User talk:Yorkshirian/Archive 2

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RCC lead

Thanks for the support on the RCC lead. Including this in the lead is wrong - not so much for the current wording, but that this is the thin end of the wedge that will see others want to build on that. There is a strong double-standars issue here. Xandar (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Hi, I see you have changed infoboxes for Beverley & Market Weighton to infobox settlement. But can you please explain how this change fits in with our WP:UKCITIES standard which states "All settlements of the United Kingdom (that are not coterminous with a local government district) are to use the Template:Infobox UK place, though some very rare exceptions exist. For those that are coterminous with a local government district (which are usually large cities / unitary districts or equivalent—such as Liverpool, Leicester, and Bristol), please use Template:Infobox settlement."

As for as I can determine we should be using the UK Infobox for these places not the settlement box.

Keith D (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The coat of arms added to the infobox for Beverley is not current and so should not be in the article as far as I can see. Keith D (talk)

Edit war and the three revert rule

May I make you aware that the three revert rule prohibits users restoring material more than 3 times in a rolling 24 hour period. You appear to be engaged in an edit war at Beverley and are not contributing to discussion but enforcing preferences upon articles that others object to. --Jza84 |  Talk  18:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I had a right to remove this as you do not have a consensus. Four editors have commented they do not want that infobox, whilst you have continued to revert to it. I will be reporting you for breach of 3RR (despite a warning), which may see you loose your editting privlidges. I'm also displeased with your edit summmaries and comments on talk pages which appear to be disparaging. --Jza84 |  Talk  11:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I've reported you for 3RR. However, at this stage I must also express my concern about your comments at Talk:Market Weighton and your edits to Manchester which are incivil and distruptive respectively. This does nothing but harm Wikipedia and harm your reputation. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PS please re-read WP:UKCITIES (not WP:CITIES as you keep referring to). Manchester has the distinction of being a local government district, whereas Selby etc do not. UKCITIES states that local government district ONLY should use Template:Infobox settlement. However, don't take this up with me, please resume debate at Talk:Beverley to achieve a way forwards. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I think at this stage you're likely to incur a much greater block on your account as well as bring more attention to your editting style. Remember, do not distrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Your edits to Manchester are not in good faith and starkly so (you are gaming false claims of consensus). Have you not considered what maturity and respectabiliy level appears? I do not believe you are being conductive to the good of the project and I suspect you would agree. Why not rethink your approach? --Jza84 |  Talk  12:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I was going to ask you to quote the guidance from UKCITIES that you are referring too, but I think this is a rather pointless waste of time frankly. You've done nothing to help your preferences or reputation. There's no point continuing this discussion between us. I imagine the editting community will be displeased with your recent contributions. I think I've given all the advise I can. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

All settlements of the United Kingdom (that are not coterminous with a local government district) are to use the Template:Infobox UK place, though some very rare exceptions exist. For those that are coterminous with a local government district (which are usually large cities / unitary districts or equivalent—such as Liverpool, Leicester, and Bristol), please use Template:Infobox settlement.

– WP:UKCITIES

--Jza84 |  Talk  12:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I am not from Lancashire, but consider that last message a personal attack on Lancastrians - something you've been warned about before. I would like a full apology for that, saying I "put on a false front" and for misappropriating a fake consensus. There is a person at the end of the signature and I expect a minimum threshold of dignitiy, perhaps as much as I've given yourself. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Any particular reason you're removing the birthplace and deathplace fields from the infoboxes? The are in the box code to make things easier, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to remove the separate field for that information and put it with the dates? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Okies, whatever. I was just curious. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

AWB

Hi there, I'm new to AWB and I'm not entirely sure on how it works. I know you've helped in the past so I was wondering whether you could tell me what I need to do to use it. I've downloaded it here and I've also got the .NET framework but I don't know where to go from there. Cheers, Kaboooz LUFC TC 11:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

David Bowie/Tadcaster/Doncaster

Hi. You may well be right. And I wish it were possible to see that interview again easily. Some of us didn't catch it at the time it was first shown, or even when repeated if at all. The Tadcaster reference has previously been undone by adherence to BowieWonderWorld's bio here (current reference number 6), stating that his father was (quote): "Haywood Stenton Jones (known as John), born at 41 St. Sepulchre Gate, Doncaster, Yorkshire DN1 1TD, on 21st November, 1912".

I'd appreciate a quick reply to this one, as it confuses me. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 00:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, again. Just watched part one, and he actually corrects Parky (who says Tadcaster)(quote): "well, somewhere between Tadcaster, Doncaster and York, actually". So the interview promotes the ambiguity, I think. However, I've no intention of reverting your change - not unless something more concrete comes up in support of any one of the towns mentioned. Best wishes. Ref (chew)(do) 01:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Cut & Paste moves

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently copied the contents of a page and pasted it into another with a different name. This is what we call a "cut and paste move", and it is very undesirable because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. The mechanism we use for renaming an article is to move it to a new name which both preserves the page's history and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves to request the move by another. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith D (talk • contribs)

To add to that, you are welcome to request deletion of edited redirects that prevent moves of pages by non-admins, using {{db-move}}. Moving by cut-and-paste is not allowed though. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yorkshire edits

I am trying to make some constructive edits to the Yorkshire article. Please read the edit summaries and the talk page so that a discussion of needed changes can be held. Thanks.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for replying so quickly. The wording was rather awkward for the first sentence of an article.The edit was to make it more easily readable. The Northern English location can still be added in the header. I was also trying to avoid the dilemma of whether to use a historic county or an historic county. Please, can we discuss changes on the talk page?--Harkey Lodger (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Please can we discuss improvements to the article on the talk page? Terse edit comments are not a substitute for co-operative discussion to reach consensus. Many thanks for you contributions. --Harkey Lodger (talk) 08:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
If you add this tag {{inuse}} while you are actively editing, your editing should not be upset by technical edit conflicts.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 16:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Per talk

MRSC has presented his rationale, and I believe Harkey has concerns; there are reasons on the talk page why your edits are objectionable. I was in the process of responding myself... if you had given me some time, you would've had my concerns in full. Looks like there are serveral users concerned with your contributions anyway and I would also like make clear again that WP:3RR applies regarding your edits. --Jza84 |  Talk  11:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I will be writing a report about your actions calling me a "troll" and "Lancastrian". I've had enough of your abuse. --Jza84 |  Talk  11:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I am not happy that you have credited me with statements that I did not make, please retract your edits on the talk page.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
You're at WP:WQA, here. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikiquette alert

I would like to alert you of concerns about your conduct; as I did on 10 December 2007, 13 January 2008 and 15 January 2008. You are encouraged to respond to the third-party comments at the Wikiquette alert here. Everyone wants to move forward with constructive and civil contributions and discussion, please show your commitment to that too. MRSC • Talk 11:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I regret we couldn't move forward together from the Wikiquette alert and the findings there have been rejected by you. As your conduct continues to cause concern to several editors, we have opened a requests for comment here, as a third stage in trying to resolve this dispute. MRSC • Talk 15:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
You are now making some serious claims about User:Jza84. I really hope this is a misunderstanding and not further evidence of poor conduct on your part. The naming convention vote was undertaken on the project page in 2004. see here. Jza84 did not even start editing until 2 years later. How can he be to blame? How can this be a dispute based on him? Your conduct appears to be getting worse still since Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Yorkshirian was filed. We all want to work together to create great articles. This is getting in the way, and we want to resolve it to everyones benefit. Please work with us. MRSC • Talk 20:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Can you do us a favour Yorkshirian? Can you let us know if you're going to partake in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Yorkshirian? If not, I'm happy to elevate this to the next level of dispute resolution; your work at the WP:PLACE talk page does little to help your reputation.
For the record, I joined Wikipedia in 2006, not 2004; you could've just asked, and assumed good faith. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  23:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Several attempts have been made to draw you into discussion about your poor conduct. The claims you have been making about Jza84 have turned out to be baseless on two occasions and you have provided no explanation of why you have made such shocking accusations. There is a limit to the extent to which other editors will assume the good faith of your actions. Please take a moment to stop this disruptive behaviour and address our concerns. Everyone wants to work constructively together, but your behaviour increasingly makes us believe that isn't something you want too. MRSC • Talk 04:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

These messages are not getting you anywhere. Your editing since the RFC was filed is getting increasingly disruptive, especially the claims about Jza84. You can't make such terrible claims in three places, have them found to be baseless and then just ignore it. This is why there is no point engaging with you. We need to resolve this dispute first. MRSC • Talk 05:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

In resepect of issues relating to your most recent conduct (specifically the claims about Jza84 and disruptive edits) I have noted the behaviour at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. MRSC • Talk 05:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Brigantes, again

Noticed you've added a "Brigantian Theatrical mask" to the Brigantes article. I, and no doubt others, would be interested to have some more details on that. I have read the Hartley/Fitts book in the late 80s/early 90s but can't remember anything about the mask in question. Look forward to hearing from you. Mhaille 17:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


RFC/USER discussion concerning you (Yorkshirian)

Hello, Yorkshirian. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Yorkshirian, where you may want to participate. -- — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

(reply copied from User talk:KieferSkunk) One more note on the RFC: Yes, you have 30 days before the bot closes the RFC as stale, meaning that it hasn't gotten any traction. That is intended for disputes that have been resolved and were not properly closed. However, any admin may close it much sooner than that if it's clear that one party isn't going to cooperate with the process, or is just gaming the system, and your stating your intentions to sit on the RFC for 30 days is clearly a statement of non-cooperation. I would encourage you to post a response there now, as it will be a more organized forum than WQA for you to express your concerns about other people's behavior as well. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 15:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Yorkshirian for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harkey Lodger‎ (talk • contribs)

Sorry, I forgot to sign the previous post. It was unintentional as I thought the template would add my username.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 09:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: About a source

That's fine. The link wasn't working last night but seems to have been restored.

About an accusation.... Is it too much to ask for an apology for this fine mess? I'm sure if I'd accused you of such serious doctoring of naming conventions, you would be dining out on it forever more. I'm sure we've been here before... I feel an apology would go someway to making amends. --Jza84 |  Talk  16:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire banner

Thanks for catching my screwup on the {{WikiProject Yorkshire}} template, guess I was paying more attention to code than to imagry. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 23:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. :) - Yorkshirian (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

typeface

Hallo, I wonder whether you know that on a modest size of screen the font you use (Algerian, I believe) is almost illegible? It's OK for a big heading like "BASIC INFORMATION", but it's a real struggle to read the rest of your User page and all but one section of your Talk page: it looks as if I'm seeing double. I'm using Firefox, Windows XP, and 1024x768 monitor. I was dropping by to mention that there's a currnet AFD for Mike Roberts, as you have commented on the article's talk page. PamD (talk) 07:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I've heard a couple of people say that, but it looks fine to me. Could you show me a screen shot of what you see please? I'll take a look at the AFD. Cheers. - Yorkshirian (talk) 22:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, only just noticed your reply. Can't quite work out how to show you a screen shot! Ideas? I can copy the screen shot and paste it into a Word doc, but then can't see how to upload to here. PamD (talk) 15:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:RievaulxAbbey_Yorkshire_04.jpg

An image that you uploaded, Image:RievaulxAbbey_Yorkshire_04.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Kelly hi! 04:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Spring-heeled Jack

Thanks for adding a reference to this page. Unfortunately the web site you have used as a source is not accurate. The Sheffield Times was not founded until 1846 (see British Library newspaper catalogue for confirmation) and so cannot have published anything on SHJ in 1808. Most likely the quote given on the site you accessed is a muddled version of a newspaper article on the 1873 Sheffield scare. Mikedash (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:North Riding of Yorkshire

Neat !! A job well done.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 07:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! still got a fair bit to add to it an I'm gonna do one for West and (historic) East too. - Yorkshirian (talk) 20:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I like the abbeys bit. I nearly suggested that you add them because they were so important.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 09:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Liquorice

Hi User:Yorkshirian. I made this edit here before seeing your edit summary a few edits back. Rather than just revert what I've done, I thought I would suggest to you that you should maybe justify that categorisation with a comment in the main article and probably a citation also. Regards, Mannafredo (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Infobox for EH and NT?

Have you ever noticed whether there are any infoboxes for English Heritage and/or National Trust sites? I would like to add something neat to some of the Yorkshire EH and NT properties. Their handbooks or websites have all the info. I just need a box (not a six foot one either !!!:-)...)--Harkey Lodger (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if they have any infoboxes yet, but I've made Category:English Heritage sites in Yorkshire if that is of some help, using List of English Heritage properties for reference but some of the Yorkshire ones don't have articles yet like Marmion Tower. The ones from "West Yorkshire" still need to be added and theyre in the general Category:English Heritage. - Yorkshirian (talk) 07:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I will ask around. I've searched the infobox pages, but no luck. Trouble is that there are so many nooks and crannies on Wikipedia where things get put away(a bit like my study!).
I am not sure in which direction you are heading with the Yorkshire article at the moment.Is it to be WP:SUMMARY style and if so what is the hierarchy of articles to be, please. Are there to be two articles as per discussed on the talk page. This would be an appropriate discussion at WP:YORKS where I have tried to open a debate. The members there must believe that Yorkshire exists (as do I) otherwise they wouldn't be writing about it.Also, if you notice, the WP:YORKS banner is on articles from places in areas belonging to the old county; the cultural one, which is arguably stronger than the governments administrative dictates.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 07:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the above Navboxes. They make life a lot easier. I made a dead simple Wikipedia:Infobox at Template:Infobox UKproperty using templates.It's not elegant coding but it works on the page !!--Harkey Lodger (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Bronte sisters.jpg

Hi there. Why did you revert my upload of an image that was both more complete and higher-resolution? Mr. Absurd (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I think I'll crop it to be the same and upload it overtop, because it's higher resolution, and then I'll upload another one full-sized. Just out of curiosity, in which article did you prefer the smaller image? Mr. Absurd (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)