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[edit] Category and Abbey

I have put this building into category:buildings in York as this is now a subcategory of category:buildings in North Yorkshire. I have removed it from category:abbeys in England because, as far as I know, it is not an abbey. However, I am happy to be corrected on this. --Vincej 12:03, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


There really should be more stuff on the 1980s fire, the restoration work, the rebuilding of the Rose Window. Also the controversial decision to charge non-York residents to enter. Maybe other modern information as well, such as its use for multi-church events (J John seminars) and other important events (Billy Graham, Richard Whiteley memorial service etc...).

This article states that York Minster is the largest church in the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries yet the article for Livepool Cathedral states that that is the largest Anglican Cathedral in the world. York Minister is Anglican so which is bigger York or Liverpool?


[edit] In answer to above

I have just inserted the word Medieval. York is the largest Medieval church in the United Kingdom and undoubtedly in the Commonwealth as we colonials don't have too much medieval architecture about.

York Minster is smaller than Liverpool and St Paul's Cathedral in London. Its not as long as Winchester, Canterbury, St Albans or Ely , but despite its very simple ground plan, it's wide and takes up a lot of area, and contains a lot of volume.

--144.131.121.75 14:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

--87.113.86.107 22:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC) ive just added links to the above cathedrals

[edit] Second biggest gothic cathedral in Northern Europe

Is it bigger than the Ulm Cathedral (which is taller than the one in Cologne!), or is the claim based on, for example, nit-picking on the minor meaning difference between cathedral and church? This kind of statements are funny because you can make everything "the biggest" if you qualify far enough: gothic, cathedral, northern Europe, completed before, completed after, and so on and on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.127.202.147 (talk) 07:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Ulm cathedral is 123 meters by 48 meters with height inside 41 and spire 162 meters.

One source I googled says York minster is 519 feet by 100 feet which is 158 meters by 30 meters which suggests that the apart from being taller, the Ulm Cathedral also is bigger inside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.127.202.147 (talk) 07:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I hate to interrupt your conversation at this point but since when was Germany in Northern Europe? I've always thought of germany as being central europe. Indeed neither the UN definition or wikipedia's own definition of northern europe include germany. Back to York being the biggest, I'd say, which is what I've always heard quoted anyway. --Gytrash (talk) 15:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as no one else cared enough I made northern europe a clickable link, where you may note germany isn't included in the definition (if cologne is included then why not amiens or beauvais in northern france?) (Looking at the northern germany article cologne isn't even included there anyway!). And changed it back to york being the largest. Which, again, is what I always heard anyway. 16:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gytrash (talk • contribs)
Having lived in York for 5 years, and been in the Minster countless times, I finally had a proper tour during which the guide used the description 'biggest North of the Alps' which is a slightly more specific description that I had not come across before (but does not exclude Germany). What a minefield. What is 'biggest' anyway! –MDCollins (talk) 00:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Minefield indeed. You should see the arguments about where city limits begin and end and what should be included. Still, a little internal consistency doesn't hurt.--Gytrash (talk) 19:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is York Minster Imposing?

In the first paragraph, it describes York Minster as being "imposing". This makes it sounds like the minster is unwelcome and an eyesore, and as a person living in York I can certainly say it's not. Maybe this should be rephrased? I have also changed the position of the pictures so that there is not a huge gap between sections of text.

Xtrememachineuk 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Astronomical Clock

I added something about the clock. But I've not been able to get to York Minster to check the description. If the clock's not there any more or has changed substantially, please tell me and I'll do some edits.

Cormullion 10:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It's still there, and as you describe. Nice work! Regards, --RobertG ♬ talk 10:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - I'll try to polish it up over the next few whatevers, but getting started is always the hard bit Cormullion 16:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deans

Not strictly relevant here, but Dean of York is still a fragmentary list, and could well be boosted by anyone who contributes to this page or lives near the Minster. Neddyseagoon - talk 15:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture

I've added a section on the architecture of the Minster, it's not really complete yet (you'll notice the paragraphs get shorter towards the end!) but I'll add some more stuff later. One problem is that there is now some repetition of things mentioned elsewhere in the article. Does anyone have any suggestions about whether it should mention the stained glass at all in the architecture section or should I remove it and merge any new information with the section on stained glass? Also, is it written at the right level as I've not written stuff for wikipedia before? Thanks --Ivanivanovich 16:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the stained glass and the bells into the new section as I think it fits better there. I think that obviously any duplication should be removed. I think it is safe for you to go ahead with anything, as in my opinion the article is not written that well anyway! –MDCollins (talk) 16:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Shouldn't this article have some categories on it? --Bobnotts 09:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Well spotted! - a nasty piece of vandalism now reverted. Thanks for the message. –MDCollins (talk) 16:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] William Cockburn

I am trying to write the article on William Cockburn (Sir William Cockburn, 11th Baronet), Dean of York. For such an interesting story there is so little. There is nothing in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (accessed 2007-08-20) save to say that his nephew Sir Alexander Cockburn defended him against a charge of simony, a claim substantiated nowhere else. There are fragments in The Times but it is slightly incoherent. It appears that, after the 1840 fire, the deanery was bankrupt and there was a public appeal. There was a subsequent investigation into the conduct and management of the proceeds and a Rev Dixon accused Cockburn of simony. Cockurn was accused of selling benefices which he freely admitted (The Times, 25 Jan 1841, p.6 cols.e-f). Cockburn was deposed as Dean sine die (The Times, 5 April 1841, p.5 col.e). A barrister, not Cockburn's nephew, tried to get a writ to prohibit the order but failed. I can find no more until notice of his death (Times 3 May 1858) when he is described as "Dean of York". Also, Institute of Historical Research Dates says he was Dean until 1858. Don't want to go into original research but I suspect York newspapers are needed. Or perhaps we have to wait until Who was Who is available on the web. Does anyone have any black letter sources to hand that fill in the gaps?Cutler 11:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I recently visited the Minster and took quite some images which I added to Commons, for the moment they are at the top at my gallery, I'm hesitant to add too much of it myself so please anybody please review the images and add to this article where appropriate. Thank you. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 01:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Organist

RE: the addition of Robert Sharpe as organist from Sept 2008...

I notice this has been added by an ip, and rightly tagged as 'cn'. I know word of mouth doesn't count, but this appointment has been confirmed to me as well. Can't find a 'printable' reference at the moment, but just mentioning it as some verifiability. –MDCollins (talk) 23:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I have this article watchlisted but will keep an eye out for references. The RCO webite doesn't help, you need a subscription. Meanwhile, please add it in as soon as, although the cn tag is likely to stay around for a month or more. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 23:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)