Talk:Ysabella (trobairitz)

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Interesting...why is it speculated that she may be Isabella of Jerusalem? Adam Bishop (talk) 07:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll look more into it later today. The Bruckner-Shepard-White source just says "widow of Conrad of Montferrat", which would mean her. I assumed that there was some speculation about Elias perhaps going on to Jerusalem (since he was part of the Fourth Crusade). I also assumed the theory to be outdated (romantic meeting in the east between commoner and queen), but my source is rather recent. Srnec (talk) 12:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I expanded the article greatly and I checked the source for Isabella of Jerusalem. It only refers to "Isabella of Montferrat", the supposed "widow of Bonifaces' brother, Conrad", referring to Boniface of Thessalonica. This is odd, since Conrad had only one widow and it was Isabella of Jerusalem, that must be to whom the text is referring, though "of Montferrat" disconcertingly applied to the wife of a Montferrat who was more significantly the queen of Jerusalem (not mentioned!). Somebody somewhere along the line has confused their Montferrats and their Isabellas. I leave the reference there for now, however, since it is sourced and there may be something I do not know that corroborates it. Notice also how interconnected the possible candidates for the trobairtiz are: a sister of Conrad and Boniface (brothers), a widow of Conrad, a vassal of Boniface, and a daughter of a vassal of Boniface. Srnec (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)