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[edit] Only City
Oh, OK. I misinterpreted that sentence. Maybe it would be better to rephrase it to say something along the lines of: "Yellowknife (62°27′N 114°21′W MST) is the capital of Canada's Northwest Territories, the only city in the territory, and has a population of over 18,000." How does that sound? Rueckk 12:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
That's perfectly accurate, but saying it's the only city in the territory with a population over 5,000 may drive the point home a bit more (http://www.stats.gov.nt.ca/Profile/Profile.html)
[edit] Greeks
There seems to be some minor controversy over including the supposed Greek name of Yellowknife and claims about the Greek-Canadian population there. The source provided (when asked) is a 1913 book which I'm having trouble confirming exists (though I don't speak greek so that's kind of a handicap). When adding disputed claims, the burden is on the person adding them to provide a sufficient source (see WP:V) and books that may or may not exist, and especially personally knowledge, don't really meet that standard. Especially since at least one life-long Yellowknife resident thinks the edits are dubious too (see my talk page). So long story short, DRMAKA or anyone else who thinks the claim is true, please provide a reliable source to back up your claims about the recent Greek-Canadian stuff. --W.marsh 13:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
The 2001 census counted 60 people who said that they had had some Greek ethnocultural ancestry, which was just about one third of one percent of the population at that time; so although not non-existent, personally I think such a proportion is not sufficiently significant to warrant a mention. :) --Paulalexdij (talk) 10:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Why isnt the article explaining about the sports??????
I dont get why the article on Yellowknife ever explins about the sports in the city or in the Territory. Are there any major junior teams to be explained????- User:Creation Christian
[edit] The Range?
Who's idea was it to include an entry on the F#&%ing Range on Wikipedia??? Rough and Tumble? Try a dangerous hole in the wall. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fancyismyname (talk • contribs) 25 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citation for native name
That name meaning "where the money is" doesn't seem completely true. Maybe a reference would be good. What do people think? Supercraft99 19:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- According to the visitors guide [1]], that's what it means, but according to a couple of documents put out by the city ([2], [3]) it means "money place", or "place of wealth". I can't find out how old that name is though. I suspect it only dates back to when Southerners started discovering minerals, since there is not much else of value here. Unless it means abundance of wildlife or something of the sort. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 00:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seal of City of Yellowknife
The image that is there for the seal of the City of Yellowknife -- isn't that the crest of the NWT? Just checking before I change the image. I have uploaded what I believe the coat-of-arms here: Image:City_of_YK_CoatofArms_Colour.jpg. -YK Times 01:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- I checked an annual report document from the City of Yellowknife's website, and the seal seems to match the one you have there. Jamincan 13:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tall Buildings
Yellowknife has a lot of tall buildings for a town of 18,000, anyone know why? Limited land, easier to heat?
- I'm not certain, but it has to do with the fact that Yellowknife houses both territorial and federal government offices, which take up a large portion of these office; the GNWT alone has around 3-5,000 employees (not sure on the exact #). -YK Times 22:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:City of YK CoatofArms Colour.jpg
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[edit] Requested move
Proposing that this article be moved to Yellowknife. Yellowknife already redirects here, and since the DAB page is Yellowknife (disambiguation), this page, which is the most common use of the term, should be called Yellowknife. If there is no consensus for this move, then proper DAB usage would be to move Yellowknife (disambiguation) to Yellowknife and stop having Yellowknife redirect here. Snocrates 11:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Seems reasonable. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 12:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Done, see Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/Cities#Territories. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Wow, that was fast. I was not aware of the previous request. If anyone disagrees, I suppose they can raise this issue again here. Snocrates 12:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lead section
Hi all; as per some comments made in the peer review and later assessment of the Yellowknife article, I though I should work up some additions to the lead section. Anyone have any input or ideas? Thanks. -YK Timestalk 01:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- The lead section might briefly touch on settlement history and economy.. just a sentence or two. The intro optimally just summarizes and introduces the article... no need to get too detailed. Possibly also climate and culture but that might be a bit too detailed. One thing I just noticed the article doesn't seem to cover sufficiently is transportation. Airport and road connectivity should be mentioned... you could add something about that to to the intro if nothing else. --W.marsh 02:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Demographics
Hi; have added a whole lot of census data. Might add more after the next census release. :)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulalexdij (talk • contribs) 10:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] GA Review
The article is a thorough treatment of the subject, but I have some items that need addressing, mainly regarding the prose and some uncited sections. In general the prose is too wordy and could use a general copy-edit although for GA purposes this is not as urgent as it would be for FA. Can I suggest looking at User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a: redundancy exercises. It is designed to assist in reaching FA standard but it is also useful for general prose improvement. The article is neutral and stable and the images are appropriate and freely licensed.
Consider moving the climate and physical geography section to a section earlier in the article. Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, a city of a similar size may be useful as a guide for the article structure.- The lead could probably be expanded in line with WP:LEAD to work as a précis for points discussed later in the article.
*"Traditionally, First Nations people had occupied this region; by the 1800s they had a settlement on a point of land on the east side of Yellowknife Bay, a community now known as Dettah. The current municipal area of Yellowknife was occupied by prospectors who ventured into the region in the mid-1930s." -- both sentences need referencing. *The abbreviation NWT needs to be explained at its first use. *"Gold was first reported in the area of Yellowknife Bay in the late 19th century when a Klondike-bound prospector named B.A. Blakeney found gold deposits" reword, try "A Klondike-bound prospector, B.A. Blakeney, made the first discovery of gold in the Yellowknife Bay area in the late 19th century." *"In the late 1920s, aircraft were beginning to enter use in the exploration of Canada's arctic regions" reword, try "In the late 1920s, aircraft were first used to explore Canada's arctic regions" *"In that season they found gold samples at Quyta Lake, about 30 km (19 mi) up the Yellowknife River, and some additional samples at Homer Lake" Lose "in that season", this is clear from the earlier sentence. *"it entered into production on September 5, 1938." replace with "the mine entered production" *"grew quickly" --> "quickly grew" *"This important new status provided what has been coined as the third boom in Yellowknife, as housing went up in new subdivisions of town to accommodate an influx of government workers" too wordy, the sentence could be split. Did the new status "provide" anything? Maybe "sparked" is a better word. "New sub-divisions were established to house an influx of government workers." is perhaps better phrasing. *"In addition, a Commissioner is appointed by the Federal Government to fulfill a similar role to that of the Lieutenant Governor. The Northwest Territories is one of only two federal, provincial or territorial jurisdictions in Canada that operates under a consensus system of government." needs a reference. *"Electoral districts in Yellowknife" remove the section heading and incorporate content into previous paragraph. *"Yellowknife's economy is rooted around..." This paragraph needs sourcing. A rewrite of the first sentence may also be desirable. *"the Government of the Northwest Territories, the Government of Canada" wouldn't this be better written as "the Territory Government, Federal Government" *Tourism is the largest sector of renewable-based industries in the NWT, and the majority of visitors to the territory touch down in Yellowknife" try "Tourism is the largest renewable industry in the NWT and Yellowknife is the main entry point for visitors." *"who are under the employ of the City of Yellowknife" try "employed by the City" *"and sees over 400,000 passenger and 30,000 tonnes of cargo yearly" - unclear, please rewrite. Is sees the best word to use here? *"In Yellowknife, the population is slightly disproportionate" descibe what way in prose. Is it skewed young, old, male etc compared to Canadian averages. *"The crime rate in Yellowknife is 42.9 (per 1,000 persons) for violent crimes, and 50.3 (per 1,000 persons) for property crimes. There were 265 births and 60 deaths in 2004." needs sourcing *"Yellowknife has a semi-arid subarctic climate..." This paragraph needs sourcing *"Yellowknife is located on the Canadian Shield, which was scoured down to rock during the last ice age" This paragraph needs sourcing. *Is it worth writing about the layout of the city? Where is the industrial areas, the downtown area, the newest neighborhoods etc. Are there areas with significant concentrations of minority groups? I will pass the article without this but it would be an improvement. *"Yellowknife, like other frontier mining towns, has a colourful culture and society." Expand it or lose it altogether. At present it does not add to the article. *Midnight Sun Golf Tournament, Raven Mad Daze. format as proper references and add redlinks if you think an article is appropriate.
- "Some of the more notable places to visit in Yellowknife include the Wildcat Cafe, which first opened in 1937..." The entire paragraph needs sourcing and it reads a little like a tourist guide with sentences such as "During the warm days of summer you can relax at the Long Lake beach." for example.
- The media section needs sourcing.
- Either make this section a proper prose section or turn it into a list with a short statement of notability; e.g. Margot Kidder - actress.
- Links already included in the body of the text are generally not repeated in the "See also" section. Some of these links could be incorporated into the article itself such as the other airports and the CFNA HQ.
- The first external link is better placed in the Yellowknife Airport article if it not already there. It probably does not belong in this article.
Given the above, and especially the sections entirely unreferenced, I have decided to fail the article at this stage. Don't be discouraged, it is not too far from GA standard and with a bit of work could get there relatively soon. If, after addressing the points above and performing a general copy-edit, you wish to relist, please let me know and I will be happy to take another look. Cheers and happy editing, Mattinbgn\talk 10:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for all your help on improvements to this article. It is greatly appreciated! I will begin working some of these in over the next week; once I'm done, could I get you to check it over again before I relist? Thanks again. -YK Timestalk 03:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
