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Contents 1 The Legal status of Hawaii Page 2 LGBT WikiProject Newsletter 3 indigenous peoples of the americas -- Demography section MOVE? 4 Problems with other Custer-related articles 5 Monaseetah 6 Thanks (re: Lesbian race) 7 Moscone-Milk assassinations 8 ESADE 9 Overwhelmity 10 Holy! 11 Dreadstar RfA 11.1 Credits 12 Bluemarine RFC 13 Thanks... 14 Dividends 15 Request for Adoption 16 Another request for adoption 17 Twinkle 18 Twinkie defense 19 Editing 20 LGBT WikiProject Newsletter 21 Apology 22 LGBT WikiProject Newsletter 22.1 Alice and her harasser 22.2 Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher 22.3 "My Fellow Americans" 22.4 Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages 22.5 Beat writer arouses Irish guy 22.6 Love those Texas Longhorns 22.7 Point and Counterpoint 22.8 Drudgery on offer 22.9 "My Fellow Americans" redux 22.10 This month's Wiki stars 22.11 And the Oscar goes to... 22.12 Fresh faces to brighten our pages 22.13 Leather and lace 22.14 Late breaking news 22.15 Champagne dreams and caviar kisses 23 LGBT WikiProject Newsletter 24 Notice of Inactivity 25 Inactive 26 Who do you think you are? 27 Barnstar 28 Thanks for your contributions!

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[edit] The Legal status of Hawaii Page

Aloha Yksin -- I could really use your help as a member of the CSB project to take a look at this page and give your mana'o (thoughts). I am currently in a bit of a struggle over a question of "undue weight" (it is true that Hawaiians are now a minority in Hawai'i, and those both knowledgeable in history and willing and able to speak out about it are a relatively small group, but I don't think the indigenous viewpoint being squashed is ok either). I am not asking for anyone to participate in the struggle itself, but there needs to be a broader perspective, so if you can take a look at it and give your thoughts (it's okay not to know anything about the subject; it might be better that way), it would be really appreciated! I appreciate honesty, even if you do not agree with me. Aloha, --Laualoha 04:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue IX - September 1, 2007 Message from Coordinator: It's been almost two months since the last newsletter came out, so there are a fair few people who haven't really been kept up with our project. I'd like to welcome all those who have joined and those who have returned, and strongly reccommend that you use the talkpage for any queries or problems you have. Happy editing! Article News The ongoing effort to create a comprehensive list of LGB people has begun to bear fruit - /A AND the /W-Z lists have been featured! Congratulations to Dev920 and SatyrTN who nominated them respectively. Please consider pitching in the the remaining lists to help us get them finished before the end of the year. Project News WP:LGBT now has an IRC channel! It is #LGBTProject on Freenode. Users without IRC or Xchat can use the java app at java.freenode.net to access the channel from their web browser. Hope to see you in there sometime! David Shankbone has taken a LOT of photos. An idea has been mooted to create a page for listing people who are willing to take images in their area on request, please give your thoughts here. Considerable discussion has recently been held on our coverage of same sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships. You may be interested to read it. The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now been reduced by over 30%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect! A gay cabal conspiracy ghost has been created to do with what you will. :) Wooh, massive gay conspiracy... Member News Since the last newsletter was released, we have had more members been labelled inactive than who have signed up - please consider recruiting a few more people if you can, a WikiProject is only as good as its members. :) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

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[edit] indigenous peoples of the americas -- Demography section MOVE?

Dear Yksin: you seem up on the demography section Indigenous_Peoples_of_the_Americas#Demography_of_contemporary_populations. Any thoughts on my proposed move of the section to a new page? Talk:Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Demography_section--send_to_its_own_page.3F Dylanfly 15:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with other Custer-related articles

Hi Yksin. Although the trouble with the Washita article has been partly dealt with, and the article is now much better-referenced and more neutral, there are still lots of problems with several other articles dealing with Custer's campaign. This time it's under- or poor referencing and blatant anti-Custer POV (e.g., edits like these). On the talk page of Wikipedia's article on Custer, I wrote that I intend "to delete the entire section [on Little Big Horn] in a week or two, and replace it with a much briefer summary of the battle, that's sourced". But the article on the Battle of Little Big Horn is almost as bad, and I'm not really sure what to do here. What are your thoughts? --Miskwito 20:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoa. This guy really had it in for Custer, didn't he? Only other edits from this IP were several months ago on one article, & seemed to consist largely of vandalism. S/he seems to have confused Washita w/ Sand Creek too. The other anon editor & this guy seem to mainly have been making good faith edits, but both suffer from lack of sourcing.

I agree that the Custer article has way more than it needs on Battle of the Little Bighorn, most of which should be in that article. Overall, I think the problem with both articles are pretty much as with the Washita article has had: editors who have more in-depth knowledge of the article's subject haven't sourced well, & probably thus have also allowed a lot of original research to creep in; & other editors with less in-depth knowledge probably have depended only on those sources that they can easily get to, like stuff that's online. What they need, to me, are at least one or two editors who are willing to study the subjects a bit -- reading books/articles, etc., preferably more than one per topic. That's pretty much what I'm doing w/ the Washita article (though I'm also getting sidetracked by looking at other stuff about the Cheyenne, though that has served to double & triple & quadruple-verify that Council of Forty-Four chiefs like Black Kettle were absolutely not warchiefs), & I need to get the actual writing done. But of course a good article takes time... & of course I have a different editing style than a lot of people -- I like knowing a subject in-depth.

How far are you willing to go on these? For just basic fixing of the articles, I would start by getting at least one good book on each topic, read them through, & compare them against what's written in the articles. Utley's bio of Custer Cavalier in Bucksin seems to be considered one of the better Custer bios (Utley overall is highly regarded as a historian); I don't know what the best single book on the Little Bighorn would be, there are so many to pick from. Then go through the articles section by section, starting with the sections that seem most problematic. I think it's also important to get other article editors to agree to basic Wikipedia standards, perhaps also declaring intent that new edits that are unsourced will be reverted. Editors who add new material that looks reasonably accurate but is unsourced might be approached to ask them to readd it with sourcing. For example, the second anon editor to me looked like s/he had some reasonable stuff, but it was (1) unsourced & (2) in the wrong article (should have been in the Little Bighorn rather than Custer article). Maybe writing to him/her talk page about it would be a good thing.

I'll be glad to help out where I can; I just can't afford to go as in-depth with it as I'm doing with Washita, because I'm already too close to biting off more than I can chew. But I do have Utley's Custer bio, which is some help, & I can also correct a couple of problems with the Washita stuff in the Custer article.

Does this help any? Ask for any help you need. --Yksin 21:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I've got both articles on my watchlist, & saw what you've been doing there by way of keeping POV crud out of those articles. Good job! --Yksin 21:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the advice! I'll see if I can pick up Utley's bio tomorrow. --Miskwito 23:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, good news and bad news. The bad news is, the local bookstore didn't have Utley's bio of Custer, though I haven't checked the local library yet. The good news, though, is that I did buy or borrow three books related to Custer/Crazy Horse/Little Bighorn. The first is Killing Custer: The Battle of Little Bighorn and the Fate of the Plains Indians (1994) by James Welch. Welch was a Blackfoot novelist from Montana, and the book is part history and part a story of Welch's own journey of learning about the Indian Wars of the Plains; it's obviously written from an Indian perspective. Another (which I've only borrowed) is The Day the World Ended at Little Bighorn (2007) by Joseph M. Marshall III. Marshall is Lakhota, and his book is also written from an Indian perspective of the events. The third book is Crazy Horse and Custer: The Parallel Lives of Two American Warriors (1975) by Stephen E. Ambrose. I guess Ambrose was a very well-respected historian, and I haven't looked at his book much, but my understanding is that it's probably a more neutral history, and indeed, it's kind of a dual-biography: a biography of Custer and a biography of Crazy Horse in one. So hopefully, with these books (and Utley's bio, if I manage to get ahold of it) I'll be able to greatly improve the Custer and Little Bighorn articles. Take care, --Miskwito 16:27, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monaseetah

Heh, no problem. Take care, --Miskwito 22:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks (re: Lesbian race)

Thanks for the prop-up with User:User765. I don't really know what, or how, to say what I intend to convey (not rhyming on purpose). Anyway, thanks. ZueJay (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I like rhyme! I hope that our two notes, together, also give her (or him, but prob. her) a sense of welcome. --Yksin 01:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moscone-Milk assassinations

After Jeffpw's latest outburst I'm wondering if I should bother even trying to do anything to help Wikipedia or if at this point the only thing people want to see me do is get stomach cancer and die. If you don't think you'll be ostracized for too close an association with me, though, I wonder if you would look at some observations I made at Talk:Moscone-Milk assassinations. I would have actually been bold and tried to fix the problems myself, but, well, you know how anything us anons do must be vile and ill-intentioned by definition. -- 192.250.34.161 20:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Completely off topic, but I'm just curious why you choose not to create an account. I went through about a half dozen of your edits and you seem articulate and well-reasoned. Of course, it's none of my business. I appreciate anonymity myself, but I like to have a consistent 'voice' on WP. Into The Fray ^T/C 22:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yo, 192. Yes, I will pay attention to that. I don't frankly care overmuch about whether the fact that I agree with you on the issue what the Twinkie defense was (i.e., a catchy media-coined phrase which caught on, but which did not accurately characterize the defense White's lawyers actually constructed for him -- though testimony about junk food was made, it was subsidiary to the overall defense) -- whether or not you edit as an anon IP is neither here nor there when it comes to facts found in reliable published sources. If someone decides to ostracize me for agreeing with an anon IP, I guess that's their privilege. [Shrug.] The content issues are different from the user conduct issues (WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA, & all that), & I've made that clear throughout too, I think. So. Anyway, I'm in the process of organizing my work & actually doing the work with several articles I've made commitments to in the last couple of months, & since my longest-standing commitment is to Battle of Washita River that's what I'm working on at the moment. Once I'm further along with that, I'll come back to this. --Yksin 02:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ESADE

Seems it's being taken care of now. :) Though I have to wonder what did that dude mean by, "This guy sure has his finger on the pulse!" This leaves me scratching my head... -WarthogDemon 05:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I probably should have requested it myself long ago. Didn't really occur to me that it would become this ridiculous. What is the point of all this anyway? Self-promotional vanity? -WarthogDemon 18:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Golly jee, convoluted is right. Yes, Wikiscanning sounds good. -WarthogDemon 19:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overwhelmity

Yeah, I understand. I got kind of overwhelmed myself, and then got myself immersed in a couple other things that are totally overwhelming me at the moment. Feel free to shoot me a line if you need help/support/advice/whatever. I couldn't even hardly comprehend what the last talk page section was supposed to be saying. And quite interesting that apparently GM is a part of the CW club. Whatever, hope you're not too stressed out! Murderbike 04:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Holy!

Oh, my! I passed! Thanks so much for your awesome support..! You're incredible..! And thanks for the beers...let me buy you one as well..! Maybe five or six... Dreadstar † 20:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course you passed! The only question now, with all this beer, is if you're also gonna pass out! --Yksin 20:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hic! <stagger>...oh my! Dreadstar † 20:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

... uh... y'still got tha' bucket... I gave ya? [hic]]... might need it... f'r arfing... y'know... [hic] --Yksin 21:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

... brupp... I still got the' bucket...[hic]]... toss yer cookies in here...dear..I'll mop up later...;).. [hic] Dreadstar † 23:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Cookies? Uh... sure.. [burp]... let me eat some first... [buuuurrrrrrrrpp]... ah... there y'go... [hic] --Yksin 00:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL! You are too funny, my dear! Dreadstar † 04:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dreadstar RfA

Thanks for your support and the congrats, I took the easy way out of thanking everyone by borrowing someone else's thank you card design...but know that I sincerely appreciate your support and confidence in me! Dreadstar † 23:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I just want to thank you for all your input at Dreadstar's RfA. It was much appreciated! As the nominator, I didn't feel it was my place to comment a whole lot, and it was great to have an outside voice as the voice of reason. Thank you! --Fang Aili ^talk 15:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bluemarine RFC

Do I just sign the appropriate section with the tildes? Aatombomb 19:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Never mind - I get it now. It's certified, BTW. Aatombomb 19:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both! Typing monkey 19:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yskin, thank you again for your guidance with the process. This is the first time I've gone into this kind of review procedure and I do appreciate your help very much.Typing monkey 21:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help. I put together a couple of mondo RfCs at the beginning of August, so I got some experience there. --Yksin 22:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

''(Repeating your comment for convenience) The evidence you just provided was of Bluemarine purportedly trying to warn about something you purportedly did wrong -- but the evidence you actually need for that section is of you or other editors cautioning him about his bad behavior, but which he ignored. --Yksin 00:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)''

Yes, that's not the best example. Due to the sheer volume of discussion and bewildering tangents, I've become a little overwhelmed trying to reduce evidence to its proper form. I've taken offense to the way he's treated other editors but as I understand it, it is not my place to include those instances - it must be done by the editor involved in the dispute. Many of the particularly hateful comments were made on user talk pages rather than the article itself, and those instances are listed. I think WP:AUTO is obvious and for violations of WP:OWN I think you could list about ninety percent of Bluemarine's edits on the talk pages. Many times he simply ignores civil suggestions and starts a new topic or starts campaigning for the inclusion of a new vanity project. The talk pages have devolved into an endless cloud of sound and fury in which absolutely nothing gets accomplished, and it has been like this for several months. I know I am not doing the process justice. I did not realize that there was such a brief time limit for doing this and I now know I should have documented all of this before making the request. I think the time limit for providing "diffs" has expired. I think all of the editors who have contributed have spelled out the situation fairly plainly, but I should have given them a better structure to work with. I should have asked for an advisor before diving into this in the first place. I don't know how it will go, but you're the bees knees for nudging me along in the right direction on protocol. Typing monkey 01:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Because I have inestimable respect for Yksin based on what I've seen through her edits and my previous interactions with her, I keep my eye on her page. That's how I came across your RfC. I just want to be clear that, the structure and evidence in the RfC notwithstanding, I think it does take great courage and a good deal of work to list one and that this one needed to be listed. I also wish to congratulate you on your fine usage of "bees knees". It makes me want to say "cool beans". :) Into The Fray ^T/C 01:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, thanks, Into The Fray. That's a nice comment to come home to. Typing monkey: I've never heard of there being a deadline for when diffs for evidence can be provided for an RfC, at least not in its early stages, where this one is. It is best to to put the whole thing together as much as possible in a sandbox or wherever (which is what I did with the two I initiated) before actually posting it to the RfC pages. But I see no reason at this early stage in the RfC that additional evidence could not be brought. If nothing else, you can write your own "Inside view" on Bluemarine that includes any additional diffs that you didn't already provide. You actually can bring as evidence diffs about ways Bluemarine has treated other people beside just you -- i.e., if he's launched personal attacks/incivility on other people beside you, you can bring diffs of that as evidence, just as in the normal day to day course of events on Wikipedia any editor can warn any other of incivility/personal attacks regardless of who that person attacked. I will tell you that when I prepared the RfCs on the two people I did 'em on -- both on the same day, both in reference to the same article (Battle of Washita River), I erred (if I erred) on the side of supercomprehensivity -- each issue I brought up had to be clearly covered by policies, but so long as it was, damn betcha I brought it up. Also, RfCs aren't like RfAs, for which you only have a week: they are part of the dispute resolution process, & they theoretically can last as long as it takes for the disputes to be resolved, or for the editors involved to decide to take it up the line to ArbCom or wherever.

My plate's pretty full right now, but if you have questions, I will try to assist. You did the right thing in bringing this RfC; have patience for yourself in keeping it going to get the resolution of the disputes. --Yksin 05:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. it may be a couple of days, but I will be writing an "outside view" for this RfC, & if necessary will do my own bit of research to add diffs of his attacks on people, including use of anon IPs to do so. I don't know yet that he was using anon IPs on purpose or was just "forgetting to log in," but there's at least one instance in which he made a personal attack on Aatombomb from an anon IP, but also wrote enough commentary in the same comment to make it clear it was him. --Yksin 05:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both for your encouraging comments. You are both the cat's meow! I've added to the evidence section, including a little about the currently suspected sockpuppet. I appreciate your time and look forward to your comments, Yskin. Typing monkey 03:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I e-mailed you a couple of weeks ago and you haven't responded. If you have too much on your plate, that's fine. If not, could you help me sort out some things? Here are my current perplexions: On September 18, I sent out a notice about the Sanchez/Bluemarine RfC to all of the editors (including Sanchez/Bluemarine) who were involved in editing the page or in the discussion within the last few months. How long should I wait before continuing the process farther along the dispute resolution chain? I was thinking of going forward with a request for arbitration after about another week or so, but I have two main concerns: 1. Bluemarine hasn’t responded. He’s received notice of this RfC (twice) on his talk page. I’m not sure if I should encourage him to respond or just leave it alone. 2. There is one admin who has been significantly involved in the discussion who has not responded at all to the Request for Comment - WJB. I’m not sure if he’s prohibited from comment because he’s an admin...it seems odd that he has not joined in the RfC given his level of involvement in the article in question. 3. I would prefer to go straight to arbitration rather than mediation given Sanchez’s attitude towards attempts to reason directly with him in the past. Is this considered skipping a step, or would it be problematic for any other reason? I look forward to your comments. Again, if you're too busy, simply say the word. Typing Monkey - ^{(type to me)} 01:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

...for cleaning up my misplaced commentary. I'll remember the format in the future (one hopes). Into The Fray ^T/C 21:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dividends

Way cool! Party on, dudette! Instead of beer in a bucket, I think this deserves:

Shaken and stirred!! Dreadstar † 00:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Adoption

Hello, Yksin, I was wondering if you'd "adopt" me. I have been editing articles for some time, but I still need guidance, as you have seen. I see you've already adopted someone but you still have the "willing to adopt" userbox up. If you have too much on your plate I understand.Typing Monkey - ^{(type to me)} 00:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure! The adoptee I had disappeared some time back, so no problem. I am at the moment rescheduling my life somewhat, but I still have lunches, most evenings, & weekends to answer questions, etc. November I will be mostly on wikibreak (I'll be doing NaNoWriMo), but I will still be checking in. --Yksin 00:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Man alive, a 50K word novel in one month? You keep doing that! My questions mostly have to do with the progression of the RfC which can simmer awhile. Have fun with the novel, it sounds like a laid-back sort of thing. Typing Monkey - ^{(type to me)} 00:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Writing is what I'm supposed to be on this planet to do -- I've got some stuff already in project, but I reckon NaNoWriMo will help clear the clogged pipes & get the momentum going again. I'll still be around Wikipedia for some time to come, but will be greatly moderating the amount of time I'm here, so as not to distract from writing.

Yes, I need to check in with that RfC. I'll do so tomorrow & open for any questions then. I still have a few questions about them myself! --Yksin 00:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, that just intimidated the bejeezus out of me. I'm over it now. My main question is: What do I do next? I am concerned that, other than sniping at a few editors on the RfC itself, Bluemarine hasn't provided a response. Also, an editor who has been very involved with the project, has not contributed an opinion (but he did put the request in proper format). Would it be intrusive to ask for your e-mail address? I have some questions about this and also other articles that I don't think are appropriate for public discussion.Typing Monkey - ^{(type to me)} 01:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to publish my email address in Wikipedia. However, if you look to the left from this talk page, below the search box, one of the links you'll see says "E-mail this user." Click on that & send a message to me that way -- I think you have to have your own preferences set with your own email address activated, to actually be able to do this. Then, once I get your email message, I'll write you back, & we'll both have each other's email addresses & can keep private discussion private. I'll be on the lookout for your email. --Yksin 01:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another request for adoption

Greetings Yksin. I just started (about 2 months ago) editing and was wondering if you would adopt me also? I have a couple of projects that I'm working on, namely Transformation of culture, Fish hydrolysate and have been contributing to the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act page. I, too, am from Alaska. Please let me know if you are willing to take on an avid editor. I plan on being at this a while, as I am now completely addicted! It's too fun! Being a person with several degrees under my belt, it is very empowering to be able to apply this knowledge in a way that contributes to the commons. It's also a good exercise at writing, as I am constantly reviewing and revising my own work as well. Thanks, Blueelectricstorm (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Twinkle

Thanks, Yksin, for letting me know about Twinkle. I'll check it out. TimidGuy 12:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twinkie defense

Hi, Yskin. Well, it's been nearly a month and no one has objected to your plan at Twinkie defense (except for Jeffpw, whose objection seems to be more an objection to my continued existence.) I would like to go through with this plan, but there are parts of it I can't do myself (setting up the sandbox with the current version of the article) and parts of it that it would be, ahem, unpopular for me to do myself (reverting back to the earlier version.) After that, my work should be fairly uncontroversial, as it will be primarily bringing the article more in line with what Benjiboi and Jeffpw think it should be, by expanding discussion of Milk's homosexuality. I realize you're busy with other articles, but if you go through with the first steps, I can proceed as discussed on the talk page. -- 192.250.34.161 21:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You've got it. Proceeding now. I am, BTW, getting set to have a fairly complete Wikivacation in November — doing NaNoWriMo — & will probably not be able to do extensive work on Twinkie defense before then, as right now my obligation to Battle of Washita River & closely related articles comes first. However, I will be checking in, including in November; & may be able to do more work once November's over. I'll have to ILL the Dan White trial book again. (BTW, it's Yksin, not Yskin.) --Yksin 02:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Oops. I think that was my fingers slipping, but I'm not sure. -- 192.250.34.161 03:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing

Wikipedia shouldn't let people edit their pages. Now everyone at my school is changing things and the teachers are refusing to let us go there. Please, if there's anything you can do about it, please do! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.95.210 (talk) 22:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

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While it is certainly possible to submit articles for a general peer review, a review by members of the LGBT community can be of additional value for LGBT specific writing. There are several articles currently up for review on a wide range of topics. At the very least, reading the articles will undoubtedly broaden your intellectual horizons :-) Deletion discussions At the moment, David Le Brocq, Malmö Devilants and Trajectory Hermeneutics are up for deletion review. Please take a look at them and make your voice heard at the deletion review. Articles nominated for deletion also present a challenge for improvement. See what you can do, and watchlist our deletion review page. FA & GA article news Since our last newsletter, Fun Home and GayFest have been promoted to Good Article status. Congratulations to all editors who have worked so hard to improve them! While the T-Z list was promoted to Featured list on September 26, 2007, we have had no articles reach Featured Article status since Homer's Phobia was promoted last March. In fact, one article of our Project was delisted: Andrew Van De Kamp. Please take a look at out listed articles and see if you'd like to try to take one to Featured status (there are almost 8,000 to choose from). Additionally, Conversion therapy has been nominated for Featured status. Please read the article and give feedback at the Feartured Article Candidates page. (See also our FA-class list.) Pederasty article controversy The Pederasty articles continue to be a point of controversy both within and outside of our community. Various editors have suggested that to include them as LGBT Project related somehow taints the project and brings Wikipedia into disrepute. Other editors have stated that the articles, and especially the Pederasty article, are part of the core of LGBT studies. Well meaning editors continue to remove our tags from the articles themselves as well as the talk pages. If you have time, please read the articles and watchlist them to protect them from vandalism and well meaning but counterproductive edits. List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people The list of LGBT people has survived its 4th nomination for deletion. Please watchlist this list to protect it from vandalism and unsourced additions. There are many in Wikipedia who would like to see this Featured status list removed from the project. It is up to us to keep it to such a high caliber that it never is removed. David Shankbone Our project member David Shankbone is now working as a journalist for Wikinews, as well as continuing to improve our project and Wikipedia as a whole with his photographs. A sincere thank you goes out to him for all of his hard work. Wikipedia would not shine nearly as brightly without your contributions, David. Barbara Gittings Happy Halloween, everybody! Be happy and celebrate! The surviving life partner of prominent LGBT rights activist Barbara Gittings recently called one of our editors and, among other things, complimented us on what a great job our project is doing on Wikipedia. Thanks to everyone who contributes to this project, either through their article edits or support for other project members. We really are making an difference here! Member assistance Some of our project members have been having difficulties related to editing on the encyclopedia. If you are feeling frustrated or distressed by your editing experience, please don't keep it to yourself. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and we are all here to help one another. Drop a line on our talkpage or on another editor's page, and other members of the LGBT project will happily give you the support you want and need. Lastly, Halloween is just around the corner. More than most holidays, Halloween is a holiday embraced by and tailor made to our community (though God only knows why we are invisible in the Halloween article here. Perhaps somebody would like to rectify that editing oversight). Have fun, everybody, and remember to both trick and treat! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Apology

Hello Yksin, it's Ikiroid. I am truly sorry that I went AWOL during the mediation of Twinkie Defense. It looks like I'm not going to be on wikipedia much (at all) for an unknown amount of time (a few months at least) so I wanted to drop you a note now. You can drop me a note talkpagewise or email me, but I wish you all the best. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!! [edit] Alice and her harasser Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>. [edit] Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project. [edit] Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand? [edit] Beat writer arouses Irish guy And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all. [edit] Love those Texas Longhorns Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....). [edit] Point and Counterpoint Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now. [edit] Drudgery on offer Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" redux The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational. [edit] This month's Wiki stars Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!! [edit] And the Oscar goes to... Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy. [edit] Leather and lace On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome! [edit] Late breaking news A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!). [edit] Champagne dreams and caviar kisses Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon. Kisses, Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus, right down Santa Claus lane! Ho, ho ho (but not that kind of ho!) and Merry Christmas, everybody! Yes, that's right. It's time for the Christmas edition of the LGBT Love Boat newsletter. This homo Love Boat is cruising into Christmas and counting down the days to a brand new year! It doesn't matter if you're Christian or belong to some other, more obscure sect. Jesus loves you one and all, so let's curl up around the fire, sing some carols, drink some egg nog, and have a gay old time. But before we do, perhaps your chipper cruise director Miss Julie should spread the gender bendin' news from everyone's favorite project.... Table of Contents Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! It's Britney, Bitch! Game show for nerds Jón Þór Birgisson Everybody loves a sequel Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Santa needs elves Urgent Christmas appeal Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Ambrosia Christmas came early You! Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken! It's Britney, Bitch! Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Game show for nerds Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do. Jón Þór Birgisson I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me". TranSanta Everybody loves a sequel Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win?? Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!" Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts. Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!). Santa's on his gay way! Santa needs elves Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future. Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line. Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East. Ambrosia Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia! Christmas came early Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct! You! Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa! Delirious Dong Zhi! Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life! May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008. With love from Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 21:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Inactive

Just thought I'd drop you a note to say hello, it's been a while! Hope you're doing well! Dreadstar † 21:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who do you think you are?

"Vandalism" on the Alaska page? As a lifetime resident I think I'd know more about what goes on there than you do. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.101.193 (talk) 18:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Citation Barnstar
		For adding citations to and expanding The 13th Regional Corporation millions of years ago in early 2007, Yksin is awarded The Citation Barnstar. J.delanoygabsadds 22:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your contributions!

I just want to say thank you for your contributions to the Alaska Native Corporations page. It is really coming along nicely. I don't know if it was you that added the text to the act, but I would like to see even more of that. I have access to Westlaw for the summer and would be happy to bring that section to fruition with more of the pertinent sections of the act.

I'll be in Alaska this summer. Also, take a look at the cute picture of my hometown, Naknek, Alaska.

Blueelectricstorm (talk) 03:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)