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Contents 1 Goal of Yoga 2 LIMITS OF YOGA 3 "Pashupati seal" ----> Indus Valley seals 4 Requested move 5 Yoga and Sex 6 Yōga as a Japanese art style 6.1 Yoga is the Union between the Human and the Divine 7 "Possibly Originating in India"

[edit] Goal of Yoga

It is great to see such a section in a religious practice artical. Could anyone expand on it?

I added the following text to this topic: "To put in simpler terms, the goal of Yoga is to unite the individual mind with the universal consciousness, or in another terms, the the goal is for the individual to become one with the divine principle. This can be derived from the meaning of the word Yoga, which means "Union", and it seems the English word "Yoke" is supposed to have been derived from the original Sanskrit word "Yoga".

Embhee 20:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Embhee, I have removed this text, as not all of the major schools of Yoga hold this as the aim. However, in one sense, a union (or reunion) of some form is given as the goal in the majority of cases and thus I added a small line or two to this effect at the start of the section. The detail regarding "yoke" is given in the etymology section. Best wishes, Gouranga(UK) 08:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LIMITS OF YOGA

As same as other epics of our/all releigions, there are a lots of adverse and advance talking in the "Yogshastra". And like all other releigious books there are several hypothecatic topicks init. here are some examples- First of all lets talk about the first and begning of "Yogshutra ". for your kind information let me tell that the Yogshastra has been written on "shutra" form. Shutra is a little and meaningful pharse in Sanskrit language. All the words of the shutra hsa bears a number of meanings, and there is controvercy arises. Through these controvercies it is very difficult to find any deceision. And only because of this weakness there were a lots of hypothecations and myths (an unreal story) arises. These myths develops a new superstition and superstition also produce another myths and vice-versa. Lets talk bout the forst and origin shutra of Yoga. YOGASCHITTAAVRITI NIRODHA. Yogshutra,samadhipaad, shutra-2. Chitta and vrities are the two aspects of humankind. But Yoga calls us to kill the vrities and live only with Chitt. but for your kind information, I have to say that these two (Chitta and Vritties) are not two elements. They are same or two aspects of same thing(humankind).Chitta and vrities are as same as day and night, darkness and light. In the present nature all the existings have their negatives. For example days have night, beautiful lotus have mud. If we remove the dirtynees of mud we will also loss the beauty of lotus. And it is a universal law. All the present things have their negatives. But this is nit woth chitta and vrities. Chitta and vritties are not two things Chitta forms by vritties, it means that no one can prevent it(chita or vritties)as says in Yogshutra. It is very basic and primary weakness of Yoga and through this hole all the establishments aout Yoga feels fiction. While there are several other fictions in Yogshastra- now lets see some of the - look at this shutra - SATYAPRATHISTHAYAM KRIYAPHALASRYATWM. Sadhanpaad , shutra-36, Means ones who live with truth can receive the rewards of any work of any on for himself or anyself. Now you have to deceide that how the result of any work of anyone can be received by another. How it is posible that eat one and satisfy another, not only here but this other can also send this satisfaction to anyone? What is this hypothecation?Imagination?for a false statement? If not so how it is possible? Can anyone describe it? Live with truth is a good mannaer but truth can give this kind of power. I can't beleive it. And through this epic there are several other myths have been published. We have to oppose these kind of statements. While lets look on the another shutra ASTEYPRATISTHAYAM SARVARATNOPSTHANAM Sadhaanpaad , Shutra -37. There is another type of hypothecation and a kind of grid has been offered by Yoga. In this shutra it is stated that ones who lives with ASTEY can get any kind of wealth. Here we have to know about ASTEY, it means nothing receive by anyone. And in Yogshutra it is stated that the 'asteyi' can get everything. Means one who is not ready to receive can get. If this is not a hyothecation then what is this? I am not understand that what yoga says. One who is not ready to receive can get every thing. And if it happened then what kind of cansumption he can made? And there is another major question - Is there a man of this kind? Ones who called Yogi are of this nature. This is an antiprogressive statement and according to thses kind of statements there will be says thatthe Yoga is against the progess of science. Lets talk to another shutra - here Patanjali(author of Yogshastra) says that we can knew our past births through APARIGRAH. APARIGRAHSTHARYE JANAMKATHA SAMBODAH. Sadhaanpaad , Shutra -39. 'Purva Janam' is a fiction and the yoga says about to realise it. All the frauds and business of releigions is based on myths of past borth and heaven.And it can be strongly stated that there is not nay past birth and heaven. Then anyone can knew it, how? Totally fraud! Lets talk to some other Shutra where Patanjali says about the power of yogi and offering a lots of grid to man. BHUWARGYANAM SURYE SAMYT. Bibhutipaad , shutra 27. Means meditate with sun can give knowledge about the world. Here the T.V. and oher communication resources are not necessory , only meditate with sun and knew all about the world! CHANDRATARA VYUH GYANAM. Bibhutipaad , shutra 28. Meditate with moon can give knowledge about the stars, without the help of planetorium , only meditate with moon and knew all bout the stars. DHRUVE TADGATIGYANAM. Bibhutipaad , shutra 29. Meditate with 'Dhruvtara'and knew the motion path of stars. here space telescope is useless? what is this? Lets talk about the another type of hypothecation in Yoga NABHICHAKRA KAYAVYUH GYANAM. Bibhutipaad , shutra 30. Consentration on 'Nabhi'( a place on stomach) can give knowledge about the body. There is no need to study medical science. All the information about human body can be received through consentration on 'Nabhichakar' KANTHKUPE KSUTPIPAS NIVRITI. Bibhutipaad , shutra 31. Means consentration on Kanth(a place on neck) can give the power to live without meal. Is it possible? Any a man also whom called them Yogi can live without mea? Is Patanjali himself were lived without meal? He were eat or no? But it is also as true as Patanjali himself that the took fooding. Then how he told this type of hypothecation.. Not only here but is can also be sys that nobody could follows up Aparigrah as stated in Yogashutra and Astey is also far away from the limits of practice.No such a Yogi who can follow up these situations, and not any kind of persons who fulfill this. lets talk on anther shutra - KURMNARAYAM STAIRYAM. Bibhutipaad , shutra 32. Consentration on Kurma Nari can give the stability of body. MURDDHJYOTI SIDHDARSHANAM. Bibhutipaad , shutra 33 Consentration of light on the top of head ( is there any man who have seen it)can met the Sidhdhays(Yogis).It can be said that there is not any kind of this type of light and not any result of this kind of consentration. this is a false and imaginative statement and we shouldn't have to beleive it. lets look on otherone HRIDAYE CHITSAMVITA Bibhutipaad , shutra 35. Means consentration on heart can gives the knowledge about the mind & thoughts or can give the knowlege of Psycolodgy. But I knew the psycosiololists and they knew it through his labour and practice, not through these kind of consentrations. Lets see on another shutra BANDH KARNSHAITHILYT PARCHR SAMDNACHA CHITASYA PARSHARIRE AVESHA. Bibhutipaad , shutra 39. Here Patanjali told to reach in the mind and boudy of others, which is called 'Parkaya pravesh'. It is totally false and imaginative to reach and capture the mind and body of anotherone. In anther place Patanjai says about to fly in the air and this is receive through the consentration on the light weighted things. KAYA KASHAYO SAMBNDH SANYAMATTLAGUTUL SAMPATTESCH AAKASHGAMANAM. Bibhutipaad , shutra 43. NOW YOU MAY ALSO DECIDE THAT YOGA IS WHICH KIND OF SCIENCE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.99.17.1 (talk) 09:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] "Pashupati seal" ----> Indus Valley seals

After adding new material, and the most recent discovery of a "yogi" Indus Valley seal, the "Pashupati seal" in the History section appeared to be much too long. Rather than deleting WP:RS material, I condensed the section - mostly by deprecating the dispute over whether the 'Pashupati' seal represents a proto-Shiva or Rudra figure. More modern authorities are questioning that interpretation anyway. It's also something of a moot point, since this article is more about Yoga, and only tangentially about Shiva and Rudra, and the name 'Pashupati'. This sub-section of the history of yoga should focus on the many yoga-like seals, of which the 'Pashupati' seal is just one. For that reason I also changed the title of this sub-section to 'Indus Valley seals'. Feedback appreciated. ॐ Priyanath talk 15:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It makes more sense (to me) to do it that way. Thanks. Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 19:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

(talk moved from Talk:Shirshasana#Requested move
Propose that the article be moved to the seemingly more common name Sirsasana, and that various Sanskrit interpret spellings Shirsasana, Sirshasana, Shirshasana, Shirshasan.. be used as redirects. Anyone have strong feelings and good reason why not?

This is in actuality a Proposed move, not yet a Requested move, and will not be added to WP:RM until a consensus is clear. Murgh^disc. 11:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Three leading publications on asanas:

1. The Complete Illustrated Book of Yoga (1959) of Swami Vishnu-devananda
2. Yoga Self-Taught (1969) of André Van Lysebeth
3. Master Yoga Chart of 908 Postures (1975) of Dharma Mittra

use all different spellings, respectively:

1. Sirshasan
2. Shirshasana
3. Sirsasana

Therefore, I guess it would be a better idea to find a reliable resource on the preferred spelling in English. I don't know where to find this. Isn't there Wikipedia a kind of discussion forum, where this question can definitively be tackled? Davin7 17:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Spirituality —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.241.184.2 (talk) 06:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yoga and Sex

There's been quite a few articles on the internet recently about Yoga positively affecting one's sex life. Perhaps the article should include a section on this? --24.191.124.134 (talk) 03:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

whoops, forgot to login. --Nemilar (talk) 03:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

In fact, yoga can have a positive effect on any aspect of life - it depends on what you practice yoga for. But all the mainstream yoga teachers are against boosting your sex-life, saying that it is the foremost obstacle to yoga. So I think a separate section on this is really unnecessary. --Mankar Camoran^talk 11:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This is so strange, as to how the human mind works. Yoga and sex are two different things. As far as I can understand, real Yoga should have nothing to do with sex, in either boosting it or suppressing it. Please keep them separate. Embhee (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry friend, it is your mind that is strange.... and full of innacurate ideas.

Ok, mine is too.

However there are specific yogic practices which are designed to: a) make sex better or b) cure sexual ailments and c) reduce sexual desire.

Do you want a harder errection? There are yogic practices for that. Do you want a wetter vagina? there are yogic practices for that. Do you want to be able to have sex longer? There are yogic practices for that. Do you want to let go for sexual desire? There are yogic practices for that. etc. etc. etc. Hohohahaha (talk) 22:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you my friend. I agree that there are Hatha yoga practices that are oriented towards sexual pleasures. I only wanted to clarify that it is not the main purpose of yoga. Also, Yoga in general does not "limit" itself to the Hatha Yoga part or the physical part of life. Embhee (talk) 17:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yōga as a Japanese art style

I wonder if Yōga, the Japanese art style should be mentioned on the disambiguation page, becuase if you enter Yoga in the search field it automatically navigates to this page, so it's practically impossible to get to the Japanese Yōga article unless you are aware of the exact spelling (i. e. with "ō"), which, I'm afraid, not many users are —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.66.124.179 (talk) 17:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be added along with Yōga, Tokyo and Yōga Station. --Mankar Camoran^talk 12:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yoga is the Union between the Human and the Divine

Yoga as presented by Dattatreya Siva Baba is the union of the human and the divine. See this informative video which explains how to make that connection in an easy manner using an ancient mantra. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uyvIrD-gD0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Itisitsits (talk • contribs) 19:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Stop shilling. --59.93.201.20 (talk) 15:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Possibly Originating in India"

This is a ridiculous statement. Yoga DID originate in India. Yoga qua Yoga is an Indian practice. The name "yoga" is Sanskrit and was first recorded in India. All the original major scriptures on Yoga originate in India. There is no controversy here. The existence of similar techniques elsewhere doesn't change this. --59.93.201.20 (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I realize this may have been an unintended wording error, where "possibly" refers to the dating of its origin as 3300 BCE... so I have made a Good Faith Edit. Please see article. Again, this shouldn't be controversial. --59.93.201.20 (talk) 15:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

• Exactly. Well done.--VS ^talk 04:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)