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	On 01 December 2007, this talk page was linked from 2channel, a high-traffic website. All prior and subsequent edits to the article are noted in its revision history.

HSL, I don't wanna spend time for u, but I'm gonna give u some info.

http://bbs.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=phistory&nid=63282

s:zh:大淸皇帝功德碑: Chinese text at Wikisource

I strongly recommend that you should learn history by yourself at first.Amanatsu 17:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I restored above comment and his/her signature, because it was removed by 220.146.187.249 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) at 13:57, 3 November 2006 UTC. The just reason of this edit is here.[1] --Nightshadow28 12:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 "tributary state"? A big mistake. 2 Change log 3 Totally Fiction Edit 4 This article is on 2channel's watchlist 5 POV tag

[edit] "tributary state"? A big mistake.

"tributary state"? It was more like a client state. Korean king knelt for Chinese messanger 9 times to the ground, which was called Kowtow(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowtow) back then. This clearly shows korean's client state. It is described on "Samjeondo Monument"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samjeondo_Monument) in Seoul.

"a symbol of respectful diplomatic policy"? No, it is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.146.187.249 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

acutually, korean king never 9 times to the ground to chinese messenger in history. you may confused with Second Manchu invasion of Korea. only one time knelt ground to Qing's emperor. this is very famous japanese fabrication. your IP is japanese, too. also, japanese can not prove by public trusted source. this is one of the typical japanese fabrication. that's all. after Second Manchu invasion of Korea, manchu and korea battle was over. and manchu conquere to mainland china. chinese slaughtered and raped by manchu race. and destroyed thieir goverment by Qing and must obey manhu style culuture(like manchu hair style) but korea was not. they keep their culuture and goverment.

also, manchu and korean are family race. Qing's former founder was korean. this proved by history of jin (金史). Jin is former dynasty of Qing. 金之始祖諱函普，初從高麗來，年已六十余矣[2]) (Jin's founder was korean, he leaved korea at age 60.)Replayamong23 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Replayamong23 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I restored a link above comment, because it was modified to [3] by Referloose (talk · contribs) at 03:48, 4 October 2007. The just reason of this edit is here.[4] --Nightshadow28 13:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Korea had been a vassal state of China for hundreds years as everyone knows. If korea was a independent country, why Koreans built the gate named INDEPENDECE Gate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.214.86.199 (talk) 10:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

IP 85.214.86.199 is proxy IP in german. and no one can prove this fabrication. Cause5stage (talk) 07:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change log

I found the description of Yeongeunmun Gate in the "Independence Gate" article which is more accurate. So I used the words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Gate "... Treaty of Shimonoseki. After that, Korea demolished the Yeongeunmun Gate, which had been the symbol of prevailing submissive diplomatic policy towards China, and built the Independence Gate." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.146.187.249 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

ae you retarded? Dongnipmun Gate (Independence Gate) was constructed in 1898 through the initiative of Dr. So Jae-pil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dutyterms (talk • contribs) 13:53:27, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Totally Fiction Edit

I find This edit[5] by Nightshadow28. It's Totally Fiction. also I can't find this souce anywhere. 774townsclear

[edit] This article is on 2channel's watchlist

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P.S This article, Yeongeunmun Gate was "sincerely' discussed on Japanese 2channel, so if you want to know what they talked, visit the this link. I translated some. --Appletrees (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POV tag

Appletrees, can't you present arguments logically? You placed the POV tag. It is not meant to express, "I don't like this article," but to mark a NPOV dispute. You have to explain your reasons on the talk page. But you haven't.

What you have to do is to clearly and exactly explain which part of the article does not seem to have a NPOV and why. As always, the stuff you put on this talk page is simply irrelevant to the supposed content dispute of the current revision. --Nanshu (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Vice versa, your removing the tag and the above comment seem to like "I don't like the tage being stuck to the article to which I dedicated."

Nanshu, why are you so emotional? It is not a logical way for us who has different standpoint to cooperate. I tell you the reason. First, the page is totally written from Japanese point of view, you who tend to make wonderful edits to Korean related articles such as Hoe (dish). There is no analysis from Korean or Chinese scholars. You try to emphasize that Joseon dynasty was not an independent nation which also has been pushed by Japanese editors here. Thus, It lacks of neutral point of view and needs more expansion by other than you. Once the article is contested by someone, you can't remove the tag whether you don't like it or not. Plus, don't resort to personal attacks. My notice on 2channel here is quite appropriate because the disruptions by your frineds are ongoing and you proved that your saying "I'm not related to the board" proved wrong. So your "as always" is a false accusation on me. If you wish to discuss on this article with me, please be civil as possible.--Appletrees (talk) 14:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)