Talk:Yisroel Ber Odesser

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Re: birthdate. Some sources say he was born in 1905, others in 1888. I'm going with 1888 because it is cited on a major biographical Reb Odesser page at http://www.moharan.com/pages_angl/page_rabbi_israel_angl.htm, written by some of his disciples, who should know. Whether or not there was a birth certificate, I don't know -- in those days babies were often born at home and traditional Jews did not always celebrate birthdays. User:rooster613

• I'm reverting back to 1905 as the birth date because, in his own words in an autobigraphical story in The Letter from Heaven, he said he was 17 in 1922. Perhaps his disciples want to make him older than he was (not an unknown phenomenon among followers of saints). Or maybe it is based on a typo somewhere. If anybody else can clear this up, please do!

"Anonymous" user:64.61.211.212 is really me, Rooster613. I logged out for lunch, came back to create this page -- and forgot to log back in. user:Rooster613

[edit] Languages

Re only speaking French and Yiddish. I have a WAV file of Reb Odesser speaking Hebrew, so this may be incorrect. His Hebrew may have been bad, but as a Talmudic scholar his Hebrew would have at last been decent. Moreover, I am pretty sure that he wrote Ibey Hanachal (his letters to Zalman Shazar) in Hebrew! If anyone has any thoughts on this, let me know. I might change the reference to him only speaking Yiddish and French though...

Sorry, I made a mistake here, and I'll fix it. Someone who knew him and who told me this information clarified that Odesser only spoke Hebrew and Yiddish, while the boys he spoke to only spoke English and French. Yoninah 09:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, the person who 'found' Reb Odesser was a Mizrahi Israeli (Moroccan, if I remember correctly), who spoke Hebrew (as did Reb Odesser). He may have also spoken French, which is why he has a large following in France and travelled there).