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no references then no B. Nice article but must be sourced. Victuallers (talk) 22:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 Grammar fix 2 What types 3 Yeshivas for women 4 List of prominent yeshivot 5 Where are all the non-Orthodox yeshivot? 6 Article misleading 7 Lack of bible study

[edit] Grammar fix

I fixed the grammar and also deleted two "editorializing" words -- demanding, and most intense. These are very subjective terms; I am sure that many (a majoritay? all? I do not know, you would have to do a survey) find yeshivot demanding. But this is a subjective claim that really is not very imformative. A lot of people find any kind of school demanding. Demanding by what criteria? In what way? This could be a valid article, but it needs to be developed. My advice for development: avoid subjective adjectives like "demanding" and "intense" and instead provide more information that describes what goes on.

It would be useful, too, to learn more about different kinds of yeshivot. Are there any umbrella organizations? How are they acredited? Does the state recognize them? Are non-talmudic subejcts taught? Are teachers liscensed? How? Also, what is the history of Yeshivot? Are Yeshivot in Ohio today much like yeshivot in Latvia three hundred years ago? Or have their been changes in their form and functioning? Slrubenstein

[edit] What types

Ezra, you help by clarifying that this is based on the Lithunian model. But can you add more information? I (and I bet others) would like to know when this model developed, and under what conditions (namely, what Jewish and secular education was available before this model; after the model was developed were their any alternatives? How were yeshivot financed? Has the financing changed ovr time, or as Yeshivot moved from Europe to Israel, the US, and elsewhere? Is the growth in Yeshivot in the US a primarily post Holocaust pehnomena? Were there US Yeshivot (Lithuanian model) in the US before WWII? Is there any centralized organization of Yeshivot, or is administration decentralized? In the US how do Yeshiva students get a secular education -- I mean, doesn't the state require children to learn English, math, science? Slrubenstein

This is okay... but we need more about Yeshiva's in general... not just about ones on the Lithuanian model -- Mon.

of course you are quite right. Can the article begin my listing the major models? Slrubenstein

The fact that the Mesilas Yesharim was lauded by the Vilna Gaon is not irrelevant. It is the reason why it is considered the preeminent Mussar sefer in Lithuanian Yeshivos.

Calling the Yeshiva ancient implies that it is outdated. That is simply an anti-Orthodox opinion. Are Lithuanian yeshivos the most active? It is debatable.

[edit] Yeshivas for women

Are women allowed to study at these schools, or was it all made up for the movie Yentl?

• Hi, firstly why didn't you sign your user name to your comments so that we can know who you are? Secondly, using "yentl" as a "reference point" is not good scholarship. Thirdly, traditionally and historically in Jewish history, only men and boys attended yeshiva, women were not obligated to study Torah formally. Fourthly, within present Haredi Judaism only males study in the yeshivas and females attend Bais Yaakov (Beth Jacob) schools. Finally, within present-day Modern Orthodox Judaism, some schools, sometimes also called "yeshivas", both male and female students study the same curriculum. IZAK 23:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
• I'm not really a frequent Wikipedia user and was simply curious, so I wanted to know about this and I simply asked, but maybe I should've done it in a better way.

Concerning "Yentl", I think it's quite obvious that I'm ignorant about this matter and that's why I mentioned Yentl, because that is my only reference point and I never claimed that it's a good reference point or anything. I could've bought the whole thing, but I'm aware of the fact that Yentl isn't a good reference point (it's like using "not without my daughter" as a reference for islam) and that's why I asked - to find out.

Jewish women do not attend a yeshiva, but many attend a seminary with educational goals tailored to the traditional view of the roles of women. Some Modern Orthodox seminaries teach texts normally restricted to men. JFW | T@lk 11:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of prominent yeshivot

This list is rapidly degenerating into a general list of yeshivot. It should be moved to its own page. JFW | T@lk 01:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Let's move the entire list to a separate page, without leaving any names of yeshivas on this page, as there will always be dispute as to which yeshivas are "prominent". Ayinyud 07:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where are all the non-Orthodox yeshivot?

There are a number of prominent yeshivas that are not orthodox. Where is the Union for Tradition Judaism's Metivta, or the Conservative movement's JTS, or the Conservative Yeshiva in Jerusalem? This article only presents the point of view of an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, and no one else. The Academy for (of?) Jewish Religion in Manhattan certainly fits the article's definition of a yeshiva as well (they claim to be "non-denominational", but that seems to be a cop-out for being Conservative without having to use a label. They do have some Orthodox rabbinical teachers, however, and even a few Reform. Mark3 ("3", because mark 1 and 2 are taken)

[edit] Article misleading

Yeshiva translates to acedemy. ..... gtg

[edit] Lack of bible study

Im not so sure about this entire paragraph. I have visited many modern orthdox yeshivot and found a great emphsis on bible studies, with at least 2 bible shiurim a week and recomended half hour/hour seder (study session) time on bible too. Not to mention parasha shiurim (weekly portion of the bible lessons) on fridays and recomended shnayim bmikra (reading the weekly portion) for students! 62.90.235.99 (talk) 13:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)