Talk:Youth For Understanding
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[edit] Merge proposal
There are about 50 YFU programmes worldwide. Should we include details about each national organisation, or just try to cover them all on the main Youth for Understanding page? samwaltz 16:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes - how many others already exist on the English Wikipedia? --JohnDBuell 20:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Translations
Oh yah, once we get the merge proposal dealt with, I'll work on translating the German entry into English. samwaltz 17:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- There really isn't THAT much of a difference between the German page and the English page - I noticed that the history got deleted in early June. I've fixed this. --JohnDBuell 20:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Renaming of page
Per YFU, the proper name for the organization includes capital letters in all three words. See www.yfu.org or www.yfu-usa.org (bottom left hand corner) for their usage. Currently Youth For Understanding is a redirect to Youth for Understanding and these should be reversed. --JohnDBuell 15:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- This could have been done without a formal request, as all it's doing is reversing the redirect and the article, and the redirect won't preclude the move since it's only had one edit, which points it here. -- nae'blis 18:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- I had to do something similar once before with a couple of pages where one was an existing redirect to the other - I understand it's the only way to properly preserve page edit histories which would be lost if you just did a copy/paste from the one to the other and back again. --JohnDBuell 20:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Addendum: the exact case I have in mind was from 19 April of this year: Madam & Eve redirected to Madam and Eve but the comic strip DOES use the ampersand, so I asked the the redirect to be reversed, and an administrator stepped in and did so. --JohnDBuell 20:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry if I was unclear, I'm not talking about a copy-paste move. See President's Daily Briefing and President's Daily Brief - until yesterday, the former was the article and the latter was the redirect. As long as the redirect you're trying to move on top of ONLY has one edit, and that edit consists ONLY of a redirect to the page you're moving from, established editors can perform the move, according to the software. Obviously this is only advisable for uncontroversial page moves, but you can see that the page's history was transferred to the new location properly. If there's ever been a different edit to the target redirect, the software will stop you, and then an admin has to facilitate the move. Hope that helps. -- nae'blis 20:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- I tried this, from work, and it didn't let me - might it be possible that some of it is IP based, if the software decides to allow certain changes or not? --JohnDBuell 22:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Odd. I just did it, partly as a test but partly because I genuinely believe this was a non-controversial move (I'm a little cavalier on page moves for technical reasons). Whatlinkshere still needs to be fixed, but you should be good to go.
- Does your workplace have a firewall or something that might be stopping you? Do you have any blocks in your user log that might have gotten your move privs disabled? What message did it give you when you tried? -- nae'blis 22:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- I tried this, from work, and it didn't let me - might it be possible that some of it is IP based, if the software decides to allow certain changes or not? --JohnDBuell 22:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry if I was unclear, I'm not talking about a copy-paste move. See President's Daily Briefing and President's Daily Brief - until yesterday, the former was the article and the latter was the redirect. As long as the redirect you're trying to move on top of ONLY has one edit, and that edit consists ONLY of a redirect to the page you're moving from, established editors can perform the move, according to the software. Obviously this is only advisable for uncontroversial page moves, but you can see that the page's history was transferred to the new location properly. If there's ever been a different edit to the target redirect, the software will stop you, and then an admin has to facilitate the move. Hope that helps. -- nae'blis 20:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Addendum: the exact case I have in mind was from 19 April of this year: Madam & Eve redirected to Madam and Eve but the comic strip DOES use the ampersand, so I asked the the redirect to be reversed, and an administrator stepped in and did so. --JohnDBuell 20:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- I had to do something similar once before with a couple of pages where one was an existing redirect to the other - I understand it's the only way to properly preserve page edit histories which would be lost if you just did a copy/paste from the one to the other and back again. --JohnDBuell 20:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Not me personally, but the workplace has had IP blocks placed at least twice, for reasons I won't get into. --JohnDBuell 00:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] References?
I feel that the page has sufficient references. User:WAS 4.250: Why did you add the warning? What do you think needs to be referenced? Does anyone else agree? Btw, I added the link to the int'l list back in that WAS 4.250 removed. Someone looking for YFU Australia, etc., wouldn't find a link to the US site to be of particular relevance. samwaltz 20:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- The additions that User:Joanne H. made are unsourced, uncited, and unreferenced, based on information that only YFU employees, staff, and perhaps volunteers have. It can NOT be verified using published reports, and the yfu.org site still has NOT been updated, as Joanne herself admitted. That's a violation of policy. The yfu.org link is now under References, as it is cited to directly support a statement, and doesn't need to be under "Further reading" as well, as that's just redundant. --JohnDBuell 21:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Linkfarming
It is unnecessary to link to all fiftyish YFU national committees. We have a link to [www.YFU.org www.YFU.org], which lists all recognized YFU partners. Anyone who is remotely interested will have no problem finding their national committee. If there is any further reason to post the external links, please discuss it here, first. samwaltz 13:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- D'oh! So the user just got spanked for doing it on the German page. I'll be checking out a few of the other languages.samwaltz 18:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
