToMe 19:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

ik not sure if its been said but, its Blue (Oblisk) for top, Yellow (Ra) in the middle, and Red (Osiris) for the bottom. Obviously because of Kaiba's Dislike of Yugi.

No, it isn't obvious. The only time Yugi doesn't have all the God cards (and Doma in the anime, but that is all lost to Dartz and he regains them all) is at the beginning of the arc where they are first introduced. While he gets Slifer first, and Kaiba gets Obelisk before turning it over to Yugi, the cards aren't terribly identified with each of them, and they don't seem to identify themselves with the cards. Kaiba has always wanted all three since he knew of their existance. Hackwrench 23:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marik in episode 18

Does Marik count as the return of a main character? When Sho is talking about all the things Yugi's deck went through. (Duelist Kingdom, Battle City, God Cards)

No, he counts as a guest star or cameo. Flashbacks to other shows count as cameos, not guest stars. 71.111.209.99 14:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Generally, flashbacks aren't even counted as cameos as far as I know... but whatever. At any rate, Malik remains a flashback only appearance thus far - the only characters from the previous series to make real appearances thus far are: the Meikyuu Brothers, Pegasus J. Crawford, Kaiba Seto, and Mutou Sugoroku - the Meikyuu Brothers duel Juudai and Sho early in the series; Pegasus appears on a video screen to inform Hayato of his (Pegasus's) offer of a position as a card illustrator to him (Hayato); Kaiba appears solely in flashbacks or references until Episode 76, where he allows Saiou to use Kaiba Land (although Kaiba doesn't know what for; it turns out to be for the trap to lure Juudai and Ed using Sho and Kenzan as bait); and Sugoroku appears when Juudai-tachi arrive in Domino Town in Episode 75, and appears in each episode until Episode 79, when the group starts to return to Duel Academia.

[edit] Yu-Gi-Oh GX manga (US)

What will happen if the manga (US verison) uses the Japanese original names? Should we change it?

If that happens, we'll keep the pages as they are, and just make a note of it on the main page (ie. this one here). -Benten

Well, keep in mind that the manga is an adaptation of the anime, NOT the other way around.

The original Yu-Gi-Oh! manga is the very first Yu-Gi-Oh! related product, and the 2nd series anime is adapted from the manga. That's why Wikipedia uses the English manga names.

But... the GX manga was made a spinoff from the anime. I'm not sure what to do here if VIZ chooses to use a different convention. WhisperToMe 21:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

  • If they decide to use a different convention, the article names for the characters can remain the same (since in GX's case, the manga is a spinoff of the anime, and there are too many anime-exclusive characters, meaning the formatting would be horrendous for the bracketed Japanese names between articles), but any changes can be noted within the pages themselves. For example, if they kept the names the same as the Japanese names, then the first sentence of the Jaden Yuki page would look something like this:

Jaden Yuki, known in Japan and the English-language manga as Judai Yuki (遊城十代 Yūki Jūdai), is a fictional character and protagonist in the anime series Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX in Japan) and the manga series of the same name.

If they decide to make the names follow the dub anime, then it would instead remain as it is now, for there would be no need to mention it given the current wording:

Jaden Yuki, known in Japan as Judai Yuki (遊城十代 Yūki Jūdai), is a fictional character and protagonist in the anime series Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX in Japan) and the manga series of the same name.

Anyways, the only time in which we would need to make changes would be if they kept the original names. Aside from that, the current formatting works out fine. --Benten 16:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

    • I agree with this concept :) WhisperToMe 16:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Turns out VIZ is using the dub names with the manga WhisperToMe 23:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

This page has been protected as a revert war over alternate language characters is happening. Please disucuss this change here. — xaosflux Talk 23:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Although this deals with the trouble, I do not think an all out protection from editing is the right way to go. When new info comes in, the users contributing productively to this page will need to be able to make changes. Thus, I do not believe this is a problem meriting such dire action; randomly select an anime page on Wikipedia (even the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series), and it will likely have the Japanese title and other Japanese details. This page and all the other GX pages have incorporated both versions to be objective information-wise, and no one had any objections before 74.112.95.113 just suddenly decided to start erasing. I do not believe everyone else should have to be stuck under the same punishment just because one user has something against the format of the article that's just as valid as any other article containing information on both the English and Japanese versions. Thus I will request unprotection. --Benten 23:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  • If anyone has actually seen the entry you can clearly see that all that there is is a series of squares. Im sure that if there were any sort of legible print were there then no deleting would have been made. With a little bit of editing to the input of new data, these japanese, mandarin or any other type of new typings may be made visible to all of the public in a new way to educate and inform all people of this new way to communicate. I'm sure that this was not a stike of vandalism but a was to straighten out the encyclopedia for the better. For that reason I feel that the squares that seem to show no real purpose should be refined to show their real purpose, unless there just happens to be no purpose then they should be deleted. I'm sure that those who frequently edit entries will be thankful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princeoffire13 (talk • contribs)
    • They're not squares, they're Unicode and not every computer is equipped to view them. My mom's computer can see the Japanese characters, but mine can't. Not being able to view special characters is NOT justification to erase them. Danny Lilithborne 01:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Well said. Lots, if not most of the anime and manga articles use the same format. It's all a matter of whether one's computer can read the text or not, and if someone can't read it, then that's no reason to downright remove every instance of it in the article. --Benten 02:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Please note, protection is NOT meant to be any sort of a LONG-TERM solution to this disagreement, just an immediate stop to back and forth reverting. Discussion here is generally the best method, a WP:RFC can be opened if more outside views are needed. Page unprotection can be requested at WP:RFPP, if nothing else I will likely be removing this myself in a few days. — xaosflux Talk 05:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I should note that Princeoffire13 appears to be the account of the anonymous user who's vandalizing the article. Danny Lilithborne 05:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Also note, all browsers display things diferently, here is a view from my browser of the current article:

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Note, NONE of the special characters appear AT ALL. — xaosflux Talk 05:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

    • Really? I'm working off my laptop currently, and it cannot view the special characters text, but it doesn't make a difference. When I use my other computer, however, which is equipped to view the text, I see it fine. I don't see a problem with it. Singling out this one article in the pool of all the other articles that have special characters text in them (eg. Inuyasha, Fullmetal Alchemist, etc.) is completely absurd. (Edit: If you are refering to the image that Danny posted, and not to the article itself as it is, didn't he already explain that his own browser couldn't display the text? I think he's just demonstrating how different computers show things differently.) --Benten 15:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm the one that placed that screenshot image, and just to illustrate that all browsers disply diferently. — xaosflux Talk 16:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh, okay. I must have missed your signature at the bottom. But either way, it is clear that different browsers display things differently. But that shouldn't be reason to just up and remove the text. I still stand by my argument that, if every other anime and manga page on Wikipedia has the right to have special characters text, then this one should have that same right. Xaosflux, would you mind clarifying whether you are supporting or against having special characters on the page? At this point I can't really tell, and it makes it more difficult for me to reply to parts of the discussion if I am unable to recognize both sides of the argument. --Benten 16:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I personally don't care one way or the other, came across this from a WP:AIV referral, and ran in to what is clearly a content dispute, and not vandalism. As it has been a few days, I've released the protection. Please keep in mind that WP:3RR is NOT the 3 revert right, if a contenet or formating dispute needs help, assistance can be sought in dispute resolution. — xaosflux Talk 01:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cast list

  • I suspect an edit war might be a-brewing over this, so I'm inviting people here to discuss if they prefer the old version or Benten's revision (I personally prefer the latter since it dispenses with a lot of Yugicruft). JuJube 00:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler placement

The spoiler tags on a bunch of the character pages are placed in some odd places- some of them in the middle of the second season. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a brief overview, then put a spoiler tag, and add details of individual events? Y BCZ 04:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character pages

Most of the focus on the character pages is currently placed on the cards they use. I understand that this follows the example set by character profiles for the original series, but...well, it just doesn't look very good to have three quarters of the scroll bar consist of a huge list of cards. I've worked a lot over on the Avatar pages, and you can see one of the more in-depth ones here: [1]. Same rating as Judai, but currently up for GA nomination. Now, notice that almost the entire article is written in prose, rather than a summary of his character followed by a list. Note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia- it should be a reliable and useful reference for its users. The character pages currently provide only a very brief overview of their respective characters. Not only that, but there's that whole "Fans believe" thing, which is generally considered bad when you're discussing canonical stuff in the same paragraph. Fan stuff usually goes in its own section. All of the articles could use a good shake-up and extension, and unless somebody objects to this or takes action in the next few days, I'm going to take the task upon myself. Y BCZ 03:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm all for this idea. JuJube 03:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Good. I call dibs on Manjyome! ...-Sigh-...I mean, "Chazz"...Y BCZ 04:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fake character

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yu-Gi-Oh%21_GX&diff=115775018&oldid=115718592

I created an AFD for Gunther Pierre. WhisperToMe 14:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

I wonder, should we have a section about the censorship in the American version? By censorship, I mean like in episode 9 of the anime, where Chumley Huffington's father works with "hot sauce" instead of spirit (I'm guessing Sake). Chumley's Father's deck has also been changed, which is somewhat amusing, as it can leave one to wonder how the monsters became clearly intoxicated from hot sauce. --Hecko 06:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chazz's True Voice Actor

I would like to state that I believe Pete Capella voiced Chazz and not Jaden. There is no written proof anywhere (besides fan-submitted info) stating either Pete Capella OR Tony Salerno played either Jaden or Chazz. This is because in 4Kids' credits, they only list the names of the VA, and not the characters they played; it also seems to be in alphabetical order, so there's no way to determine it without knowing a VA's prior roles. However, there is evidence to suggest Capella does voice Chazz and not Jaden, and all of it is found in his MySpace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=626171

  • Capella stated in February that he was leaving for auditions in California, and is currently living there. This is logically around the same time the current seasonal dub of GX would have been in production, and if Chazz was indeed played by Capella, would explain his voice change in this season. Also note that Jaden's voice has not changed in the slightest, which is difficult to explain if Capella is his voice actor.
  • Also on the page is a video of his role as Silver the Hedgehog in the game Sonic the Hedgehog(2006)|Sonic the Hedgehog]], and in comparison, is quite similar to Chazz's original voice; more so, at least, than it is with Jaden's voice.

I would also like to note that I believe Chazz is currently being voiced by Marc Thompson, using a variation of his Cobra Commander voice in G.I. Joe Sigma 6 with traces of his voice for Duke Devlin from the previous YGO series. Understand that this is also impossible to prove, as his name is also listed in the credits, but like the others, has no defined role, nor does he have a website of his own. I feel, however, that I have provided sufficient evidence from what is available, and will attempt to change this and all related articles to reflect this new information. I don't know if this means Tony Salerno is the one who voices Jaden, or if it's someone else entirely, but I know for certain that it's not Pete Capella.Batwing321 05:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VA Confusion: We need consensus, people!

Okay, I talked to Pete Capella over MySpace. Basically, he didn't tell me he played, but he mentioned that a lot of the info about him on Wiki is wrong (he's even tried to change it himself, but it kept getting messed up.) In short, he said it was pretty much a losing battle (but gave props for trying.) I've also spoken to another user here who said that usually VA's for characters are figured out by comparing them to known roles, and that even though it's technically original research and against the rules, it's often accepted if there's a common consensus about it. I think it's high time we try to figure this thing out about Chazz and Jaden's true VAs (Again, for the record, I tried to get it from the Capella's mouth, but didn't get a straight answer.) We can't just go by "This info was here first" clause, because it stands to be revised. I mean, just listen to Silver (Capella's totally confirmed role); if we compared him to Jaden and Chazz, who would it be said to be? Sure, we gotta try to get proof (if anyone wants to talk to Capella themselves, power to ya), but we also need to apply some logic here, a little "original research". Maybe without total proof it won't do squat, but if we can't go by 4Kids' ambiguous crediting system, and we don't have an answer from the man himself, what's there left to do? Listen up and figure it out ourselves with what we do verifiably know. All I have to go on is Silver; if anyone has another character that you're sure sounds like Chazz or Jaden, or you know one of their supposed VA's confirmed roles, speak up! Maybe he's right and that it is a losing battle to change it, but I'm not going to back down just yet, thank you very much. So tell me: who wants to figure this out once and for all, and not just settle for the wrong info rotting it the water like this?Batwing321 03:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Edits

As you may have noticed, I've changed this page around quite a bit. The main reason being when people look up a show on wikipedia, the first thing they want to see is what the story is about and a link to the list of episodes. For some reason on here, you had the history and production of the show up first. Who wants to read about that first thing?Wild ste 15:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] HPL

"strong thematic presence built on destiny, with ties to the Cthulhu Mythos of H. P. Lovecraft and associated horror fiction authors writing in the Lovecraftian milieu, "Okay,when ? New Babylon 2 13:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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