Talk:Yonaguni

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[edit] Need translation help

Help! The caped crusadertranslator hurts himself. Need help with the translation.--Jondel 07:02, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] POV

"However, the viability of these theories is undetermined when one considers that there are no piles of rocks at the foot of the structures, as would be expected if the near-perfect right angles that define these structures were formed by cleavage of the rocks that make them up."

According to the dive-site diagram here : http://www.city.ishigaki.okinawa.jp/en/engnews/ishigakitimes/tourism.htm#Yonaguni-Island There seems to be a good collection of rock at the bottom of the outcrop, where one would expect to find it considering its position in the tidal zone, and the drop-off. Thenerdgod 21:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Katakana names

On the map a few names are written in katakana. What is the reason for this unusual style of writing?

The names are in Okinawan, not Japanese. Jpatokal 08:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Somebody needs to clean up the page as rather than being neutral, and also without going into details it suggests that the structures are manmade and "predate those of Mesopotamia, India, Egypt and China". This is a provocative statement as many scientists of different races and disciplines who have visited Yonaguni have said they should be natural formations. They definitely look natural on tv. Graham Hancock who has a penchant for saying things that are unconventional about history and prehistory is among the few believers. But even he said that "any one structure would look natural but the entire formation on the whole suggests that it is manmade".

This is however not the only one of its kind, such statements can be made on the discussion page, but not on the main article one. There are many pages unfortunately on this very good site that have such nationalisms and regionisms being expressed very blatantly.

Go ahead and fix it! Jpatokal 08:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The katakana names might be because of the word being from one of the Ryukyuan languages and not Japanese. Since there would be no kanji for these words, katakana is used.--88.105.255.133 01:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikitravel Destination of the Month

Yonaguni is Destination of the Month on Wikitravel for March 2006. Pitch in and help improve it! Jpatokal 08:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discovery?

Now I'm confused - when was the site really discovered for the first time? In 1985 or in 1995? I've just written 1985 in the swedish edition, that's why I wonder...--81.224.186.135 13:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where else in the world can we find such angular rocks?

Most geologists familiar with the area also maintain that the structures are mere geologic processes of natural origin and consistent with other known geological formations. They point to the fact that local rocks above the surface have right angle cleavages, and that aquatic flora and fauna have simply smoothed out much of the surface of the rocks. Furthermore, no tools have been found at the site, which could positively identify human settlement.

It seems certain geologists never went there to see for themselves. Also, they seem to forget that if the water has caused the rocks to smooth out, then they can forget about finding any tools or little things left from any previous civilization. Not even the debris from Titanic which sunk less than 100 years ago have survived intact to this day. Pottery and organic materials could never have withstood all those years under water. The tide could also pick up the remains and spread them all across the seabed, making discoveries difficult. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.209.7.250 (talk) 07:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

If you want to see some fancy natural geological formations : Giant's Causeway. The Yonaguni Monuments look quite common... Kromsson 20:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the lousy argument of "nature does not make angular stones". Maybe we should discuss it here, if the current version doesn't seem fair enought. Kromsson 22:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

To answer the question ("Where else in the world can we find such angular rocks?"), see the "Bimini Road" Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.83 (talk) 23:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs more work

After reading the page, it seems biased towards the structures being natural rock formations. Though I am unsure as to whether they are or not, I think the article needs to have some facts written differently (not taken out). IronCrow (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citation misinterprets article

The citation to http://www.robertschoch.net/Enigmatic%20Yonaguni%20Underwater%20RMS%20CT.htm seems to be saying that he believes that the structures are completely natural, which was not the conclusion that the article actually made.

Schoch states:

"Most recently Dr. Kimura has been referring to the Yonaguni Monument and related structures as being "terraformed," that is natural geological features that have been manipulated or modified by human hands. This is essentially the position that I have come to, so perhaps Dr. Kimura and I are converging in our opinions of the Yonaguni Monument."

and

"I am not yet absolutely convinced that it is an artificial structure - - but in my opinion, even if it is primarily natural, it may have been modified by human actions in ancient times."

I'm not sure how to modify the article to remove the inaccuracy, but keep in the reference to the very informative article on the subject. Mimir (talk) 15:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I've sorted that and a couple of other things, but it remains a pretty poor article without enough references and quite a bit of OR/speculation.--Doug Weller (talk) 15:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)