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[edit] NYC meetup change of schedule

It's been agreed that we should have a 2-hour formal meeting period to start organizing meta:Wikimedia New York City, and this will be held at the Pacific Library (note this is different from the Brooklyn Central Library, which was discussed earlier) from 2:00 PM – 4:00 PM.

This shouldn't affect you directly since you can't come till later anyway, but if you have any topics or proposals (or any updates on CYCO), I'll be glad to present them at the formal meeting on your behalf. And of course there will still be more informal discussions later in the evening at the museum. Next time I promise we'll find a time and place for a formal meeting that is accessible to everyone.--Pharos 21:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the note, regarding CYCO they don't seem to have a problem with giving it out for the free and open medium, the volunteers will have to come from the colleges and universities where Yiddish is teach, since they have the tools of scanning and converting it into text.--יודל 15:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
So, I presume you talked with them, then. Did you get a chance to look at their books? Thanks.--Pharos 18:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Cover mishpatei k.jpg

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Thanks i will now make better use of the templates.--יודל 15:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with the templates, per se. You are in violation of WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#Unacceptable images. Fair-use only applies to the image itself. You may only claim fair-use about the book cover if you are discussing the book. You may not claim fair-use of the book cover to discuss the organization that publishes the book. -- Avi 21:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
the organization is defined by printing this book--יודל 12:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be misunderstanding Wikipedia's fair-use policy. Please review it, and note the portions that I specifically highlighted above. It is incorrect to say that the "organization is defined by its books." If the article specifically discusses a particular book, then you may have a fair-use case. Otherwise, there is no valid fair use here. Sorry. -- Avi 14:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
u don't have to be sorry just don't be a the fair use prosecutor and everything will be alright. this image is clearly within fair use, since the article is all about the image and we cannot understand fully the subject without it, this org is specifically and exclusively about this book.--יודל 15:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Part of my responsibilities as a sysop is to protect wikipedia against claims of copyright violation, which this seems to be. The article is perfectly understandable without the image; whether the article's subject is notable enough for wikipedia is an andere shayla L'Gamri. Part of what you, and every editor, agrees to when editing wikipedia is to abide by its rules, which you currently seem not to be doing. It is no longer a question of chisaron Yediya (lack of knowledge) as I have supplied you with both the references and the explanations. -- Avi 16:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
u r totally mixed up with the meaning of a sysop, u have no other obligation and job more than the ordinary user, other than safe guarding vandalism and other policys, yes u have used the tools as u wished against others but doing it does not make it right. u r wrong and please stop arguing that u know better becaouse that does not give any leverage to the argument, this article is written by me and i tell u that it is about the image, and in such a case an image is needed and allowed within the fair use ratinale.--יודל 16:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Once again you demonstrate a severe lack of knowledge and understanding of wikipedia policies and guidelines. You have misread, misunderstood, or ignored WP:FAIR, WP:HOAX, WP:NPA, WP:CANVASS, and now Wikipedia:Administrators. Continued refusal to conform to wikipedia policies and guidelines, be it through negligence and apathy, or intentional maliciousness, will be met with steps taken to protect the integrity of the wikipedia project. Thank you. -- Avi 18:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Amah.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks i will now make better use of the templates.--יודל 15:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
See above. -- Avi 21:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
ok but the whole idea of the man is his accomplishment in the book.--יודל 12:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
See above. Wikipedia's rules are very strict in this area, I am afraid. -- Avi 14:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
i am sorry u r so afraid but this is indeed within the fair use rationale so there is no need to be scared.--יודל 15:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I am not certain you are correct. -- Avi 16:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Than let others who are certain deal with it. thanks--יודל 16:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I was being polite; this is a violation. -- Avi 18:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Unfortunately "fair use" is a legal term defined by courts, and by lawyers who may sometimes interpret narrowly out of fear of courts. The Wikimedia Foundation's lawyers have provided for a narrower definition than many users have wanted. Sometimes, what people think the "fair use" law requires may have little to do with what you or I may think is fair. It may even seem unfair. This may be one of those times. Best, --Shirahadasha 02:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thanks--יודל 11:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should have kept

I hope you archived or kept the discussion with our friend somewhere. If he edits any Israel articles in a COI way, there is much evidence there that can demonstrate a determined and unrepentant COI that he admits to puting above the rules of wikipedia. Basejumper2 16:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I put in the archives and i will label it by dates so it would be easy to find. thanks--יודל 16:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure guys, as if the two of you are "saints", and I'll be keeping an eye out if I come across any funny edits from either of your ends, count on hearing from me. "Love" is a two-way street. But I cannot waste all this time here when there is so much editing to be done. Try it, instead of trying to lay "traps" and other such childish "tricks". IZAK 03:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks--יודל 13:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello badge

Hi. I made a Wiki Hello badge in case anyone's interested in using it for the Meetup. It's on the Meetup page. Nightscream 16:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CYCO Encyclopedia

So, I presume you talked with them, then. Did you get a chance to look at their books? Thanks. (apologies for posting this twice, it seems you missed my message in the section above)--Pharos 17:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

yes i looked at it, it is phenomenal work, but they have not decided yet to give it away, once we have a project of volunteers and the tools we should be able to have it.--יודל 17:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] regarding avi's speedy deletion

I would like to document how avi uses his tools which i don't have, he has erased an article speedely. see discussion below--יודל 22:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks and incivility

Unsubstantiated personal attacks and incivil comments, such as you made here are forbidden in wikipedia. Please desist; otherwise, measures will be taken to protect the project. Thank you. -- Avi 21:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I answered there why it is not a personal attack, please do not bring this discussion to many different places i will answer u further there thanks--יודל 22:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Once again Avi threatens of using tools against me

Please note that i made this headline above since this user lives me negative headlines on my talk page so others who don't read the essence of the note should think i am negative, i was the one who made avis headline a sub header. thanks--יודל 18:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Once again...

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shwartzman Etrogs. Once again, I would like to ask you to review wikipedia's policy on notability. Your analogy is flawed; both Pepsi and Coke are notable companies in-and-of-themselves. (Zich Alayn). Shwartzman's is not. There have been a large number of times where your comments in AfD's and other places indicate that you still lack a fundamental understanding of English Wikipedia policy. You have had plenty of opportunities to educate yourself. Please be aware that further disregard for the policies and guidelines of wikipedia, and basic respect for those policies, as well as your fellow editors, may require further actions to protect the project. Thank you. -- Avi 16:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Schwartzman is a brand name more popular in its field than Pepsi or coke.--יודל 17:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Courtesy notice

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Yidisheryid -- Avi 21:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I have nothing to add, last time u have done this i was blocked for attacking u back, i am smarter to day and i wont answer hopefully the community can read through your words. thanks--יודל 12:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slight edit to your userpage

[1] I don't think I broke anything with that edit, but it was causing a strange little blip on the screen. Just letting you know; I'm generally hesitant to mess with people's userpages for anything other than fixing a broken userbox. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Jewish0utreachBookCover.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Jews Against Zionism book.jpg

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[edit] Your sig

Please consider making your signature readable in English. Please keep in mind that signatures are used to easily identify each other in discussions. Since this is an international encyclopedia, other alphabets present difficulties for majority. `'Míkka>t 04:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

As much as i love and respect your opinion, i don't see that the community is bothered by it. But Thanks so much for your input, if its annoying i do not wish to continue with it. כל טוב--יודל (talk) 11:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yiddish stub

Hi Yidisheryid: As one of Wikipedia's Yiddish experts you may be interested that I recently created a {{Yiddish-stub}} but it has now been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/December/20. What do you think? Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 00:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, it is indeed a great idea.--יודל (talk) 11:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pronunciation

Dear יודל, how does one pronuciate the name of the צאנז hasidic dynasty - with an "s" or with a "ts" ? Thank you, FigPicker (talk) 00:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

don't know, i would write ts because if i am not mistaken most of the time צ is translated with ts. --יודל (talk) 10:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks. FigPicker (talk) 20:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jeff Ballabon

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Jeff Ballabon

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Redfarmer (talk) 17:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The article is based on the Haaretz article hopefully i will have time i will try to change the text it should not appear as copy right breach--יודל (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Jeff Ballabon

An editor has nominated Jeff Ballabon, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

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[edit] AfD

You are completely mistaken regarding the closing of AfD's. I withdrew it. You may renominate if you wish. -- Avi (talk) 13:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I answer u on your talk page the mistake isn't mine--יודל (talk) 13:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I will say it again; it does not matter. Your option is to re-nominate the article if you wish, but reverting administrator actions is considered disruptive editing and continued violations may result in measures being taken to protect the project. Your option is to re-nominate the article, if you wish. -- Avi (talk) 13:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
U r not administartor here since u r involved in this u have the same power as me re this--יודל (talk) 13:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Once again, you are mistaken. Regardless, your option now is to renominate. Merely reversing the edits will not re-load the article to AfD. This is another example of how you seem to choose to ignore Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- Avi (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
This is one example how u revert me 2 times and i will not revert u again not to play into your low blows. have the last word here and be happy--יודל (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, if you would like the article deleted, renominate it for deletion. Overturning administrator actions is 1) a violation of WP:DISRUPT and 2) may not have the article properly listed on the appropriate pages. Further, personal attacks such as "low blow" are completely inappropriate. I have asked you tens of times over the past months to review and understand wikipedia policy before making edits; you seem to completely ignore them. Continued behavior as such may result in preventative measures being taken. -- Avi (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

If u think that u can use your administrator tools like this in the long term u will be surprised that u r mistaken. bottom line is, yes u have initially nominated it for deletion, but since i have seconded the nomination, it is no more yours than mine, and u have no right to close it afterwards which u did, while taunting your sysop status as if this gives u the right above me to revert me, but there is no need now to implicate myself here in acting like u by reverting it since i strongly hope the community has eyes--יודל (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
And again you demonstrate what is beinning to look like a willful disregard for understanding wikipedia policy. You did not nominate the article for deletion, you expressed an opinion. There is only one nominator for any AfD. Please stop your personal attacks, misrepresentation of wikipedia policy, and disruptive editing. -- Avi (talk) 13:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Disagree we had already this issue before and it was clearly stated by consensus that 2 peaple can indeed nominate an article for deletion. i have done so and i did not retract it, there was even a third nominator but since he was for a speedy delete i disagreed it with it.--יודל (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
You are misunderstanding deletion process. Only one person nominates an article for deletion. Everyone else casts a vote, not a nomination. Seraphim Whipp 14:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok i disagree and so do others i will now except that 2 people have expressed their opinion on this, i will wait for the community to change this into policy. thanks for both of u for your valued time and energy to come to this point that 2 people cannot nominate an AFD and if the first one decides to retract it he can still do it even though many have also nominated it. have a good day--יודל (talk) 14:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

What I still find incredulous is your persistence in harrassment for harassment's sake. If you were solely interested in how to handle the the Jeff Ballabon article, I already suggested to you much earlier that all you have to do is relist it. That is the proper procedure. However, you do not relist it, but firstly attempt to re-open a closed debate and then make unfounded allegations of improper behavior. Is there any other explanation for your behavior other than a willfuld disregard of wikipedia's policies regarding deletions, user behavior, and civility? Please educate me. -- Avi (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I will not educate u and u stop educating me--יודל (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] « שמועס »

Dear friend please come to ‎« שמועס »‎ to see if we can use this channel as a place for Yiddish chats. This form should work at ‎װיקיװערטערבוך‎ when you are using Firefox, Konqueror or Opera. Unfortunatelly if does not work yet in Internet Explorer.‎
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[edit] Your signature

Hi, I have noticed that you use a signature with non-latin characters, and there is nothing in the rules that says this is not allowed. However, non-Latin scripts (such as Arabic, Armenian, Chinese, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Indic scripts, Japanese, Korean, Thai and others) are illegible to most other contributors of the English Wikipedia. As a courtesy to the rest of the contributors, I'd like to ask if could sign your posts (at least in part) with Latin characters to avoid confusion. If you'd like more information on this WP:SIG#NL and Wikipedia:Username#Non-Latin may be of interest to you. Thanks--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 13:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I am now aware that this is a major anoyence to readers i feel bad that i made the community go through this unruly stand-outish behavior of mine i am wrong and i changed it thanks for commenting on this so nicely, love and peace yours truly--YY (talk) 13:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re Anonymity

Dear Yidisheryid

Thanks for your note. My point about anonymous contributions is that, in terms of justice, people have the right to know who is making accusations against them. Otherwise we are back to the Star Chamber, Spanish Inquisition etc model of anonymous denunciation. Anonymity is only a good thing if it protects free voices or whistle-blowers from oppression, which is clearly not the case here.

Yours

Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed O'Loughlin (talk • contribs) 08:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Avis constant relentless attacks attacks on this talk page=

i have lost count how many times Avi has put warnings (while i disagreed with him on other issues, he claims this is no conflict of interest) on my my talk page that i must be blocked, beware he opened over 3 ANI cases against me already that i remember. here he goes again: read the next header and notice--YY (talk) 21:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks and incivility

I would like to remind you about our policies against personal attacks and incivility. There is no excuse for using invective or derogatory statements such as chutzpah or "stooping to your level" in wikipedia. That is even more so when the actions involved were bringing an article in line with the accepted Manual of Style. You were cordially invited to comment, and instead decided to resort to ad hominem attacks. That does not foster the atmosphere necessary for solving these issues. I have given you valid policy- and guideline-based reasons for my edits, and your responses attacking me personally are neither in the spirit of cordial discourse nor allowed under those same policies and guidelines. Please review them, and keep them in mind in the future. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 21:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Chutspe is a name of conduct: when i try to solicit outrage from the community on conduct that is against policy i call it by its name, if its name is a personal attack i am willing to delete it, meanwhile u have attacked me that i am guilty of many sins which i disagree and i haven't yet accused u of any sin personally so the comment here is of a much more bigger pattern of behavior, and no i reassure u i will not stoop to your level to post this hateful warnings as if u have broken some policies, on your talk page. but i beg u not to besmirch my talk page--YY (talk) 21:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Rev"s

Good question. We've got Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific prefixes, which isn't really crystal clear itself. Basically, I guess it comes down to what the name the individual is best known by is. Billy Graham is best known by that name, so he doesn't have the "Rev." In most cases, I think that most individuals are best known without the "Rev.", particularly in those Christian churches which use "Father" or "Pastor" instead.

I would guess in only those cases where the individual is so regularly referred to as a "Rev." that it would be unusual to not refer to him as such would it be used. No specific examples come to mind though. For cases in which it's a secondary subject with the same name, maybe John Adams (clergy) or similar would work best. That's referring only to the title of the article, though. Clearly, the first words of the article itself can always include "Reverend" if that's desirable. Any particular instances you're thinking of? John Carter (talk) 00:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks John for your kind response with some insight in this issue, i was taking interest since there was a user named malick shabbaz who claimed to have some authority in declaring that a professional encyclopedic subject about rev's should never have the word reverend in the lede of the article, therefore also the rabbis should be deleted from its lede, by rabbis i know that the Yiddish and Hebrew project do indeed write the word rabbi in the lead, so i was trying to see if by the revs there is any formulated style, as i see this has no clear cut answer. thanks very much for trying to shed some light here. good day--YY (talk) 12:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)