Talk:YS Flight Simulation System 2000

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[edit] Vista complatible

it works on vista! —Preceding unsigned comment added by RacerzGTR (talk • contribs) 12:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

It is Wikipedia policy that screenshots should be kept to a minimum, and for illustrative purposes only. This article uses too many screenshots, not all of which are of the same quality. It is necessary to remove some, whilst keeping at most three in the article. I believe the three highest quality are the F/A22 over Edwards airbase, the Pakistan International Airlines 747, and the red arrow at take off. Unfortunately, while it would be good to show some formation shots, the two we have are not high quality, since it is difficult to see what is happening. I'm going to go ahead and remove them. Tbone762 10:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

How is an 18-inch formation showing off one of the best ysflight paints ever made not high quality? and how would you know either way? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.70.111.54 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 29 April 2007.

Agreed. You should just stop editing the page. You haven't contributed anything useful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patrick20393 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 29 April 2007.

If you take a look at the diff before my first edit of the page, then have a look at it now, I believe it looks a lot more like an encyclopedia article than it did, which I feel is extremely useful. I'm sorry you disagree. Tbone762 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

After going through the history of edits and looking at some of those deleted screenshots, I have decided that I agree with Tbone762's actions. Remember that this article is not just for fans of YSflight, but also people who don't know what YSflight is. We should not allow "fanboy-ism" to get in the way of neutrality. On the subject of screenshots, I think there should be one done entirely with just the stock aircrafts and maps that comes with YSflight. - Taskforce 58

I still think Talon's screenshot should be put back on... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patrick20393 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 1 May 2007.

I can see why you're defending the screenshot, seeing as it's of an excellent paint job, flown by famous members of the YS Flight world, doing an impressive manoeuvre, and certainly it's good quality when viewed at its correct resolution. The trouble is, at the "thumb" resolution, which is the guidline size for a screenshot, it isn't so clear what is going on, and for a reader who isn't familiar with YS Flight it takes a second or two to be able to see the aircraft in the picture. I'd really like to see a clearer, high quality image of the formation team, with perhaps a section about them and why they are famous. Tbone762 09:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the F-22 picture is too dark, and almost bi-chromatic (gray and pale yellow). It does not serve as a good ambassador of what YS-Flight is capable of. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asdf8675309 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 1 May 2007.

Agreed, I put the image back in again before I read this, but removed it when I'd checked this page and seen why it was removed in the first place. In that case, it can be replaced with a different, clear screenshot. The only thing going for the F-22 picture was that it was a very recognisable aircraft, so a similarly recognisable aircraft, (perhaps in formation flight?) should replace it. Anyone got any images? As far as a screen shot gallery goes, I'm not sure it can be justified under fair-use images. If the article could be expanded, then having more screenshots would start to make more sense, but it should be kept in mind that they ought to illustrate something discussed in the article. Tbone762 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it fine just to add an area for screenshots? You know what I am talking about. Jerrycobra 05:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Wondering why the 747 picture is in the Combat section. Asdf8675309 21:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I was just trying to spread the screenshots evenly throughout the article. I moved it to the game play section now. Taskforce 58 21:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Screenshots don't have to always go in the section they refer to, but to stop confusion there's nothing wrong with moving them about. Tbone762 15:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I was looking at the YS Screenshots database (which someone removed thinking it was a porn link! I put it back in of course), and there's some really nice formation ones on there. I particularly like this one, because it's very easy to see what's going on. However, the creator of the image themself must upload the image and agree to licence it, so obviously, that's not me. Anyone who's got nice clear screenshots of formations, it would be great to see them on here... Tbone762 15:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


YSVBA's got your formation screenshots. If you can let me know what you want, specifically, I'll get it. :) As far as on-page screenshots go, I'd like to give a try at putting up a different one that shows actual FLIGHT. the PIA screenshot shows a decent aircraft mod, and taxiway lighting, but i think we can show more. like I said, i'll give it a try. I just added the link for the YS Blues website, if that's alright. -Talon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.70.111.54 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 5 May 2007.

Well, your guess is as good as mine really. This image and this one I think would work well, but it's all up to you. The only thing you need to make sure is that the planes are clearly distinguishable at the thumb resolution, as they are in both those two. Of course, if you want to upload an image of a more impressive formation thats fine too. Be bold! As far as in-flight shots go, the page is a bit longer now, so there's space for maybe one or two more I reckon... Tbone762 00:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a great formation screenshot. http://ysgaf.ys.funpic.de/yspics/big.php?file=66 Asdf8675309 02:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, that's excellent! Plus there's a combat element in it too. Tbone762 10:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Somebody added a not very impressive shot of an F-14 landing on a carrier. I like showing that carrier ops are possible in the stock YS, but we need a better screen. The F-14 does not look right as the extended landing gear are compressed as if the plane were already on the ground, a problem with many YS models. I vote to remove the F-14 screen but I don't want to be accused of vandalizing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.239.169.58 (talk) 00:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The F-14 picture has been removed. Taskforce 58 (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox template

Seeing as this article falls within the scope of Wikiproject Video Games, the page should have an infobox. However, not a lot of the boxes will be filled when I've put it in, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Tbone762 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not overly sure about the banner image in the info box because it has the web address on it, but I'm not going to remove it because as far as I know that's not against policy. Especially since the game has no box art to speak of... Tbone762 10:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the banner image is not a bad choice for the info box, because it is a screenshot done without addons, only with default aircrafts and scenery.Taskforce 58 15:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, and seeing as it is a 'front page' image, it is a good substitute for box art. Tbone762 17:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Well looks like someone did decide it wasn't ok, probably more to do with the way it was licenced, and the lack of a fair-use rationale than the way it was used. Ho hum. If you want an example of a fair-use rationale, there's one on this image. Every copyrighted picture that specifies fair-use as its licencing must provide an argument like this one as to why it's ok to be on here. Tbone762 15:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I've been having a look around other pages in the CVG project, and I've noticed that it's not always box art that appears in the infobox. When it's hard to find or there simply isn't any, a screenshot that identifies clearly with the game is a good substitute, as on Fat Worm Blows a Sparky (weird name, I know). Anyway, the screenshot clearly identifies the game, so it works well in the box. I think this is the place for a screenshot of a single plane, preferably a default one. I found this one through the 'what links here' page. Anyone got any comments/suggestions? Tbone762 13:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I added a screenshot done entirely with default aircrafts and scenery from YSflight. Taskforce 58 15:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Great job Taskforce ! The Blue Impulse T-2 is a beautiful aircraft, and probably one of the best looking planes in the unmodified YS Flight. The picture looks great. Still hoping you will put your MarineFlieger TF-104 formation picture in the combat section (read above to see which picture I am talking about). Asdf8675309 15:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I second that! Nice picture, does exactly the job it should. And second the MarineFlieger bit as well! Tbone762 19:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I've got these two for now if you want them. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2182/joneshornetud7.png http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6420/dirtyloop2vb5.png I tried to pick ones that show off both aircraft and map... But truth be told I didnt take very long on it. Take it or leave it. :) -Talon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.70.111.54 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 7 May 2007.

Love the second one. Any chance you could upload that onto Wikipedia? Since you're the creator of the picture you have the right to upload it and release the copyright. Let me know here on on my talk page if you're not sure how to do that, I'd be glad to help. Tbone762 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Talon, what map is that ? It looks really good. Where do I get it ? Asdf8675309 15:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It's still in the making. --Patrick20393 05:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

They're yours for the taking, Tbone. I dont know how to upload them to wikipedia... -Talon

Cool, thanks! I think that formation one would be good, but maybe a smaller section of it, I think that map one would look great as it is. I've been meaning to expand the Realism section into a Reception section anyway, so there should be more page space soon. Tbone762 09:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Move?

It occurs to me that the name of the program on the official site is "YS Flight Simulation System 2000". Perhaps a page move to this title is in order? Or is the article's current title more correct? Tbone762 11:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Update: I've not found a good reason why it should stay on this page, so unless anyone raises any objections here, I'll sort out the move in the next couple of days. Tbone762 15:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Combat?

I've not played the game, but I've noticed on some of the websites mention of missions and combat. Can someone in the know write a section about this if true? Tbone762 11:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to those who helped! Tbone762 19:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added a whole section about vaious game play modes. Also I removed the section on online combat missions because it is now redundant. Taskforce 58 18:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Realism Section

I have edited the realsim section because me and a fellow YSP member thought using the word poor is a biased opinion. Ihave substituted it for "intentionaly less demanding texture mapping than that of other flight sims", i have also reworded the new addons bit in this section. Also adding extras features with the new addons such as moving parts and lighting. Yours Joemail —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.201.68.69 (talk) 17:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sections reordering

I have reordered various sections to give it a more logical order. I believe that the artcle should start with descriptions about it's various features before discussions on it's realism and addons.Taskforce 58 18:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:VG Assessment

  • Is the subject notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia per WP:N?
  • No reliable third party sources. Find some, or this article might even be deleted (see above).
  • Too much game guide information. Wikipedia is not a game guide. Gameplay and combat should be merged and all lists of modes and weapons should be removed.
  • A lot of emphasis is put on the modification/players community, and this is not something a Wikipedia article on a video game includes unless that community has been written about by reliable third party sources. An example of notable communities are Starcraft's professional players, and Half-life modders who had their mod reviewed by IGN or GameSpot. These communities/mods? No.
  • Development and reception sections are just missing. Realism seems sort of a reception section, but is totally uncited.
  • When information that should not be in the article is removed, the article becomes a stub. I rated it as such.
--User:Krator (t c) 18:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, lots to do... Anyone know of good third party sources? Tbone762 19:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
BTW, Krator, thanks for the detailed guidance! It's a lot more help than just changing the rating. Tbone762 22:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Opinon about YSFlight Screenshots

I really think that you should move the BAe Hawk picture to the top, and the picture at the top to bottom. The BAe Hawk is the more dramatic picture. Also, people who want to know about YSFlight should be allowed to see the best picture at the top. Thin Smek 21:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds sensible. Thoughts anyone? Tbone762 21:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Well there doesn't seem to be any objection, so I'll go ahead and do it. Tbone762 13:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I deliberately used a picture done with only default aircrafts and scenery for the top infobox because I want it to show YSflight AS IS without any 3rd party addons. --Taskforce 58 16:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TF58... and I made the Hawk screenshot. Leave the Blue Impulse picture at the top. Glad you liked my pic however, Thin Smek. 66.126.180.243 02:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure Thin Smek was suggesting it should be moved into the infobox. I read his suggestion as "Blue impluse in the infobox, Hawk as the first main body screenshot, and PIA as the final screenshot". But anyway, no matter, I reckon they are the best way around as they are at the moment. Tbone762 14:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Okay, The links area is cool, but what is this underdogs link? A warez site? Does YS really want to be ascociated with this? It doesnt really give any information on the sim anyways, and the download link goes straight back to YSflight.com

Also, the podcast URL is broken at the minute due to a file hosting problem. I'm moving the host to a different host soon. Also the podcasts will continue soon as well! dcaplin501 09:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is and it isn't. It's more of an abandonware listing site. I disagree with Wikipedia's summary of it as a warez site, but it does also describe it as an abandonware site. I know YS Flight is not really abandonware, but as Krator points out in the CVG assessment (above), the page is lacking external reference, and thus could be considered for deletion. In order to meet the criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia at WP:NOTE, the page must list significant third party reference to the subject. The official site is first party, and fan sites and forums are second party. As such, HotU, even though it's not overly respectable, provides some desperately needed third party reference. If you could find a listing or mention on a more famous site, stick it on there! Tbone762 10:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to squadrons

I have removed all links and references to various virtual squadrons and airlines. I don't think this is the place for squad advertising. Taskforce 58 17:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fair. Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion after all. Tbone762 21:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair 'nuff, I'm guilty of that meself. ThirdEchelon 00:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:B747-467 cpa.jpg

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[edit] Please do not use a Wiki article for self advertising

Taskforce 58 (talk) 00:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)