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[edit] Regarding Falun Gong

Greetings! Yenchin. I am glad to see your posts on the board of Falun Gong. I wish to communicate more with you if possible. Do you speak Chinese? Recently I read an article written by a Taiwanese practitioner about her experience and I am moved by the story. [1] Maybe you are also interested to take a look? At least you may learn about why some people practice Falun Gong? Everybody may have different reasons. By the way, this website is basically for experience sharing and information communication. Personally I don't recommend you to read them all. But sometimes I think there are good articles. The best way to learn about Falun Gong may be to read the books yourself. [2] Feel free to talk with me or email to me (email available on my page, click E-mail this user). Thanks! Fnhddzs 02:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Hi, by the way, please don't take my last reply on the Falun Gong talk board personally. No offense! Fnhddzs 02:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm practicing Qigong and martial arts myself. I have the benifits while retaining a reasonable mind. Actions speak louder than words. It was the FLG followers' behavior in discussion boards that caught my interest in the topic. IMHO If you want to persuade more people. You've got to do better what I see in Epochtimes and other media.--Yenchin 06:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing out. I think I should not try to persuade people. I may not be aware that I had that hidden intention. Sorry. Thanks for telling me. I actually don't know much about Qigong. I had friends practicing Qiqong years ago. But I am not a sensitive person and hardly had any feeling as they did. I was attracted by the teachings of Falun Gong since I had a hobby researching on philosophy and it seemed to me Falun Gong explained some of my questions well. Also my stomachache was gone after practicing Falun Gong. I almost had a car accident but my car and I were both safe ... and other experience. Still I have had various confusions on the teachings. But later and later gradually they have been solved through reading articles and experiencing changes in person. Given that you practice Qiqong and martial arts, I think you may have better position than me to learn about Falun Gong if you took a look. But there is no rush.

No, what I meant by persuading people is that FLG, despite its effort to report on the persecution in China, is repeatingly doing it in a very, very lousy manner. Logic fallacies, subjective reports. Besides the part on persecution reports, there are also various "replies" to criticisms on Li's teachings which show that some followers are beyond reason and just following their blind faith. And from the usenet boards it seems that these followers aren't just a few members. Bringing up the question on besides the benifits of FLG, what else has it brought to followers.--Yenchin 04:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

In my view, The Epoch Times is not a newspaper for Falun Gong teachings or practice. It is oriented to the whole society. It covers more ideologies than Falun Gong's and all kinds of news. I think it tries to include Falun Gong-related events and opinions. Besides that it is just a newspaper. I actually don't read the Epoch Times much. I know people say it is Falun Gong-affiliated. And I know some practitioners volunteer to distribute the newspaper. But definitely it is not for teaching Falun Gong. Some news of Epoch Times on tortures seemed unbelievable. But they may just be tips of ice berg. I think Falun Gong does not need persecution to gain sympathy or attract more disciples. But now that it happens, it has to be exposed and stopped. Thanks for reading my long post. Talk later. Fnhddzs 17:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It is not hard to see that by using Epoch Times, FLG can gain sympathy from people who don't intend to learn FLG itself. Not to mention the strong hatred expressed in the text which is consistent to FLG followers. I have been reading and involved with discussions on FLG many times. A common formula brought up by followers is the appeal to pity. The can freely label people who criticize FLG as lapdogs of the Chinese Government. I seldom see people besides FLG followers echoing the 9 Commentaries. Like it or not, Epoch Times has become the other mouthpiece of FLG. Even the chairman is also the spokesperson of FLG. --Yenchin 04:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree the Epoch Times is one of few Chinese medias Falun Gong could voice. So I think it is ok to me that people call it a mouthpiece. I just mean I don't agree everything the Epoch Times said. I think it pays high toll to seek sympathy using the persecution. I wish it did not happen. Anyway, the persecution is useless to Falun Gong in my view. I think Falun Gong do not expect people to agree with Falun Gong teachings when they agree on stopping the persecution. I am very sorry about the hatred expressed if you felt so. I think that was not the original intention. Practitioners sometimes do not do well. We are just humans on the way of cultivation practice. Still a lot of shortcomings. I understand your dislike. Sometimes our wording may need be softening and more respect to others.

Regarding the 9 commentaries, I have to present a different view with you. Since you are not from mainland China. It is ok that you don't think it described something credible. But what I observed from bbs is that some people said it is well-written. But they don't believe they were written by Falun Gong practitioners since they think practitioners don't have that literacy:). Frankly, I don't know who wrote the 9-commentaries, whether they are Falun Gong practitioners or not.

I also heard that there is a faked version of 9 commentaries once spread in Taiwan. That one was full of dirty words. That one I guess was written by some special CCP agents.

Before I read the 9 commentaries, I was afraid it was cursing the CCP. By nature, I don't want to see fighting. Later on I watched the video version [3], I found its wording sounds ok. The tone was quite calm.

I hardly read the text. Each time I came across the story of Zhang, Zhixin. It is just scary. But nobody in mainland China would disagree with what was written in that story. To many people, the cultural revolution was just a terrible dream. I was too young to catch it. However, it showed to me in a worse version through the persecution of Falun Gong.

Frankly, in China, there were many many people practicing Falun Gong before the persecution. Some people who insist on the Falun Gong got persecuted. Still some people insisting on it survived or were not persecuted at all. And some people were forced to stop the practice due to the fear of the persecution. Although I am not in China after the persecution started, I feel strongly the persecution and discrimination. Passports cannot be renewed. cannot join projects involving China, cannot go back safely and so on.

You may be interested in reading a Chinese novel 靜水流深 written by a Peaking University graduate [4] based on her personal experience. She once had to give up to get released. Well, nobody is perfect. I fully understand her.

I think the persecution is useless. But I think the fact that under the high-pressure suppression, many Falun Gong practioners would not give up would send people an important message. That is, Falun Gong is good and worth to persist.

Thanks for reading my long post. Have a nice day! Fnhddzs 05:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately the persecution does have negative effects on FLG. Li Hong Zhi has stated that with Zheng Nian beatings and poisonings would be relected to the persecutors. People are dying from torture yet there are testimonies about followers with near death illness getting healed. There are obviously interpretations from FLG for this but in plain sight we still see people getting harmed severely in the articles about torture.

I'm not aware of the fake version of the Nine Commentaries mainly because the ones I see are usually posted by the same person. I know that some people from China are spreading a "Nine Commentaries of Minghui Net" claimed to be from Epoch Times. Probably an attempt to cause strife between them.--Yenchin 19:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is a good question. People say why such things could happen to practitioners with the Master's protection? I think the reason could be complicated. Master Li mentioned about the old forces' arrangement should be negated. About the old force, I think I would not talk about it in two words. But in any case, I believe Master Li did his best and bear a lot of pain [5]. Here is an article of Master Li in 2001 [6], which I think explains well why (see Chinese version [7]).

Man always thinks that when a God or Buddha appears it will be earth-shaking, that when he saves people his Buddha-image will grandly manifest, and that with a wave of his hand he will destroy the evil ones who undermine the salvation of people. If that were the case, wouldn’t it be better if the Buddha took people up directly from the heavens? You should know that people who are to be saved need to pay off, through arduous cultivation, all the sins and karma that they generated in the past doing bad things, they need to get rid of their human attachments and all the other bad things that they carry, and at the same time they need to rectify their behavior and thinking. Only then can they be saved. If a Buddha were to grandly manifest, even the most evil persons would follow what the Buddha said. Would there still be a chance to cultivate, then? Even if a person did cultivate it wouldn’t count, because a cultivator has to eliminate his sins and karma during arduous cultivation, and, after being purified, move towards Consummation. In fact, when all everyday people see a God’s or Buddha’s image grandly manifest, it is certain that something major is unfolding in the human world and it is very likely the time when humankind’s sins will meet with due retribution. Whether it be a Buddha, Dao, or God, when he saves the world’s people, he certainly must descend to the world and walk the earth with a human image, and use human language to make Fa-principles known. Moreover, when an Enlightened Being descends to the world, it is usually at a time when people’s morals are declining day by day, when people’s sins and karma are enormous, or when people’s morality is degenerate. Once the saved ones have attained the Fa and left, the dregs of humanity and the degenerate world that are left behind will be weeded out.

And in Master Li's Teachings the Fa in San Francisco, 2005 (Chinese [8])

Yes, I do protect Dafa disciples. But, even when at the brink of death they didn't consider themselves Dafa disciples, nor did they remember that they still had me, their master. What was on their minds was: "If I die right here, what will my life have been good for? Who's going to take care of my children? Will my wife re-marry?" When they were being persecuted severely, they didn't call out to Master, instead they called out for their mother, or even yelled for Heaven and Earth. When I tried to stop the persecution, the old forces and the gods of the cosmos all said: "You have to be firm on matters of principle when rectifying the Fa. What Fa are you rectifying? Are you going to take unrighteous things and regard them as the righteous Fa? Is that your disciple over there? Look at him, does he consider you his master?" The more seriously the person was persecuted, the more his human attachments grew, instead of him becoming more steadfast as the persecution went on and having stronger and stronger righteous thoughts to resist the persecution. You tell me, what could be done? All the way until the time he was killed by the persecution, he never regarded himself as a Dafa disciple.

Fortunately, Master recognizes whatever Dafa disciples have done. After he is killed by the persecution, I recognize the fact that it was because he cultivated in Dafa that he was killed by the persecution. Despite the fact that he didn't do well in overcoming that particular tribulation, I won't let his cultivation be in vain. (Applause) That's why I have said that what awaits Dafa disciples, no matter what, is always the brightest and best future. (Applause) What you endured in the persecution does not compare in the least with what you will be given in the future. And it is true that the old forces exploited the gaps of some really good students and killed them through persecution. That happened in the Bay Area also, and it greatly pains Master's heart.

Of course, on this subject, there are many different factors. As long as someone can act like a divine being, nothing will dare to kill him through persecution.

As to the faked version, I think it is just trying to make the nine commentaries look bad.

Actually it is quite unsafe to do surgery in mainland China. Somebody's marrow even could be extracted secretly (stolen) [9] [10] So the decline of moral would hurt everyone ultimately if we don't do something now. Fnhddzs 05:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yenchin, Infact I kept the quotes as temporary substitute for a btter intro.. I think the quotes describe the scenario quite well... anyway we can change that once we have decided upon a better intro... Dilip rajeev 17:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

No, this is not a literature text. This is an article on explaining the facts. The first sentence is sufficient to introduce the idea, and the further pans it out. --Yenchin

Friend, I honestly dont know why you deleted material related to the Tiananmen sq. People are being being tortured to death in China.. The more we delay bringing truth to the people the greater will be the number of families left devastated and people tortured to death and then arent we responsible for that?.. we must be honest to our own conscience...

I have stated clearly in my edits. Go read the history on the FLG article.--Yenchin 05:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The CCP is not China.. it is innocent Chinese people who are being tortured to death... Dilip rajeev 18:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The point? Go read the edit history.--Yenchin 05:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] help to protect the neutrality of the article

Hi,I notice that you have not commented on today's revert war. Dilip and Fnhddzs, without any discussion changed the article from this [11] to a FG propaganda [12]. Perhaps in the future you can help to protect the neutrality of the article. --Samuel Luo 08:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Samuel. I was kind of lost on which part to focus on yesterday because there was a lot of changes and comments after I put up the POV tag. Also my main focus on the FLG article is on the Tiananmen Square incident which was split off. I'll see what I can help after finishing all those comments. --Yenchin 19:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Think about it, why is it that no such incident has been reported outside of China? Why hadnt anything of the sort appeared before 1999? Dilip rajeev 16:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Are we talking about the same incident here? If the self immolation happened in 2001, and as reported in Time it is a heed to a call, why should it happen before 1999? --Yenchin 22:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

It was no "heed" to call..they framed falun gong! There was no "arm" of Falun Gong in Beijing.. How could there be? Starting from 1999 practitioners have been arrested from even their homes.. the chinese media was compeltely cut-off from the rest of the world... it was just something a person told the reporter

Dilip rajeev 18:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no reason to believe they're not. Don't forget that the FLG media is still reporting FLG people getting arrested and tortured in China. Of course there are still arms and branches over there even after July 1999. --Yenchin 19:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Friend, If you truly intent to contribute towards a facutal article on Falun Gong, kindly go though the teachigns of Falun Gong . The central teachings are the nine lectures, available here on http://www.falundafa.org/eng/media.htm#GUANGZHOU . Dilip rajeev 16:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite clear of what the articles say. --Yenchin 22:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I see from your discussions that you practice martial arts Qi Gong. I myself used to. When I came across Falun Gong, I thought it was another form of qi gong.. but in just a few days of doing the exercises I could objectively feel the rotations of the Falun. And in a few weeks time I could feel the rotations of the great and small heavenly circuits.. these are supposed to take decades of arduous practice to open in most systems .. At that time I didnt even know it was something to "expect". And then I started to study the books... If you just try out the exercises you yourself will understand why so many practice Falun Gong... If you are interested in martial arts, you may find these pages interesting.. these were written by prominent martial artists.. http://www.umich.edu/~falun/Experience/li_youfu.html http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=3420 and also an article written by a fellow practitioner:

"My father started practicing Tao school qigong in 1949. He was known as a famous martial arts master in our area, but he had never boasted about himself. On the contrary, he was always very humble and told people that he was a disgrace to his master. Nevertheless, people from near and far kept on coming to our home and asked to fight my father. Some people had even traveled from a few hundred miles away to fight him. Usually when a man came to challenge my father, my father would be very polite to the man and asked him to come sit in our living room. Then they started chatting. After they finished chatting, the two of them would have known who won the fight. It was not at all like what the Chinese martial art movies have portrayed. After the guest left, my father would never tell anyone who won the "fight." Later my father heard about Falun Gong and got a copy of Zhuan Falun. As soon as he finished reading "Genuinely Guiding People Toward High Levels" in Lecture One of Zhuan Falun, he decided to practice Falun Gong. He told me, Falun Gong is the ultimate Kongfu. If he is not the real thing, no one would dare to write that he is genuinely guiding people toward high levels. Since my father started practicing Falun Gong, he has been very diligent in his cultivation practice. He has never even once given up practicing Falun Gong since Jiang Zemin started to openly persecute Falun Gong on July 20, 1999, not even when the persecution was at its most severe in 2002."

..if you just go through the lectures and try out the exercises, you yourself will understand.. there is no need to look at what others say..

..on what the CCP is doing, you will find these articles insightful... http://www.faluninfo.net/Compassion5/Compassion5-v35-screen.pdf http://www.faluninfo.net/Downloads/materials/newspaper/systematic-persecution-screen.pdf http://www.faluninfo.net/Downloads/materials/newspaper/falungongtoday_ny5_final_screenres.pdf Dilip rajeev 16:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

As I mentioned, my qigong is sufficient enough to bring me various benefits. I'd stick with what I'm learning. --Yenchin 22:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Friend,.. According to the QiJournal, it wasn't until 1953, when Liu Guizheng published a paper entitled "Practice On Qigong Therapy", that the term "qigong" came. The term "qi gong" appears in none of the ancient books on cultivation. Ture teachings or cultivation ways are not taught to the public without profound historical reasons.. what has been tought in general public as "qigong" are just simple exercises for healing and fitness.. the ones from different systems aimed at laying a foundation for true cultivation practice... the "benefits" of true cultiation practice far transcend what exercises for healing and fitness can bring.. just sharing my personal experience/understanding.. just contemplate carefully upon things and decide for yourself.. Dilip rajeev 18:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The point? Just because what I'm learning was originally called "lianqi", "Jingzuo", or "liandan" doesn't change the fact that I'm praticing a technique with thousands, if not, hundreds of years of tradition. My master doesn't need to confuse "light years", also a very recent term, as a time unit to explain the universe. --Yenchin 19:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I was just saying what has been handed down in society as Qi gong, in my understanding, are just the lowest level things of several cultivation ways.

Just now, I read this in an article:

"We are like kindergartners trying to talk with a university professor about advanced calculus," says Feng Yuan, Falun Dafa's New York coordinator, who studied physics at China's prestigious Qinghua University and biophysics at Harvard University.

I've been a physics enthusiast from a very young age and a Mensa Member too.. just saying that so that you may not think I am blindly believing in something... even the term "molecules"/"atoms" used in the lectures carry different meanings or doesnt conform to the definition of our 8th Grade textbook ( how could it conform to that definition? ).. And Master Li Hongzhi himself points that out.. as you study the lectures, you yourself wil understand.. I also had trouble understanding everything, the first time I read the book... i'd suggest going through the lecture audios/videos too...

.. If you look at it from the persective of Quantum Mechanics you will find many parts of Zhuan Falun just amazing.. to cite just an instance..

“If there were such an instrument through which we could expand and see the level at which all atomic elements or molecular elements could manifest in their entirety, or if this scene were observed, you would reach beyond this dimension and see the real scenes existing in other dimensions” –Zhuan Falun

“…Thus (as is indeed shown by a more careful consideration of the Mathematical form of the quantum Laws involved here) each elementary particle acts as if it were a projection of a higher dimensional reality” – David Bohm in “Wholeness and Implicate Order” in explaining what Einstein called "spooky action at a distance"..

Master Li Hongzhi has made it very clear in his lectures that he is only borrowing terminology to explain higher phenomenon.

For instance, the 1997 Lecture in United States[13] says:

" Today, I’m only using human language—the simplest human language of today—to tell you about the general situation of this entire vast and profound cosmos. If you can truly and thoroughly understand this Fa, and can practice cultivation in this Fa, the height and depth of what you’ll experience and enlighten to will be beyond description. As long as you practice cultivation, you’ll gradually experience and enlighten to more and more. The more you read Zhuan Falun, the more you’ll understand from it"

"The first issue concerns why our Dafa doesn’t follow the conventions of grammar. This has become a strong obstacle for intellectuals and those with advanced schooling, especially those who work with writing or literature, or do Chinese language studies, etc., that is, people in those disciplines. Why can’t we follow the conventions of ordinary human language when we teach the Fa? As you know, the meaning of a standardized term has been predefined: “This word means precisely XYZ.” Moreover, standardized language is limited and unable to describe the immense Fa. In this enormous cosmos, humankind’s Earth isn’t even a speck of dust in a speck of dust inside yet another speck of dust. That’s how puny it is. How could it possibly hold such an immense Fa? How could the Fa of the cosmos possibly be confined by the conventions of human languages? How could It conform to the conventions of human languages? There’s absolutely no way. Our Fa merely employs human language. As to how this language is used to teach Dafa, it’s good enough as long as it allows you to understand—that’s the purpose. That’s why the language we use doesn’t conform to conventions of grammar."

Dilip rajeev 10:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Which, in case, should have already been termed if you are practicing something that has existed for thousands of years. Confirms more the ignorance and mutilation of science and common sense often seen in FLG. --Yenchin 03:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taiwan support FG?

You said “President Chen Shui-Bian at best only replied at his website saying that China should let people investigate the organ harvesting.” Could you give me a link to this statement? thanks --Samuel Luo 22:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the link, do you know how many FG practitioenrs are there in Taiwan? --Samuel Luo 23:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1st paragraph, intro, FG page

It is two hours before deadline, please discuss and vote. --Samuel Luo 02:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Flood in ancient Chinese writing

Hello! I see that you have voted for Delete for the above article, but there is the actual AfD page being considered here. Please "re-vote" and mention your reasons for deletion. Don't you think it's ridiculous to connect the character "boat" as a proof of such Flood recording in "ancient" Chinese? I mean, from the Oracle Bone Script (the truly ancient Chinese writing) to modern character, the "boat" character must have looked different at different stages. Anyway, thanks for your help. Heilme 21:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tiananmen Square Self-immolation Incident project

Great Yenchin, let’s begin the “Tiananmen Square Self-immolation Incident” project. How are we going to work together? I suggested that we create a page for this incident; it certainly deserves a page. I prefer to do research on the story and you can help out in creating that page and uploading pictures, what do you think? I have not learned how to create page and upload pictures yet, it would be great if you can handle that. --Yueyuen 04:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you are quick! That is great! I suggest that we start without the FG garbage. Let’s draw some outlines for this paper right now and we can then do research around these outlines. I made a list of basic questions in the discussion page, these will be the outlines. --Yueyuen 08:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

In the case I am blocked, you can contact me with this email kelvinYue99@yahoo.com. --Yueyuen 08:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yenchin, check it out the article is up. Citations are not added yet, I will finish it tomorrow.

Yenchin, I am thinking about replacing the one on "supression of Falun Gong" page with the one I wrote what do you think? --Samuel Luo 05:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Falun Gong, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Fire Star 火星 14:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Li Hongzhi page

thanks for the info, indefinitely locked? Wow! I am going to work on the Li Hongzhi page today, could you help me to upload some of his picturs on that page? I will send you the links. thanks. --Samuel Luo 18:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, could you post the following pictures on Li Hongzhi page? I tried but failed, thanks. --Samuel Luo 23:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

http://faluncanada.net/library/pictures/master/master4.jpg

http://faluncanada.net/library/pictures/master/master1.jpg

http://faluncanada.net/library/pictures/faxiang/fx1.jpg

http://faluncanada.net/library/pictures/faxiang/fx8.gif

http://hqphoto.minghui.org/photo_high/exhibition/paintingLord.jpg

In deleting those pictures currently on Li Hongzhi page, can you place these new pictures one per section in the above order? The "Li above Buddhas" picture should be bigger so it stands out. Thanks for helping out. --Samuel Luo 21:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, 4 out of 5 pictures are working, thanks. Can I trouble you again to place this picture of the Falun on the Falun Gong teaching page? http://faluncanada.net/library/pictures/falun/falun8.gif? --Samuel Luo 08:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Yenchin, thank you for putting that last picture up! It says alot about what Li is. --Samuel Luo 17:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 螺妖中的螺妖

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[14]李主佛囧能無線

Hi Yenchin, in accordance with this (quoted below)

Non-free images found on a user page (including user talk pages) may be removed (preferably by replacing it with a link to the image) from that page without warning (and, if not used in a Wikipedia article, deleted entirely).

I have removed the copyrighted image from your user page. --EarthPerson 00:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job Yenchin, thanks for the pictures. I made changes to the text under the falun emblem picture to simplify it. However, if you prefer your original text I can put it back, let me know. --Samuel Luo 06:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, they are trying to delete pictures on Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong teachings pages, need your help to protect them. --Samuel Luo 23:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FG teaching page

Hi, I just added Li's teachings on sickness to the teachings of Falun Gong page, check it out. And while you are there could you add this picture http://faluncanada.net/library/pictures/falun/falun8.gif to it? Thanks a lot for your help. --Samuel Luo 18:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedians FROM Texas

VOTE to keep Category:Wikipedians from Texas from merging with Category:Wikipedians in Texas. Being FROM Texas is not necessarily the same as being IN Texas. --Renice 15:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Dilip

Hi Yenchin,

In Falun Gong the words Fo Fa means Buddha Fa or Buddha Dharma. The word Buddha means an enlightened one. Please see the Lunyu of Zhuan Falun. The Swastika appears in the hindu and brahmin tradition, the greek and roman tradition, the mayan tradition and also the Chinese tradition ( before Shakyamuni's Buddhism came to China) It certainly is not something invented or made up by a religion.

So? The emphasis of the effort of becoming "Buddha" is what makes Buddhism Buddhism. Therefore the "Fa" being called "Fo Fa". It is an established concept irrelevant to religion. The swastika has shown up in many places, so what? The elbem is still laughable with the Taichi in it. You add more origins, you're causing more confusion.

This even not considering that currently the swastika is a dominant Buddhist symbol, especially in Eastern Asia. Bringing up the multiple origins doesn't help anything. --Yenchin 03:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You can find interesting images of the swastika from 3000 B.C in the Indus Valley Civilization! Hey, you could try this wikipdia article on Swastika.. I happen to have a few interesting images of swastika from early civilizations .. nd was planning to upload them to wiki.. infact the page already has a few interesting images..

"Many people think of a matter as soon as we mention Buddha School qigong: Since the goal of the Buddha School is to cultivate Buddhahood, they start to relate it to the things of Buddhism. I hereby solemnly clarify that Falun Gong is qigong of the Buddha School. It is a righteous, great cultivation way and has nothing to do with Buddhism. Buddha School qigong is Buddha School qigong, while Buddhism is Buddhism. They take different paths, even though they have the same goal in cultivation. They are different schools of practice with different requirements."

-The Book Falun Gong

"Buddha School.", more hypocricy.

Please see this section from Zhuan Falun too. http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/lecture3.html#2

You may want to go through this video lecture too. http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/rm-lectures/Lecture3.rm

Dilip rajeev 15:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Heres a quote I found on a website, jst a few mins back..[15] : "The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE. "

The last time I checked, the people of Troy are worshippers of gods, they don't practice any Qigong. --Yenchin 03:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

"That symbol is from Nordic runes and was used in Nordic tribes' pagan culture. Later it was also used by the Teutonic Knights formed in the 12th century."-GUNTERHB

So? Does Odin practice Falun Gong? --Yenchin 03:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention that this is totally irrelevent with the Taichi. --Yenchin 03:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I was just talking about the fact that the swastika has been found in many different civilizations. As for the emblem, you'd understand if you go through these three lectures:

Which is irrelevant to the confusing logo of FLG. --Yenchin 09:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/rm-lectures/Lecture3.rm http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/rm-lectures/Lecture4.rm http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/rm-lectures/Lecture5.rm

Think about it Yenchin, the master who introduced Tai Chi to America, Da Liu, said at the age of 95 that he now asks ALL his students to practice Falun Gong. Please think about it, why did he say so? You would understand what Falun Gong is if you were to

Think about it as well, you're citing a person who has passed away in 2000. It is 2006 now, and the living masters like the Chens, the Yangs, and the Suns...etc are still practicing and promoting Taichi. Not to mention a simple Google search with "Da Liu" shows various Taichi schools despite all the preaching of FLG in the States. In short, Master Da Liu's words mean nothing. Mind you, there are roughly 50 people practicing Taichi in a park where I go every morning, while there are only 6~7 FLG members. --Yenchin 09:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

just listen to the lectures with a sincere heart and just try out the exercise. Thatway, there would be no need to listen to anyone's opinion.

Here we go again. --Yenchin 09:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Arbcom

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[edit] Falun Gong mediation

Hello, I'm sorry it's been awhile, but I recently agreed to mediate that case. I don't know if it's a stale issue, so it would be good if a few of you let me know whether or not mediation is still needed. Since there are so many of you, I'm going to assume that all of you agree to me mediating until and unless I am told otherwise. I'm also going to assume public mediation is fine, unless someone asks for private mediation, or I come to think private mediation might be better. I would, however, appreciate it if you just said something there to let me know if you are still around. Also, assuming you are still interested in mediation, please watchlist the page if you haven't already. Thanks! Armedblowfish (talk|mail) 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buddha Painting

You are free to change your fair use rational, but please don't delete the copyright remark, untill the issue has been resolved, and don't again link the picture till then either. Please abide by the wikipedia principles. Thank you --Hoerth 18:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The only issues brought up is your ignorance. Numerous websites use copyrighted material under fair use. It is you who have no sense on how images could be used. --Yenchin 12:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wuxia

hello yenchin! you're one of the few VIPs missing on the new boards. wuxiamania is defunct, and we're now on wuxiasociety dot org. couldn't find another way to contact you. hoping this won't get deleted. we await the return of our LYS translator. Mawguy 03:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hello

hi how are you doing?..is there a wuxia thing going on, what the hell, why wasn't i involved?..anyways, made a few edits and stuff on my history to wuxia,and stuff, my biggest edit, was one for 'legend of the condor heros'.. can you give me some updates on this wuxiamania please?

Wuxiamania, the English speaking wuxia forum, was down in about Febuary. After hard work from the admin and some other people, they have established the new forum at http://www.wuxiasociety.org --Yenchin 14:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident

Howdy! I am on your side about this article. I've never really taken part in any serious disputes on Wikipedia yet, but I feel this is something I'm ready to tackle. See you on the Talk page. Kent Wang 14:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm opening a Request for Comment. Please add your statement. I will submit RfC when you, me and Benjwong have written our statements there. Never done a RfC before, all this is new to me, please let me know if I make any mistakes. Kent Wang 16:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

You look very interesting, and I'm trying to improve my Mandarin and learn some classic Chinese. Would you mind making contact? MSNM would be best. Thank you. 瀬人様 16:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)