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You, come help!

OK, just checking about for articles that I can edit to some degree and although nice to see Squirrel Boy and related articles are relatively clean and edited conservatively, it's still not good. Just asking for suggestions as the article has links to articles for characters although many more "popular" shows do not as there's so little to say on them they'd rarely ever make it up from Stub status. I'm proposing a small rewrite and possible padding as I want to take out the chararcter list and create a new article (and possible headache) but it makes up the bulk of the article so I'm looking to you to help consult with this for one single sweeping edit to be made so it cleans it up a bit and adds some more information. --treelo talk 14:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I've created List of characters in Squirrel Boy for now, just a copy-paste from the main Squirrel Boy page, and nothing links to it yet. We can merge in the individual characters pages to this new, copy-edit everything, and then edit Squirrel Boy to remove all the character info.Yngvarr 15:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Nice work so far, main article seems a bit thin now though. Add a synopsis of the show at least and possibly trim down the main character bios and add them in for padding. If you can think of anything else to add, do so and I'll be the second opinion. --treelo talk 15:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll continue to work on fleshing it out; right now, I'm called elsewhere (real-life) Yngvarr 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Be careful of reverts, given such a big edit it could happen. Seeing as the articles for the characters are now essentially orphans, I'll make them redirect pages instead. --treelo talk 16:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Camp Lazlo and its many pages

Just as it's a specialist area for you, I've noticed that the main article for Camp Lazlo... well, I have a few questions about it and the offshoots and want your opinion on them.

  • Why does Camp Lazlo have a small navigation template? I know you didn't create it and you haven't edited it at all but it's worth asking why as it really doesn't work for six pages, one of which is redundant.
  • Is the species list (which oddly enough is just below the See Also section, usually at the bottom) totally needed? The character list pages should have them there with their respective characters, not just placed weirdly near the bottom as if it was sneaked in.
  • I've had one heck of a time with MGPAM, its' ever-changing character list and what passes for notable. The list seems fine to an extent but "minor" and "notable" seem interchangeable and generally speaking. If all that can be written on any character is "An air conditioner which fell from an airplane that was seen in "Over Cooked Beans" as was written for Mr. Freezy Breeze then it's not worthy of inclusion even for minor entities. My baseline stands at having an speaking appearance at least twice and possibly as a major part of those episodes. I should take that type of logic to the KND editors but they're a bit crazy there but it's my next area to goto.

Lists are not my friends and happen to not like indiscriminate lists so have a pretty dim view of them, haven't gone to see the List of places in Camp Lazlo and given how I felt some months ago about it, I reckon I won't like it though it has reason to exist. Also, everything is written in a very fanboyish style, something you were meaning to handle right? --treelo talk 16:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying to keep the edits to be a little less than drastic, so my starting goal was to clean up grammar, typos, and that stuff. I'm editing each subsection at a time (the character descriptions, places, whatnot) and adding footnote references. IMO, footnote refs make the text cleaner and easier to read, rather than seeing every other sentence starting with "In the episode..."
As for the lists, at the very least, the TOC's will be severely edited, for reasons for which I agree. While a lot of the fluff still exists for the List of places in Camp Lazlo, you might actually like what's changed (and will - see the talk page).
What I've actually been doing is setting my DVR to record each episode, so I can pause, rewind, etc, and review the articles for what's written. For example, I have a major rewrite of Raj, that'll I'll be posting soon.
I've been looking at the template, but really haven't any ideas at the moment to improve it. I looked at Foster's template, which is very nice, but a little too big, and may use some of their ideas to expand the CL template. Someone recently added a single episode, the Invaded episode, to the template, which is just not visually appealing at all. Yngvarr 16:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm happy with making the locations in CL much less listy and that's always good. Sometimes drastic edits are what's required, I haven't exactly felt like I'm doing wrong if I'm rewriting an article so the fluff, cruft and crummy prose get cut out, for the greater good and all that. Writing about where characters appear is hard and most times it'd be easier to cite what episodes they appear in and possibly refer to TV.com for episode synopses which is something I wasn't aware would be the done type of thing and would help in other lists. I've considered FHIF to be a much larger project than the other toons just by being made by either Craig McCracken as anything by him or Genndy Tartakovsky usually has a huge world within itself so basing it off FHIF is way overstretching it. Not many shows have them unless they can give a good use, CL doesn't seem to be too different, anyway it was much larger and sprawling before and now has little use and could be removed to be honest. I could rewrite some as I'm slowly progressing through episodes not aired here and building up a better idea of the characters and what's useless to write about. Got a gameplan in mind? I'd like to see where I can actually be of use and not just for CL and SB articles. --treelo talk 21:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Right now, what I am trying to do is edit the in-text phrases "in the episode..." and replace them with footnotes to the cited episode. I suspect that'll make the text read much clearer. What I did, for example, for Raj, was simply copy his whole description into a text editor, find and delete all redundancies, and relocate descriptive text so that they're adjacent, rather than in wholly separate paragraphs.
Check out my edits; even if you simply remove the "in the episode..." phrases and replace them with reference tags, without any major rewrite, that would be useful. I haven't done some, simply because I cannot recall the episode in mind, and can't be entirely sure of my memory.
I've also been trying to standardize how episodes are cited, when they are included in the text. Sometimes they're surrounded by double-quotes, but I've been replacing them with the emphasis (two single quotes) marks.
oh yea, I've been looking for over-use of parenthesis, and replacing them with clauses. Sometimes you can't help it tho.
A lot of the fancruft needs to be trimmed out, all the references to "family" and what-not. Unless specifically mentioned, there's no reason for it to be there; but, as you know, it keeps coming back.
Some of the descriptive text is useless, but I haven't removed much of it. Yet. Knowing that Edward has a pet piranha probably is of no significance, and adds no real depth to the character. Basic personality traits, recurring behavior, major plot devices, are the more important things.Yngvarr 21:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Nice, I'll try and rewrite some chunks. I was thinking about rewriting Clam's profile in the same way so hopefully I'll get that in too. People usually follow citations and the style of the article just so it doesn't stick out, be good to do it all and pick the others out when some IP editor comes along and screws it up. I think this'll rely on each of us doing a bunch of edits or one large edit then letting the other get in and do their bit, I'm well aware of notability so it should run closely to your own ideas. --treelo talk 23:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Great. I did some quick work on the Squirrel Scouts section, mostly ripping out a lot of the "she appeared in", and tried to just leave minor points of interest. I also combined the "three unnamed squirrel scouts" into a single entity, but I'm sure fanfic will still pop in. I think I might be done for the night (8pm here). I'm going to leave the "inuse" tag you put up, in case you're gonna work some more tonight. Yngvarr 23:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
That inuse tag has a purpose but you and someone else did manage to get 7 edits in, all of which I ran right over because I didn't know what had changed but it's OK, I'll look over the last diff and incorporate your recent edits for the Squirrel Scouts. It's now merely a under construction as I've given in for the night (it's whatever time the sig states but one hour more) and shall resume sometime in the future. Keep up the referencing though, hard work but the 'episode' at the end of each citation note is redundant, it's implied from the section named "Episode References" which they all sit under. --treelo talk 01:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! I just quickly checked it out, before I start my day; looks good so far. Sorry about stepping on your edits, was hoping I didn't. I like the IPA pronunciation for Lumpis, and especially the table for the footnotes (that was starting to concern me, since it was getting a bit unwieldy). Yngvarr

Bad edits are crawling back in, especially one huge edit which annoyed me as it was the same type of crap which happened at the MGPAM character article. I'd rather if we didn't document every appearance of the minor Squirrels or Beans. --treelo talk 13:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, I just got back from a weekend trip to the shore, and was kind of afraid it would happen. I looked quickly at the edits, it seems at least one other person is on "our side", and I noticed the "repeat offenders" are still trying to help. I'm kinda glad to see the "unnamed squirrels" missing, and the same will have to happen to the unnamed (fan-named) beans. I've been trying to be diplomatic, incorporating these "good faith" edits into the text, grammatically and syntactically, but it'll need some more sweeping edits.
one thing I was trying to do with my edits, is to do minor edits, even if it involved doing multiple edits to the same subsection. It helps to prevent revert-happy editors from sticking some of the nonsense back in, but maybe that's not such a good method.
Well, when I settle in, I'll see what's up, and hopefully we won't step on each other.Yngvarr 19:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I think one other is on our side but one really isn't. Most of the good faith edits are hopelessly crufty and couldn't be incorporated well without it reading just like cruft. Minor or major edits, doesn't matter as they'll still do it. Just keep at it as it's going to need tending to and I don't want another MGPAM character list on my hands where the IP editors have to be locked out. --treelo talk 23:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
right. I've gone thru again, and did some more cleanup. Just need to touch up the last section "other squirrel scouts"
One of the next painful exercises will be to dramatically pare down the episodes article. WP:EPISODE says 10 words per minute, and given each episode is ~10 minutes, that's at most 100 words, which a lot of the "plot summaries" greatly exceed. Yngvarr 00:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah? Alright then, most people do see them for documenting every event in an episode from beginning to end but it's only supposed to be a rought summary. I'll try but I've got a feeling most of what needs to be done has been done and I'm feeling redudant and need a project. --treelo talk 11:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Na, you're not being redundant, help is always good. The main characters is as clean as I think I can personally make it, but still a little fluffy. It's just a matter of doing some surgical trimming and keeping up with fan edits and people who insist on comparing it to this show or that show...

I posted a quick note on the episodes page, kind of a warning, but it's only been a day or so.Yngvarr 12:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

well, I'm going to go away for a while; that Yoko keeps adding fan fiction and refs to non-existent images, so I've filed an rfc, and am just going to step back for a day or so...Yngvarr 13:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I just had a look there, and all that is showing up is the unedited template for RFCs. It's also not showing up in WP:RFC/USER. Lucky number 49 14:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Yea, I'm still working on it, and then I closed my unsaved page and now need to start over again :-/ New to this process, so it's taking me some time... hopefully you'll check back here, and I'll put a note when done, and if you want, you can sign it, too Yngvarr 15:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I think (hope) I'm done with that
Responded to it. Thanks. Lucky number 49 17:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Yngvarr! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Daniel 04:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

A little something for your efforts

The Minor Barnstar
I, Lucky number 49 award Yngvarr with this barnstar in recognition of their attention to detail and numerous helpful small edits. Lucky number 49 00:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Warning Vandals

Hi when warning vandals like 61.68.142.131 can you please increase the warning level vandalism like this I feel should get a level two or tree warning consider the user had already gotten a level one warning 10minutes ago. Thank you and sorry if I'm sounding a bid rude but the is one of my pet peeves. --Chris g 10:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and not sounding rude; will do. Yngvarr 10:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Points

If it's not obvious yet, I'm a fairly poor editor and don't really edit as much as I think I should given the amount of knockbacks I got from one article which kinda put me on the backfoot when it comes to edits. Anyway, just a few minor issues.

  • Chowder is still a stub-class article as it's real short and still contains a stub template, I'd consider upping the level to mid once it airs.
  • My old non-friend requires regular edits, make sure it remains on your watchlist.

That's really all I can think of as you're doing decently which is good but makes me look like I'm doing nothing. Should do more but my wording is often squiffy and wrong. Enough self-critiquing, see you around. --treelo talk 18:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Old non-friend got paid a visit today, 37 times. Reverted all the extra crap but it still reads like an illiterate tween wrote it whilst cranked on Mountain Dew. Not so much a "keep an eye on it" anymore but more a "needs major edits" type situation. Would, really would because I hate the current content so much but I hate the maintenance of keeping the over-zealous fanboys' edits at bay more. It's your kid now, should you choose to accept it. Warn the guy who did the clustercrap on it also, it isn't the first time. --treelo talk 23:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Yea, I saw that earlier. I backed-out his edits to the episodes page, but wasn't watching too closely when he did his number on the characters. I put a non-warning up, and saw you put a warning up. I do agree with out, regarding the poor writing, I'll see what can be done. One minor problem (for me) is that I don't regularly watch the show, so some of the more subtle changes are easy to slip by. Yngvarr 00:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Make you a deal then, you help out with the rewrite and I'll try and keep tabs on what goes in and out even though that requires checking every diff to make sure nothing stupid or pointless gets in because I feel if you took out most of the fanprose and referenced eps you'd be looking at a pretty small list. I kinda feel also that I might not make the right call but you'll be around to make certain though there's no criteria on inclusion and a minor chars page wouldn't go amiss though really that's just pushing the problems to another article. Aside from all that, it needs a rewrite and I'm thinking of other neglected areas I should be monitoring. --treelo talk 00:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
That sounds fine. If the article turns into something small, that's just something that'll have to be taken as is. A lot of the guidelines are pretty clear on lists, television episodes, etc, and the entire MGPM series should be brought into line. If that causes grief, the only thing we can do is point out policy. I have a suspicion that if we put a concerted effort into clearing it up, some of the more persistent IP editors might back off. Yngvarr 00:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I think I'm the only one with enough knowledge on the show that could verify anything that shouldn't be there so cite guidelines, write them into the body of the article, just make sure others don't get the idea that they can write out a transcript of an episode for any part of a character bio. Teamwork is the key to this little puzzle but I really hope the more persistent of the editors backs off because I'm not so certain I want to go back to WP:RPP for a more permanent lock due to a supposed content dispute. During the time it was semi-locked, it only got around 3 edits or so during the two weeks, good from an anti-vandalism perspective but bad from a topicality one.
Sidenote here, is it you who's putting commas before and and but? Don't do that, it's grammatically bad. --treelo talk 00:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

...for the help with the template --Laveol T 12:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure, certainly hope you don't mind Yngvarr 12:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

You've been assigned to proofedit and reformat chunks of List of characters from My Gym Partner's a Monkey and associated articles. The article is in need of a major rewrite and now is the best time to clean up the article before I end up going back to WP:RPP once more. There's two specific IP editors with the exact same pattern leading me to believe that they're part of a bunch of sockpuppets ran by one person assumed to be FoxLad. The IP this person has used so far are 207.145.122.43, 66.11.249.9, 61.9.126.41, 67.171.67.249 and 200.66.57.39. Would goto WP:ARV but they don't seem to care and throw as many reasons why they're messing stuff up for everyone, they'll only see an edit war.

Thing is, one more revert and that's the 3RR broken and reason enough to block that address and request permanent semi-protection against "edit wars". Sure, it's not huge page blanking or adding indiscriminate crap but in a way it's both of those things even though it doesn't look it. There's a barnstar in it for you if you do a nice job. --treelo talk 18:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been doing off-line edits, trying to see what works well, and am sort of stuck right now. I'll keep working on it; if it needs a total rewrite in one session, well, so be it. I'm still weighing things out in my mind
as for our IP friend, well, he basically threw out a challenge on his last edit with an edit summary, "give up already!". So I've posted to semi-protect the page, and will go from there. Yngvarr 23:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see how this'll look, a lot needs to be rewritten as it's either vastly incorrect or copypasta (and copyvio by extension) and added some more things which actually are right on the main MGPAM article. --treelo talk 00:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Page is now protected, and in the meanwhile, it looks like someone named JadeOwl is actually doing a re-write right now, and it looks good so far. I guess I miss out on that barnstar! I'll just watch it for now, and leave it be. Yngvarr 18:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

My Contributions

I don't think there's a mistake on my previous edits on the List of characters from My Gym Partner's a Monkey page. I just add things on the basis from seeing some of the episodes. By the way, what talk page where you mentioning when you contacted me. Is it the one of the article? That one hasn't change for days. The one rule I know is not to add characters which are just crowd-fillers. FoxLad 23:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Please block him

The vandal (IP address is 24.20.47.60) what vandalised the "Camp Lazlo" section has also been vandalising everything in the "Ice Age" category and as such, I need you to help me to block him from editing, as he's been warned several times not to vandalise, but does not seem to listen.

Thank you--KnowledgeLord 21:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just posted it over at WP:AIV, so we'll see what happens. Last time I tried to post someone who vandalizes in this time-lapse method, it was basically disregarded, but I'll continue to post them nonetheless! Yngvarr 22:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

PvP help

Thanks for working on Player versus player in World of Warcraft. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't just turn to WoW Wiki. :) Luatha 21:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. I've been trying to do some other work on various other WoW pages. Mostly I'm trying to get them to be out-of-world, and stuff like that. Yngvarr 12:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

24.20.47.60

Hi Yngvarr - you reported 24.20.47.60 (talk · contribs) to WP:AIV for vandalism. I looked over the IP's recent edits, and could not see any that could be described as vandalism. They have been making a lot of edits, however, and it's entirely possible I missed the vandal edits. Could you provide any diffs of this vandalism? Thanks. In the meantime, I've taken the submission off WP:AIV. Neil ム 11:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for the reply. My edit summary for the AIV report was "nonsensical edits", but that might not be the best term. Here are a couple examples:
  • [1] Wikilinks which direct to misleading articles, especially based on character names
  • [2] inappropriate wikilinks, eg "Scooby Snacks" is the link, not "scooby" "snacks"

Probably one of the better examples would be the edit history at [3].

Okay, thanks, Yngvarr. Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism - vandalism is making edits deliberately intended to make the article worse. What this IP seems to be doing is not deliberately making the article worse - yes, they may be making poor edits, but it's not vandalism - they are trying to help! Could I suggest you try speaking about this, nicely, to the IP via their talk page, remembering that they may well be very new to Wikipedia and not aware what should and should not be wikilinked? You may like to try one of the welcome templates ({{Welcomeanon2}} would suit). Neil ム 12:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know others besides me have tried to work with the user, which the talk page should show. I just posted another (hopefully friendly) note pointing out these issues. Thanks again for the replies. Yngvarr 13:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I noted a few other editors seem to be unfairly characterising this users edits as vandalism. I have left a message on the talk page of the worst offender. Bearing in mind the subjects the IP is editing, the possibility that this is a very young user should also be considered, and a friendly and simple approach is best. Thank you very much for the polite and constructive edit to their talk page, by the way. Keep up the good work. Neil ム 13:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Neil, I don't know if you're still watching my talk. In any event, this editor is now on 66.190.244.68. Is this considered sock-puppetry? Here are some diffs:

[4] [5]

[6] [7]

[8] [9]


The insistence on adding very specific species is what makes me suspect; these are trivial characters, and their species are never mentioned in the show. Yngvarr 09:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

rep in Wow

Do you have any more references on that page? I nominated it for WP:DYK but the page is a bit of a confusing read, and I do not have expertise in Wow.Bakaman 23:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for nominating it for DYK! I'm still doing some editing, trying to clean it up and what not; I do want to get more refs, and I'll continue banging at it. I'm trying to keep it in an "out of world" context, so that players who don't play WoW may understand it, so I'd welcome some input on how to make it clearer. Yngvarr 23:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


Right now its one big paragraph, please consider splitting into 3-5 smaller paragraphs, separated by headers.Bakaman 00:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Need your input

Got something that I'd like some help with on the main project talkpage. --treelo talk 16:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just needing a little help or more

I was told by Rattis1 in another website that this Marcus2 was doing a war in Wikipedia especially on the Powerpuff Girls. I broke lots of rules but I completely repaired them all by apologizing but I'm sure it is not enough so I'll try my best not to break any from now on. Alert me if I do again. Marcus2 called me a LIAR in one part of the Edit war and he broke lots of rules more than I and Rattis1 did. Although he was right about the Cultural References thing and probably a little more other ones, he is still causing lots of trouble and we don't like it at all. I'm sure you would not like it too if you were me. If you find it necessary, please block this Marcus2 so we would not have anymore Edit wars. I like peace and not war so let me know what you think about this.

Thanks man, I'm looking forward to Forever Peace on WIkipedia. Night Leon 05:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Another FYI

Due to the images being deleted for that list (leaving it with exactly none) through CSD (don't ask who, history is gone for the nom), we either need to provide the neccesary reasoning for them falling under FU or upload some new images to replace the ones deleted so far.

Here's the template required for the images to justify FU with an example for reference (actually what I was inputting whilst it was being deleted): {{Non-free use rationale |Description=A screen capture of a character from the show "My Gym Partner's A Monkey" |Source=Off-air screencap |Portion=Full screen |Low_resolution=This image was taken at a low resolution |Purpose=Providing an image identifying the character in question as addition to a list of characters from the the television programme |Replaceability=No replaceable content |other_information=This image constitutes only a reference of a character and will not harm the copyright owner financially or intellectually. }}

If you're wondering like me how we missed that someone had put them forward, figure we need to goto the person who marked them CSD and ask why they didn't notify the talkpage about it seeing as the user who uploaded in the first place how been long gone. If you wish to go contact the admin who deleted them and plea our case, make it so. --treelo talk 16:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's a shame. Be interesting to see if someone tries to revert those edits :-/ But we can try to get new pictures and give a justification. Altho, fairly recently, several articles have been sweeped and images deleted (Billy and Mandy is one that I recall), WP:NFCC#8, decorative use of images Yngvarr 00:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
WP:NFCC mentions minimal use of non-free images and what was there before couldn't really be considered "minimal" and really screwed up the pageflow anyway so I'm thinking more group images, less singles. I can grab some shots from episodes so should I be doing that or getting the older ones back? --treelo talk 14:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've been thinking about this, and am leaning towards getting new images, rather than trying to get the old ones back. I figure keep away any undue bias, since they were originally deleted, they might get tagged again, even if they have a proper justification.Yngvarr 17:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm going to go with new images too, for much the same reasons and that it's not worth the effort getting some of them back anyway. As a sidenote, Camp Lazlo articles seem to be attracting a fair bit of vandalism over the last 24 hours or so, probably will stop but I'm thinking if we get more pageblanks then WP:RPP might be the way to but only for 12 hours or less. ALso, did you know about the copyright template for CN screenshots? Apparently, it do exist since July last year and I'll be using it. --treelo talk 15:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What to do...

Dunno if this is just me fretting about this but if the correct course of action for the Lazlo char list is to get rid of many of the non-main characters, where does that leave the secondaries? I'm figuring we just take the chars we cut from the main list and put them there as that seems like the best course though I'm reckoning that taking it to WP:AFD would be equally as valid. --treelo talk 19:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think it's just you fretting. But right now, I'm thinking to just wait a little while. Since the main chars article is still on full-protection, give it a little longer to settle things down.
But, we can trim down the secondary characters page, they're much too fluffy right now anyways, and contention hasn't been as great for that page as the main page. I guess they're not just as important as the others. Trim them down, and some of them can be combined into the same blurb, like the "Blue Hairly Mountain Man" and the "Wampum Springs Crew", since they all appeared in the same episode.
If worse comes to worse, if things get trimmed down as recommended, it'll make the "main characters" page small enough to merge the "secondaries", give them another section and just call it something else. I've been looking at the main characters page anyways, some of the traits and whatnot are one-time shots to begin with. I'd honestly rather not take anything to AfD, regardless of recommendations (and if a third-party were, I'd probably civilly contest it).
I'm (still) trying to get a good grip on how other ("mature") cartoons are doing things, like the Simpsons. I'm sure they've got a rabid fanbase of their own, but they also have more exposure, and more people working to keep things reasonable. I'm actually glad to hear what that Coren wrote about the Harry Potter stuff; I may just go pop over and see how that's being worked. Yngvarr (t) (c) 19:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Thing is, rabid fanbases can happily be rabid if they know what's right and what is not. Being rabid doesn't mean you're an idiot also, our issue is with a fairly young fanbase where rabidness is that more defined and less likely to be thinking if that's even worth mentioning. I'd say to go see how others manage their sprawl and report back as it were on the project talkpage so we can chew through what to do. I didn't even know there was a minor character list for Lazlo and I'm feeling it does have a place but it's weird as the notability is almost destined to be non-existent say for the Blue Hairy Mountain Man seeing as he only ever appeared once as did 90% of the characters mentioned. Better go and try and update your essay with more of my take on notability and how we do need to handle it here. --treelo talk 20:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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Accidental article recreation

Hi - thought you'd like to know that it looks like Christopher J. Mack was being speedily deleted as you AFD'd it - the result is that you've re-created the page and it only consists of an AFD template! You can probably go back and {{db-author}} the article and then speedy close the AFD (or delete it, I don't spend much time at AFD to know what's best). Regards, BencherliteTalk 23:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that, now I feel a little silly :-/ Thanks for the advice, I've tagged it as such Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry, these things happen. At least it shows that there are lots of eyes looking at these new articles and the CSD backlog! BencherliteTalk 23:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Yngvarr/Working

I think now might be the best time to get that third party involvement that I figured you may had already made moves to dealing with by now seeing as the last thing was done on Wednesday. Add {{helpme}} to this page and explain how we need a third opinion on the page, I'd do it but it's not my talkpage and it isn't in my namespace so it'd be weird if I did it. --treelo talk 11:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Help me!

{{helpme}}

A couple of us have been working on dealing with various issues on the articles for Camp Lazlo. For starters, a userspace re-write is located at User:Yngvarr/Working. We'd like some disinterested eyes to look over both the live articles, and the re-write at [[User:Yngvarr/Working, and offer some opinions. There have been a number of "issues" with this series which I can briefly outline, but the best would be to start at the title article, and look at the other individual articles (there aren't many):

  • Main Characters in Camp Lazlo

This article was the source of a massive edit war, and probably the start of it all. It's full of irrelevant trivia and what might be considered "original research". It's been in full-protection for quite some time, and I personally have no plans on asking for it to be unprotected. The edit history should hopefully be evidence enough, and talk page shows some of the conversations to try to address the issue. Finally, a third-opinion was voiced. I have no disagreement with the third-opinion, but being at a loss to address the third-opinion, it was figured that a total rehaul of the articles would be best.

These last two articles are trivial. They're one-shot locations or characters. Some are major plot foci, but only for an individual episode. Some of these don't even appear directly, but are rather referenced via casual remarks made by the characters.

The basic idea is to delete all these characters and locations articles, and move the working page into the mainspace. There are some further discussions located Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cartoon Network#Think of a name for this section. As above, right now, the main concern is to get a third-party involved and give some advice. Those of us who are active on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cartoon Network do want to get articles to a higher quality, and would have some outside assistance or input. Yngvarr (t) (c) 16:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It may be more appropriate to make a Request for Comment, instead of the helpme template. - Rjd0060 18:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
RFC? Didn't reckon that was possible but checking the RFC pages it ain't really the sort of thing seeing as there's mainly disputes and needing a third party intervention instead of a mini-peer review. Just end up being told how RFC is for disputes only and end up back here asking for help again so let's skip that step. --treelo talk 17:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Ugh, so now what? Yngvarr (t) (c) 18:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Did you try the Mediation Cabal? They can offer some help in dispute resolution.
--FastLizard4 (Talk•Links•Sign) 22:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
It's not a dispute! Only dispute I have right now is with the lack of help we're getting.--treelo talk 10:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The page looks OK to me. Note that the main article is now unprotected. I must have missed something, but I don't see much activity here, beside the usual vandalism. Note that in order to gauge consensus about the 2 pages you cited, the best might be to send them to AfD. -- lucasbfr talk (using User:Lucasbfr2) 15:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I did post those arts to AfD, but I felt that I jumped the gun and asked for it to be closed. We really wanted some outside (disinterested) guidance, and I figured that this is not a unique situation, but so far we're turning up empty. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Er, I think you may have jumped the gun because I felt you did in not asking someone to pass judgement and edit the article if at all. Someone did and seeing as it's OK to them, I would like if we moved it to the main article namespace and get a peer review if you're still uncertain of content. Sure, peer reviews are poor and for the most part useless (most returning the auto-review which is annoying) but it's the only thing we've got. You are free to AfD the two articles as well as the game article. --treelo talk 22:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Clearly not paying attention, can't move the working article as you correctly stated as it already exists and it's not possible to do it without an admin doing the heavy lifting. I checked WP:RM for the info on moves and I've gone and listed it as a controversial as it is... in some way at least. Thing is that I can't see how we warn the main article editors to the fairly large edit coming their way. If we get a decision to have it moved which usually happen fairly fast, I'll start putting the minors and locations up for AfD. Had to do something in your absence! -treelo talk 20:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Heh, sorry for lack of activity, real life has me tied up, barely enough time to keep an eye on my watchlist. Glad to see you've posted the game; if worse comes to worse, we can copy-paste, but from what I read, that is frowned upon. I'd probably tag it with working or underconstruction or whatever the tag is that puts that header at the top of the article. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Woah, wait, you mean to tag the article when it's refused a move, right? if there was a quick and dirty template-based means by which to tell others there might be a move imminent and their opinion is required I'd do it but there isn't one but I'm not putting "This article might have it's info changed, go see this talk page to discuss why it shouldn't", not like it's had many edits over the last few days. -treelo talk 21:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism reversion

Hey, On SpongeBob SquarePants (character) you accidentally reverted to another revision containing vandalism. When multiple contain vandalism, go to the view of the last non-vandalism revision (click the time of that revision in the history) then click "edit", type in a reason, and save. It will remove all changes since that revision.

An easier way is to install something like TWINKLE, but undo is fine :) AntiVMan 21:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually I do use TW, but for some reason, I didn't pay attention to the edit history, and just used the standard "undo"; oh well, glad you caught it. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you online?

I saw you were involved with a related article. I was wondering if you could help me with something. Taric25 21:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm here for about another 10 minutes, then I need to step out for a few hours. If it's not urgent, reply back. I'll check before I leave. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it's quick. I was going to upload some images for an article, and I saw you working in the video game related articles. I'm going to place {{Fairusereview}} on the image description pages. I was wondering if you could review them and replace it with {{Reviewedfairuse| pages = [[List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]] | user = [[User:Yngvarr]] | date = [[October 5]][[2007]]}}, but if you can't do it this instant, that's ok. Just let me know. Taric25 21:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Yea, I'm just on my way out the door, so it'll be a few hours before I return. I'll check it out later, just post back if you still need me (or if you find someone else to assist!) Thanks Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I still do need your help. Please take a look at the following images.
  1. Image:Super Mario RPG world map.png
  2. Image:Mushroom Castle 4-up.png
  3. Image:Same to you Bowser.png
  4. Image:Geno who.png
  5. Image:SMRPG Star Road.png
  6. Image:SMRPG Flower.png
I've placed {{Fairusereview}} on the image description pages. I was wondering if you could review them and replace it with {{Reviewedfairuse| pages = [[List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]] | user = [[User:Yngvarr]] | date = [[October 5]][[2007]]}}. (For Image:Super Mario RPG world map.png, you'll have to replace it with {{Reviewedfairuse| pages = [[Mushroom Kingdom]] and [[List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]] | user = [[User:Yngvarr]] | date = [[October 5]][[2007]]}}, since we use it in both articles.) Thanks! Taric25 00:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I checked them out and everything looked good, so I tagged them appropriately. Just curious, but may I ask why you asked me to do this, and why you want them reviewed? Yngvarr (t) (c) 02:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I was having a discussion with another Wikipedian who I believed was going to make a claim that the images are not fair use, so I did some research and found that another Wikipedian can check the image description page and review the fair use rationale by using the aformentioned template. I looked for someone online in the WikiProject, and I saw your contributions close to the current time and date, so I decided to leave a message on your talk page.
Thank you so much for your help! By the way, I notice you live in New Jersey. My brother lived there for quite some time with my grandfather and his children, my aunt and uncle.
Also, I was going to upload some more. Would you mind reviewing their fair use? If you don't mind, what time are you usually online? (I'm in the same time zone, EST, in Florida.) Taric25 18:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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WoW AfD

Sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion; I suppose I'm just a little wary after instigating that Runescape AfD - it hasn't proven to be a good way to make friends! Cheers, Miremare 01:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

cranium article

thanks for the refs. not sure what that editor was thinking. --Lukobe 04:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Danny Daniel

I've indef blocked that sock. If he pops up again, feel free to post on my user talk page; if I don't seem to be around, open a new SSP case or post on WP:ANI for help. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your speedy help! He'll probably lay low for a little while now, that seems to be the pattern. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging Duhdhhrfhfhfhfh as a sockpuppet of Danny Daniel; I attempted to do it myself but followed the wrong red link and instead created a nonsense article (which, obviously, I quickly put up for SD). *facepalm* But anyway, yes, I knew I'd seen "Spactacus" and "Robert Rotten" before! --HamatoKameko 20:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Camp Lazlo

Hm. What's the status of your outstanding request at WP:RM? I must say that you created bit of a mess... First, you could have edited the Camp Lazlo itself rather than making a sandbox fork—it doesn't look like a high-traffic page where you would be disturbed during the upgrade. If you haven't, for some reason, you could have just copy & pasted the sandbox over the main article -- edit histories are there for author attribution, and it doesn't matter much if it would appear as one single big change of yours, rather than a series of small ones. Moving the sandbox over the mainspace article could make the edit history tough to read. If the pages are in sync now, as they appear to be, should I unlist it from the RM? As far as I can tell, there's nothing to do for an admin? (please reply here). Duja► 07:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You can de-list it. I thought I was doing the right thing, but apparently not. Apologies for causing trouble, which was not my intention. Thanks. Yngvarr (t) (c) 09:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

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Thank you! Yngvarr 00:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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A what-now?

Huh, going on wikibreak then, bucko? Have a good time off, I fear for many article's general wellbeing now but hopefully I can stop some of it because it is just me out there and yknow how it is when you're not around and the place gets swaped in crap because the other guy wasn't around much either.

And I will one day get a barnstar for my doing nothing. --treelo talk 02:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

When I find myself having dreams about Wikipedia, I figured it might be time to take a break. Yngvarr 11:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I concur, that's what you get for going too deep into the bowels of Wikiepdia! The barnstars are but nothing to ease the pain of dreaming about Wikipedia maintenance. --treelo talk 03:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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A story...

If you cast your mind back, you remember the huge debacle involving the character list for Gym Partner. Recently, a new article designed specifically to me to circumvent the semi-lock on the main article and being a direct cut and paste of all the non-entities and one-shots when they were still in the list á la a certain annoying IP editor. Anyway, tried to speedy delete the article but no good thanks to a disinterested admin who's asking for me to allow that tarball of cruft to live as to appease the stupider fans even if the content is good only for a fansite.

Anyway, had to file a request for deletion and being the slow plodding piece of no-good it is needs new opinion as only two people have put forward their opinion, one for merge and one to delete. Get your say in so you don't end up patrolling this pointless list also. -treelo talk 14:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

eplist

At the moment, I've got a sandbox for a Chowder eplist which I'll be updating when the main article is updated with listings. You're free to maintain it also and yes, it's not technically a sandbox as it's live and liable to edits by anyone who's able to type "list of Chowder episodes" or been pre-emptively watching it but it's not linked from the main article or anywhere else besides here so traffic will be minimal bar the occasional bot. -treelo talk —Preceding comment was added at 15:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The official CN Chowder website episode list appears to be inconsistent with what actually aired. Someone had added the two new episodes to the main Chowder article, and they're correct (I verified the names against my DVR recordings). I'm not sure how they do things, but I'd assume that the same episodes are aired across all timezones (I'm in Eastern Time). Yngvarr 16:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm guessing the same eps will be shown on all timezones too, can't say being outside North America. So, figure that maintaining this list will be good practice? -treelo talk 17:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Curious

Just wondering why you reverted my edits at [10]? I was in the middle of editing a few sections and noticed that you reverted my edits, then backed out your revert. Yngvarr 11:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Nicely spotted, i really hoped i reverted it back fast enough to avoid hindrance :)
    In short, the TV serie chowder is not broadcasted around here, which means im rather unfamiliar with the subject. The text "a could of stink who follows Chowder around" kinda rang a vandalism warning bell in my head. The previous edit you made contained "Fart Cloud" so i assumed that you were a persistent vandal who attacked the page multiple times.

    However, when i had a better look at the page, i saw it was a cartoon serie, and earlier edits also contained this bit of information. Also, your talk page indicated that you were not a vandalism account. When i noticed that i reverted my own revert, as it was clearly not vandalism. Sorry for the inconvenience though, if any :) --Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 11:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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Chowder

As I think that the Chowder article needs some padding and we have quite a wealth of info over at Greenblatt's blog, we probably should use the content there either for imagery (which is in something of a grey area but I reckon that for him to use the images, he'd have had to get permission from Cartoon Network so could be said to be promotional) and the brief writeups for the characters to define them better as even though we haven't seen some of the aspects of the characters listed currently, they do have documented info so best to use and cite. I've cited some extra stuff for Gorgonzola so follow from there. --treelo talk 22:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Not really a response, just a simple follow-up. I did mention something about the images in the last post and still reckon one or two could be used in order to help out the article and to test the free-use for them as it's still ambiguous if you can use them to me. I'd go and upload some myself but as I'm suggesting their use here it might be figured I'll go and upload them, I'm not. Should but I'm not. --treelo talk 16:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I uploaded a group shot. I figured with the image issues we had on Lazlo, it would be better to include a group shot, rather than the individuals. It won't clutter up the article too much. If you can, check the rational, I'm never clear on what works and what doesn't. Yngvarr 15:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The issues with Lazlo seemed to be with lists, not main articles say for a specific chararcter or show. I'd stick with the group shots logic but I doub't it applies in this case. The rationale is alright, few kinks but that should handle anyone concerned. --treelo talk 18:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, OK! Back here to ask if you remember this version of the infobox I dealt with some time ago which was then removed due to it I'm assuming breaking the layout. Figure it's good to go back in though the problems would still result? Oh, and now you can say Shnitzel is a rock monster with citation even though we've known for some time he's a rock monster. --treelo talk 23:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! Hmph, I don't remember when the infobox was removed. That was an IP editor who did it, but they didn't offer any edit summary (my edit prior was to correct Shnitzel's spelling). Why not put it back in and see what it looks like? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvarr (talk • contribs) 18:58, December 19, 2007
I know, I didn't even notice it until today. Well, I did but using preview instead of actually making it go live and it still breaks layout due to the image causing the issue of a bottleneck of sorts with the text. It's back in now but I had to cut most info from the box and only add in country of origin and website link which is pretty crummy and it's that damn image (or alternatively a short leader) causing the trouble! By the way, I've added some comments in where I think there's issues, lets see if we can work at them and get there quick, someone will remove them even though you should be that person! If it is gone from the current version by the time you get to read it then here's the diff link [11] And sign your responses, makes you look sloppy, you can tell me to leave better summaries if you like. --treelo talk 01:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I addressed some of your in-line comments, trying to incorporate as much as I could. Yngvarr 12:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Missed the Cast and Crew section, the lead voice actors and production staff can fit into the infobox now so might be able to cut it out. --treelo talk 00:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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Don't worry, you weren't ;-) Everybody makes mistakes, and I'm more than happy when somobody brings mine to my attention. Snowolf How can I help? 13:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"sic" on Heffer Wolfe article

Hey. Thanks for the heads up on the sic - although I don't really agree with it. This isn't the most reliable source (in fact, if you really want to stay true to the source, you really have to change the spelling of "audience" to match the misspelled "audiance" in the reference), and I don't feel like you HAVE to copy obvious typos from references. The only time one has to retain typos is if you are preserving the character of something - a historical reference, etc. Anyways, I'll leave it up to you to figure this out and decide what you want to do. Tanthalas39 (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Noticed you're a bit down...

Can't find some award or somesuch that'll say "you're doing alright, don't let the stresses of Wikipedia get to you. You have friends!" but I'll tell you that you're doing great and that I'm much more in need of speedy deletion than yourself! Get yourself back up, get rid of the fug and keep doing what you do best. --treelo talk 23:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. In any event, not to get the threads out of order, I've sent those two articles (above) to AFD. Yngvarr 23:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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Camp Lazlo

Remember how User:Yngvarr/Working was intended to consiolidate most of the show's info and enabled us to remove the minors and location lists? Yeah, that didn't go down so well and those two lists still feel redundant especially now I've nominated the locations (and some place articles) from KND for deletion. What say you, feel the time is right to nominate those? -treelo talk 22:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh yea, I remember that. I think it's time. Also, now that the show is basically over, maybe some other work can be taken care of with the rest of the series. There are still a few outstanding episodes, but that's besides the point. I'll also check out your AFDs on the KND stuff. Yngvarr 23:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your input on the noms, already a snowball issue like you mentioned but really it's a bit stupid just how many pageforks the series has. Anyway, if we're to AfD the locations and minors lists then I'm concerned for the template which is still not much more than a glorified list of anchor links and just about related articles. When all is done, there'll be 3 articles, the main article and the episode and character lists which is fine for the show given it can't expand much further so the template might be useless to some degree. I'd use the deletion of these "deadwood" articles as impetus for a good look and rewrite of the Lazlo articles, you may nominate but I reckon at a snowball result for those noms also. --treelo talk 17:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I want to wait a little bit on offering these to AfD, maybe until after this Friday (January 4). There is still at least one outstanding episode which Murray delivered, but which hasn't aired. And I caught something out of the corner of my eye this weekend, but I don't know if it'll be a new episode. I'd not worry too much about the template, it can be massaged to fit into things.
Also, on an slightly related topic, Murray has been updating his website with a lot of interesting character information. Some of it can be used quite nicely. I don't know if you keep an eye on Rocko's Modern Life (Murray's other work), but User:WhisperToMe has been doing a similar incorporation into those articles. Yngvarr 19:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, I'll trust your view on the Lazlo content being the main custodian. I do watch the Rocko article but don't maintain it even though it was one of my favourite shows as a kid and what WhisperToMe's doing is very good. We're doing something similar so I'm happy Joe released this info. --treelo talk 20:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Indent. These are done. The settings has been deleted, so I've added some minor text to the main article. The minor chars was (unfortunately) redir'ed to the main characters page, and pasted into the bottom. For which I disagree, but it's an admin so I'm not going to bother arguing. I've started to trim it down some degree, starting with the pets and the "others". Once those are reasonable, we'll start in on the mains, removing some of the cruft that crept in over time. It appears that the article is still under semi-protection, too. Yngvarr 00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd argue with an admin if I thought their choice of handling was incorrect and yeah, I think a straight up deletion would have worked as to me the minors list was filled with absolute non-notables or one-shots, if it wasn't and actually had content worth keeping I'd have merged it in myself. I wouldn't pare down the stuff right at the bottom though as much of it is very much non-notable although someone probably would warn your butt like they did mine, must remember to fill in the summaries when cutting 20Kb of crap from an article. Anyway, I'm not totally surprised the list is still semi-prot'd and probably should stay that way given now there's nowhere for the "pets" and other one-shots to go. Do what you can, when the steely gaze of the over-vigilant has shifted elsewhere I'll dig about and edit a little. --treelo talk 01:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, that kinda sux that someone warned you on that. I don't know if it would be worth mentioned it to them, and point them to here for discussion, and the AFDs. Either way, it's pretty much uncalled for, sorry about that. Right now, I'm going to retire and see what tomorrow brings. Yngvarr 01:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I would but it was only for not filling in the edit summary field and it's unlikely they'd hear me being one of those whose usually everywhere at one time and probably just reverted and warned like with anyone else. It's troublesome but I don't mind it that much as I still got to make my large edit and hopefully it sticks. You might consider putting some of the chararcters I removed back in but I wouldn't accept them back in unless a good writeup can be done without padding for appearances and one-off personality traits. --treelo talk 02:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this is what I'd call a WTF moment. Another bot reverted your edits with a less-than-helpful summary. I think it might just be that the article is semi-PP, and the changes triggered some sort of size difference. I'll try to fiddle with it and see if your edits can be re-incorporated. Yngvarr 10:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
It was a semi-prot issue, as the help section for the bot states:

Restricted changes - Either A) the edit was identified as being consensus rejected edits of a banned user or B) the edit was identified as changing too much text at once for a shared IP/very new user on a page that banned users tend to attack. Additionally, it could simply refer to "page blanking" of any page while the bot is on RC patrol.

Apparently I don't edit it enough to make such huge edits and must be very new, damn bots. Just thinking, why rewrite the sections to condense it if the characters weren't actually notable even for the minors list? This whole issue of being reverted twice for cleaning up some admin's sloppy decision to merge an article better suited to being deleted given the amount of pure garbage in there is stupid and making me reckon sometimes Wikipedia might be working against me on some level. Nothing below Miss Mucus is worth keeping so instead I'll leave some comments within the article to direct you as to where to get rid of the insignificant without you getting reverted too. --treelo talk 14:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Keeping up with the sockpuppeteers

Seems KL is back or at least I reckon it to be. Anyway, keep an eye on User:GregFK360 and puppet User:GregFK2 as shooting them off to WP:AIV didn't get much and would be better listed on WP:SSP instead. I don't do great writeup for potential sockpuppets as you can see so I'm handing it to you as you seem good at getting sockpuppets blocked.

Also, in the ongoing non-issue in the PPG article, the main protagonist User:Marcus2 seems to have a sockpuppet or two. As mentioned before and also here, check it over and add some evidence if possible. A barnstar will be up for grabs if we can get a successful ban of either the IP puppets or the main guy himself for disruption. --treelo talk 05:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I've submitted a case [[12]] for the second one. As for the Greg socks, that still has me scratching my head. I was actually of the mind that they might be User:Danny_Daniel, but they don't exactly match Danny. They don't really match Komodo Lover, either, but I'm still looking and seeing what I can find. Yngvarr 11:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I reckoned they weren't Danny pretty early on but it had some traits of KL (i.e. talking in very simple English like that of a developmentally challenged child) which has me semi-convinced of them being KL. Eitherway, if there's no contribs from either account then consider it cold as they may end up returning. --treelo talk 12:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Check user Marcus2

Are you expecting me to respond to this: [13]? I don't know if I should. 70.101.182.149 (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

That's totally up to you, I don't really care one way or another. I just posted out of courtesy for everyone involved. Yngvarr 15:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
RFCU flagged up the IP addresses as being used by Marcus2, best to mention it on the sockpuppet case --treelo talk 14:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I see that you've already posted on the SSP. I guess there's not much we can do now, just wait and see how the SSP case pans out, and what the admins decide. Yngvarr 19:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Question: how is a user able to make a "direct hit" on another user in regards to using another IP, as Blnguyen claims? 70.101.182.149 (talk) 21:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
In this case, what the checkuser is saying is that you and Marcus are the same person, because the IP addresses in question have only been used by Marcus. Beyond that, you'd have to bring it up with the admin in question to figure out what is used to determine the match. I'm not saying if you are, or if you are not, because that's up to you and the admin to figure out where to go from here. Yngvarr 21:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
From what I know of the checkuser tool, it's IP based. If both the IP addresses used by User X and another account be it an anonymous IP user or a registered user are the same then that's a pretty grounded confirmation that they're the same person[14] [15]. Simple enough and fairly infallible, what happens now is probably a ban on all accounts concerned given the policy being broken with some amount of certainty. --treelo talk 22:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Murray and Camp Lazlo

"I seem to recall reading somewhere with Joe Murray talking about some of the details of Camp Lazlo; specifically how he wanted to present certain details, such as the sky being yellow. I can't find the reference offhand. Wonder if that might ring a bell for you?"

I do not recall such details, but try searching on Google, or e-mail Murray himself and see if he points you to where the info is from. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup, google is your friend. I found it [16] Yngvarr 19:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Yay! Do you think that you have enough real-life info to make Lazlo the character into a separate article? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
There certainly appears to be quite enough info to justify it. The only possible concern I can think of is that the sources are primary (from Murray), there may be challenge over lack of secondary and/or tertiary sources. Other than that, as far as I can see, it surely satisfies verifiability and notability. Quite a bit of the existing text would need to be removed, much of it is trivial and would probably qualify as WP:OR. Yngvarr 11:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, once I found a review of Camp Lazlo (want third party stuff? Get reviews! Then add reviewer's descriptions of characters) - And I decided to use it as my third party source. See: Lazlo (Camp Lazlo) - I do not watch the show, so if you want to, please decide what is frivolous and what isn't. :) - By the way [[Category:Camp Lazlo]] was nominated for deletion. Check the CFD page. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I like this kid, should give 'em a barnstar or something. I like it but isn't much of the content from primary sources? Seems fair that primary sourcing could be used given it's not exactly overrun with secondary sources beyond a couple of archived reviews. Anyway, the main Lazlo article was redirected because the content before didn't justify it's existence and currently what's there does but not much beyond a stub and if you're going to give Lazlo his article back, people will argue that you may as well give Clam and Raj theirs back also. As for the category deletion, that's fine given it's only a small pool of articles now (and for whatever reason this talkpage). Just my two cents, Yngvarr will know about Lazlo as well as I do but it's his talkpage so... --treelo talk 02:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
As for it being my talkpage, I don't mind if we discuss things like this here. I'd not the "keeper" of the Lazlo (I'd not want to be accused of WP:OWN), so if these kind of discussions are more appropriate elsewhere, that's fine, too.
For Lazlo vs. Clam and Raj, I actually was thinking that myself, but it's fairly easy to knock down Clam and Raj. Murray spent a lot of time developing Lazlo, much more than the rest, and he documented much of that development. There's not near enough of the same kind of documentation for Clam and Raj. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvarr (talk • contribs) 11:56, January 16, 2008
You'd only be accused of WP:OWN if you were being over-zealous and blocking anyone else from trying to change the article at all, that you're talking about it says you're not exactly assuming ownership anymore than WhisperToMe is. Now that some edits have been made to the Lazlo article, I can see why it was redirected and doubt a redirect and merge back into the main article would make a significant difference. Oh, one more thing. Sign. --treelo talk 17:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I can go either way right now. It is a bit slim, but I do think it can withstand a challenge, if it comes to that. So we'll just have to see where it goes. WhisperToMe has been doing a great job digging up little nuggets of real-world info, it wouldn't surprise me to see some more stuff added. Yngvarr 17:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I added some more content from two reviewers, who uncovered some more traits. See if you can find a way to add material from the actual episodes without veering into OR territory - Perhaps look at what was deleted and see what can be salvaged. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, that CN press release with the interview also contained character bios! Now I can source statements about personalities. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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Just some links to keep in mind:

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/old-brew/review-camp-lazlo-cartoon-network http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/Camp-Lazlo.html http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue428/screen3.html http://family.go.com/entertainment/article-csm-79658-tv-review--camp-lazlo-t/ http://www.genreonline.net/Cartoon_Network_INVADED_CN.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvarr (talk • contribs) 07:12, January 16, 2008

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Returning guests

Be aware that User:Crips r us, soon to be User:Numbuh 7 or somesuch (Numbuh 7 is already taken),is a known sockpuppet. I've been in talks with Elaich and GlassCobra and we're pretty certain that it's Claymort (or Greg as he likes to be called now) returning to see us again. If you're unaware, he's a long term issue for some editors and has a legacy of being a completely aggressive and attention hungry vandal not to mention that when he does edit correctly, it's pretty crappy. He is probably checking this and may pop along later to state how he's not Claymort but Greg but ignore that as they're the same person and I feel that "Greg" has some mental issues which causes this sort of thing. --treelo talk 22:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I was not aware of that. Now, I just need a /facepalm emote, cause after Marcus and then Danny recently popping up again, well... Yngvarr 22:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Totally understandable but hey, that's why I try to stay out of most of the stuff involving vandals! This guy though, I want him put down for good because I have not seen such anger in one person before for no good reason and he's like a cancer so I'd like to cut him and any meatpuppets out. --treelo talk 22:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
[17] Yea, thats a keeper. I wish we could add user contribs to watchlists. I'll try to keep an eye on things. Hope I didn't let a bull loose in the china shop (altho Mythbusters proved that old saw wrong). Yngvarr 23:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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Some info about Rocko awards/nominations

I found a work that discusses awards/nominations, but I have incomplete information: Talk:Rocko's_Modern_Life#Award_mention_in_an_almanac_-_But_what_is_it_about.3F WhisperToMe (talk) 06:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Any luck with Rocko and the almanac?

Did you get any luck with finding what the almanac is describing? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Ooops, my apologies. I did find some information, but only thru the OCLC catalogs. It's a Daytime Emmy Award from 1993. Unfortunately, none of my local libraries has the almanac in their holdings. Yngvarr 10:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
If we know it is a daytime Emmy award, we can just cite the 1995 almanac since we know what it is saying, right? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why not. The almanac has an OCLC listing (an an ISBN, I think?) which should be sufficient for citation purposes. Yngvarr 19:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Alright - I did so :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind, but I stuck the ISBN in there, too. Yngvarr 20:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the ISBN. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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More Rocko-related news articles

Check the talk page - I found some news articles - If you have library access and could get the articles and find more details it would be great! I have schoolwork at the moment so I will not use the city library at the moment. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor review/Yngvarr

Hey, I noticed you haven't gotten much in the way of reviews from the review you requested way back in November. I'm trying to clear out some of the backlog there, are you still interested in a review? Or should I work on a different one? Figured I'd ask since it's so old & you may have lost interest or something :-P Peace, delldot on a public computer talk 04:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, I had totally forgotten about it, given the low response I got from it. I would still like to see what others think, so please feel free. Thanks. Yngvarr 10:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Done :-) delldot talk 07:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the time you took. I've added a few inline comments to some of your questions, if you are interested. Yngvarr (c) 23:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Responded. Will you archive that sucker when you're done with it? I'm watching it, so I'll see any additional responses. Peace, delldot on a public computer talk 11:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Was going to be something but...

Was going to do a long thing on the newest arbitration case to do with character and episode articles and whatever notability or cruft may be associated but no, it's just me being unhappy with the case putting a halt on a stupid, useless one-shot listing list of incredibly minor characters which was going the way of "Keep" anyway. The arbitration matters to me as it'll affect my ability to crush the articles of crap more for a fanwiki than here and that is all. Can't say much more, one of the guys involved helped us to get rid of the KND and Foster's article bloat so I'm on his side for this. --treelo talk 00:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

So I see that issue is still going on... I followed it for a little while, but it's just more drama, and I ended up removing ANI from my watchlist. That's where I first caught wind of it. Well, in any event, with ArbCom pending, the AFD will be open for a long time. I've added my opinion, for what it's worth. Yngvarr 01:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Yup, still ongoing and this won't do much either as it's more a policy change that's required over that which they got going now as it's achingly unclear on much. I'm expecting a holdout for a while with this deletion sitting there like a broken elevator and can join my everlasting sockpuppetry case. Thanks ArbCom for letting the idiot fans win... again. --treelo talk 01:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Nice, result was 'Keep' for my AfD as "the arguments for keeping were stronger" which kinda points out the major flaw in WP:SPINOUT, think a chunk of an article is cruddy, bringing the remainder down but need to get rid of it? Give it it's own article and it'll survive if the parent is good, irregardless of true article quality! Pah, shows should only have at least 3 articles, main, major character list, episode list and maybe some episode articles if they're particularly important and that's it. No farking about with useless minor villans lists like that one, they just don't exist. Enough griping, time to add a merge tag so I can trim it with respect. --treelo talk 21:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
My word, that's frustrating. Looking at the arguments for keep, there's no argument behind people saying "keep"! Yngvarr (c) 22:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm blaming the article creator, had they not mentioned the fact it was a space conscious split the article may have very well got a vote of delete. Guess they mistook "take out" to mean "make a new article" instead of the Mafiosi sort. I dunno, the guy who spun the article off just sounded like a complete idiot who was simply pissed at the idea of his precious nonsense article being up for deletion again knowing it was deadwood. No matter, I will get shot of this unsinkable thing which only survived due to a guideline through judicious use of clipping away until it's all gone. --treelo talk 22:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dreadlocks

I've no idea what happened there - but the right outcome came out afterall. I've got to use "preview" every time. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Replied here [18] Yngvarr (c) 15:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

River Shiel

Understand your reluctance, but I decided to create River Shiel. MSGJ (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries, that's why I made a comment rather than just creating or declining. I figure it's better to get more eyes if there's any questions or doubts. Yngvarr (c) 15:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree. We should do more of that for the less clear-cut cases. MSGJ (talk) 08:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 4 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Misha: A Mémoire of the Holocaust Years , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Maxim(talk) 21:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Our Life

If you watch one of TK and Egge's Movie Preview video, they tell you that they're making a film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.5.185 (talk) 17:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but can you please refresh my memory for what this is regarding? Yngvarr (c) 17:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

This link here --> [19] TK(film) (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Please review verifiability, which is the policy requiring that sources be verifiability. For information on what is considered reliable sources, you'll want to look at examples. But to simply this: you submitted a single YouTube source for an upcoming movie with no information. Finally, WP:MOVIE explains the basic requirements for a movie to be listed. Yngvarr (c) 21:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Your apology

Hey, no big deal. It's still pretty stubby, but all local places are notable, and one that was in Domesday Book even more so. I mostly wanted to re-write the lede to fit our standard format, which (to me) is always the first step in article creation: "identity what the heck we are writing about!" --Orange Mike | Talk 15:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Need input

User:JSH-alive has recently made a suggestion to make a disambiguation page for the other international variants of Cartoon Network and sister channels. Sadly, I think their implementation of their idea is convoluted and plain dumb so would like you to put your two pence forth as I won't allow such an idea to go ahead in it's current state. Discussion here --treelo talk 13:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Proportionator

I added to and made some editing adjustments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.154.212 (talk) 17:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Done, altho to be honest, I'm not entirely satisfied with it, and personally would not be surprised it it went to articles for deletion. Yngvarr (c) 18:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

FA-FL drive

WikiProject Articles for Creation Featured Article Drive

WikiProject AFC is holding a one month long featured article drive!
The goal of this drive is to fill the empty Category:FA-Class AFC articles category. Good articles are welcomed as well.

Awards to be won range from the AFC barnstar to... well, the AFC barnstar. The drive page is located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Featured Content Drive.

This drive was organized by Nousernamesleft. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 03:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC).

Just reminding you! Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 01:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:assess redirect

Actually, case does matter. WP:assess doesn't work. (If you don't agree with my idea of pointing it to Template:grading scheme then let's point it to the same target as WP:ASSESS.) 69.140.152.55 (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Must be something odd about the search box, cause the link you gave was redlinked, but when I type into the search box, it works. In any event, I've created the redir. Yngvarr (c) 15:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

BAZEOS TOWER

should be rejected unless permission has been obtained. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, but I felt like I've been monopolizing AFC today, so I was just picking and choosing. I noticed that when it was submitted, and meant to comment on it, but one thing leads to another... Yngvarr (c) 15:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Greymatter

Hi - I've been away for a few days, but I think I've put the required notice on the Greymatter page now, although it seems to be redirecting to a page Grey matter now? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by The original kiden (talk • contribs) 16:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

There are a few things that need to be considered:
  • First, make sure that you have an e-mail address on your account. If there are concerns about copyright, someone from the Wikipedia Foundation may contact you. You can set that in your Special:Preferences. You may need to enable e-mail from other users, but I am not sure. Since it's the Foundation who may contact you, they can probably get your e-mail address as long as it's in the account profile (even if invisible).
  • Second, you also need to make sure that the band complies with notability, which is at WP:BAND. That is fairly self-explanatory. If the band doesn't meet those requirements, it may be deleted under WP:CSD#A7, or taken up for deletion debate. I won't get in your way, if you choose to proceed, but I am just trying to be helpful.
  • Almost last, but not, you might want to add a GFDL disclaimer on the website. It doesn't need to be in-your-face, but somewhere that can be seen. This point is just a suggestion, something I myself would consider, but I am not sure if it's required, as long as you've granted permission here.
  • Finally, if you're comfortable with those issues, you'll want to revert the redirect, and re-edit the article in question. You can see the history at [20], and you'd pretty much just want to undo the last entry that is a redirect. That'll take it to the last version, which is the copyright notice, so you'll want to edit it pretty fast before someone else tags or deletes it. Yngvarr (c) 16:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on User talk:202.177.162.78. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. You should have told him about WP:MOS first! – i123Pie biocontribs 18:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Awarding Barnstar

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashion fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Wikipedia a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Pluggy

Updated DYK query On 8 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pluggy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

This was one you created through WP:AFC so extra thanks for that. BencherliteTalk 10:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

steak and BJ

actually my posting on steak and bj day is not a joke and who gives you the power to decline it. It was well researched and well written. if you would have taken ten minutes to track or even verify my references, you would have seen that I am very serious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.117.72 (talk) 19:24, April 10, 2008

Fine, submit it again, and someone else can decline it. Yngvarr (c) 23:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, I will. your criteria for rejection are invalid. It is a factual event, whether the holiday itself is comedic or not is a debate that could be had, however, the fact that it exists and is a discrete piece of knowledge is not disputable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunseasurf (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
And it's a debate that already happened. Why are you submitting articles under anonymous AFC when you obviously have an account? Yngvarr (c) 23:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK through AFC

Updated DYK query On 11 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Sugar Point, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Good work once again! BencherliteTalk 00:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You deserve this

The Articles for Creation Barnstar
For all your immense help and contributions to Articles for creation, I, Thisisborin9, award you this AfC Barnstar. You deserve this! Thisisborin9talk/contribs 06:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hi

I am replacing it with the category UPCOMING TELEVISION SERIES, because then we have to same categories..

1. UPCOMING TELEVISION SERIES 2. UPCOMING TELEVISION SHOWS (which is not needed, since a few shows were in that category).

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Sam Liu

Just a heads up - this one may need to be watched closely. I rejected several Afc requests for this person yesterday (04/15). I left a message on the talk pages of the submitter(s) that this person wasn't notable enough yet. ArcAngel (talk) 18:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I was wondering why that particular name sounded familiar! Yngvarr (c) 18:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Note to self

Online Etymology Dictionary and The Word Detective: [21]

Some interesting hits:
http://www.education-world.com/awards/past/2000/r0400-19.shtml http://www.sunchronicle.com/articles/2004/06/26/opinion/opinion5.txt http://ftedit.ny.publicus.com/article/20080213/NEWS/802130331/1031/2006 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5DE1430F937A25753C1A96F958260 http://www.linguistlist.org/sp/Blogs.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-02-11-making-whoopee_x.htm

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Barnstar

The Bluegrass Barnstar
For your creation of the Battle of Little Mountain article, which had been on WikiProject Kentucky's list of requested articles for some time and chronicles an important battle in the history of our commonwealth, I present you the project's signature award, the Bluegrass Barnstar!

Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 14:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Another one? You're doing awesome for yourself sir, if you ever decide to put yourself up for RFA you got yourself a strong support from myself. --treelo talk 14:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I've been playing with WP:AFC, and those were from there, so I can't really take credit. Still, it's nice to see. I like WP:AFC, cause I find that I'm not getting attached to the articles! As for RFA, meh, I get enough drama in Real Life... Yngvarr (c) 14:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember that you'd most likely never want to be an admin so just put it in as a small joke. Anyway, a barnstar is a barnstar and whilst doing nothing work like I do gets you nothing, pratting about in AFC and making a couple of stubs does get you a whole bunch of random barnies. Maybe I'm in the wrong place... --treelo talk 15:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for the article you afc'd

Updated DYK query On 24 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Bowman (pioneer), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 13:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

A comment in the history for the stereology page at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stereology&action=history

Makes the following allegation by Paddbear "Stop it, Bob."

I would appreciate it if this incorrect allegation were immediately removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.154.212 (talk) 19:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 26 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Little Mountain, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Lady Aleena's RfA

Yngvarr...Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. Through it I have become aware of a great many people who can help me in my future editing endeavors. Even though I was not promoted, your support shows that I still have something to contribute to Wikipedia, even if it is minor edits to fix spelling and grammar to working in WikiProjects to help others make great articles. If you wish to further discuss the nomination, please use its talk page. Stop by my talk page anytime, even if it is just to say hello. Have a wonderful day! - LA @ 03:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon Network (US)

There was a bit of vandalism that named a real person and made disparaging remarks... I usually like to get rid of things like that so it doesn't appear in the article's history, hence the temporary deletion. ... discospinster talk 21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I saw your restoration. I must have hit refresh right in the middle of your work, so I deleted my comment once I realized what you were doing! There's been a bit of minor dispute over things, which is why I kinda panicked. Yngvarr (c) 21:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that you redacted your comment, but I just thought I'd fill you in in case you come across a similar situation. ... discospinster talk 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Creation timestamp on an article you CSD'ed

Here you go:

(diff) 18:19, 9 May 2008 . . ChillingPenguin (Talk | contribs | block) (1,227 bytes) (←Created page with 'This is a list of other characters from My Gym Partner's a Monkey Cyril Bear: a brown bear who looks annoyed. (see the eyebrows.) Dickie Sugarjumper: a former Cla...')

... discospinster talk 00:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... when I look at the user log, it says:
17:52, 9 May 2008 ChillingPenguin (Talk | contribs | block) New user account
Perhaps the time stamp changes depending on the time zone of the user looking at it. If you brought the page log up it might have shown 19:19 instead of 18:19. Are you in the central time zone? ... discospinster talk 00:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Y'know what? I just looked at my Preferences and it had the wrong local time. I'm in the eastern time zone (-4 offset) but it had me at -5 offset. So here are the "correct" time stamps:
  • 18:52, 9 May 2008 ChillingPenguin (Talk | contribs | block) New user account
  • (diff) 19:19, 9 May 2008 . . ChillingPenguin (Talk | contribs | block) (1,227 bytes) (←Created page with 'This is a list of other characters from My Gym Partner's a Monkey Cyril Bear: a brown bear who looks annoyed. (see the eyebrows.) Dickie Sugarjumper: a former Cla...')
Much better. ... discospinster talk 00:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Never file SSP cases

I have never had much success with sockpuppetry cases, every one I have is often very stale by the time someone gets around to it. Last one I filed didn't even get touched for 10 days or so, aren't these things usually supposed to be actioned on within a few days even with an interested admin being informed? Meh, same as for RFCUs, also incredibly slow and likely to be Stale when action gets taken. Damn you Wikipedia for having such slow methods to combat some vandals when others get action within hours! Either that or Rlvese has taken a dislike towards me and not said anything. treelo talk 23:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea, somewhere along the RCFU it even says that they need to be processed fairly fast, otherwise the data will be lost. It is a PITA. I've pretty much removed my activity from most of the admin areas, because it's ludicrous everything that's involved... Yngvarr (c) 00:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The administrative procedures have become slow, blundering behemoths crushed under its own weight. Add to that the red tape, ignoring WP:IGNORE for much of the time and yes, the cabal (as it's pretty much impossible for something community based with a hierarchy which has existed for so long on the internet to not have created one) you end up with problems which drive people like us away from much of the administrative areas. We'd be good but why do it? Still got a pdsychopathic vandal on the loose, articles that shouldn't exist exist even after an AfD (got a CfD now which has no responses on a page filled with responses to other CfDs) and so much else that maybe it's time for my wikibreak again... or something... Uh, what are we talking about? treelo talk 11:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
So I see it finally got resolved, altho it almost feels like the closing admin just "did it". I guess you needed to dangle a carrot or something. Yngvarr (c) 10:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't have to do that though, I can understand Rlevse's reasoning about him not getting involved as he had adopted GEM and couldn't really maintain a neutral ground on it. Though I'm real glad the checkuser paid off and got most of GJ's IPs a one to two year block I'm very annoyed that I had to mention it to get any movement. Hm, mark it down as one of those weird things that goes on here I guess. treelo talk 11:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah, get this. Got to admire the little asslick, bowing out as if he left of his own accord and could use the account again and still holding up the pretense of being some kid caught in the crossfire. Maybe he'll end up like the Legend of G and end up part of "the colective" after talking to GJ, I know Rhode Island is small but it isn't that small. Seriously though, I really don't think indef blocked sockpuppets should be allowed to edit their own talkpages for this reason, allows them a means to spread their disinformation and hate, doubt I could get all the sockpuppet's pages fully protected but worth a shot though it's not really blatant vandalism like abusing the unblock tag and usually don't protect fully unless that's the case. treelo talk 16:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's worth a bit of a chuckle. I'd even call that cheeky. But if there was any doubt about GEM, there's probably none now. Any genuinely innocent user accused of SSP, blocked, etc, will usually put up more of a fight or argument. As for the page prot on the talk page, I don't have any diffs, but I do know that, in the past, admins have fully page-protected the talk pages of blocked/socked editors. You might just have to dig thru history of RPP to find a precedent. Addendum: User:WoW is the quintessential example, and that one is fully-PP'ed. Yngvarr (c) 17:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Can't always fall back to WoW for precedent, he's infamous whilst GJ is merely a mentally unstable/deficient kid with internet access having a psychotic episode/war with someone on a website. Heck, I wouldn't even goto User:Grawp for precendent and he's made his mark well known. GJ isn't worthy of being called a WoW or a Grawp, he's much too small fry for that and knows it. He's a tricky one in that each time he returns he gets a whole new idea which makes up the reasonable doubt I've mentioned before but he's also intensely dumb and multiple personalities whilst cute also make you look a dumbass when they're all clearly the FUCKING SAME PERSON! Ugh, kid needs to get laid or something. To be totally upfront I simply don't care for the retard, I know he's reading so let it be known I'm not paranoid when someone's so damn obvious with their attempts to attack me (for what? If I ever beat someone near to death in real life then they can attack me but not for catching them doing something they shouldn't) they may as well have gone around with User:I'M NOT PART OF THE COLECTIVE OR GREG, REALLY. I'm as emotionally involved with him than I am with any other vandal I've handled in the past and that's a big ol' nothing but procedure. Also, vandals are vandals when they do more than the wiki version of writing "Greg wuz here" on someone's wall otherwise they're just pathetic and should find a new hobby.
Back to my thing though, I figured that indef-blocked sockpuppets had their talkpages PP'd as par for procedure. If not, why? A checkuser confirms that a sockpuppet has been operating, gets blocked but the admin doing this doesn't protect any page whatsoever when they really should. They can't appeal so why do that? treelo talk 17:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)