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[edit] hanged/hung

I don't know the facts, and a quick Google doesn't help, but were they:

• executed first (whether or not by hanging) and then their bodies hung in chains...
• executed by hanging using chains (unusual but I suppose could happen) ...
• hung alive in chains for a while, akin to being put in the stocks, but survived the experience?

"hung" would be right for the first and third, "hanged" for the second! Clarification is needed, please, whichever of the three is meant. PamD (talk) 14:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find a definitive account either. However, the entry for Robert Aske, wikiliinked in the York Castle story, suggests that hanging in chains was a method of execution.Acad Ronin (talk) 12:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, what this diff suggests is that you altered the Aske entry from "hung" to "hanged" three minutes before you made the above comment. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 18:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbet#Display, http://users.bestweb.net/~rg/execution/gibbeting.htm (its reference) and http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pirates/punish.html#hanging all refer to "hanging in chains" as the display of an already-hung corpse in a gibbet or similar. PamD (talk) 13:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

1) Obviously, I did change that one, but only to make it consistent with the usage in the preceeding paragraph, which clearly argues for hanging in chains as a method of execution, and that usage was not mine. 2) That one uses hanging in chains as a method of execution does not prevent it being used as a form of display of corpses post execution. Putting someone in a hanging cage and letting them starve to death would also be a method of execution. 3) The problem is not the general situation, but rather, what was the situation in this particular case, and that I have not been able to pin down definitively. The closest I have come is the wiki link to Roger Aske, which again, was not my formulation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acad Ronin (talk • contribs) 00:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. I have found two references via Google books. The 1857 reference says Clifford was executed at York, and his body hung in chains. The more recent book (1990), says he was hanged in chains. Those were the only two references I could find. Which do we go with? Acad Ronin (talk) 01:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)