User talk:Yehoishophot Oliver

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Welcome!

Hello, Yehoishophot Oliver, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Rabbi Hirschsprung

I made a page for Rabbi Pinchas Hirschsprung, I cant find much info for him though, would you have any good references? Gavhathehunchback (talk) 05:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I worked a bit on the article. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability Again

I made a Chabad Niggunim page and I ran into notability problems again. I tried putting third-party references, but it got flagged again for deletion. It seems like an administrator took off the flag, so it might not be in trouble anymore, but please revise it and add as much as possible. Thanks.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Chabad Leader

I am new to wikipedia and I am running into trouble trying to make new articles about Chabad personalities. How can I establish their notability? My page on Menucha Rachel Slonim was already deleted for lack of notability and my page on Reb Mendel Futerfas might also be deleted. Gavhathehunchback (talk) 01:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You prevent such issues by quoting from multiple original sources. :) Please let me know if you have any other areas in which you need assistance. You can also email me using the "E-mail this user" feature on the left side of my user page. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem! I was actually planning to start this page for a while, but you beat me to it.:)Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 04:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I made a new article on Rebbetzin Menucha Rachel Slonim, when you get a chance, please look it over so it doesn't get deleted.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 04:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chabad-Lubavitch

Yehoishophot (or is it Oliver?): I have reverted your last edit of Chabad-Lubavitch. The expression 'previous rebbe' (or frierdiker in Yiddish) is not a title – it just means what it says. It is the norm amongst chasidim (not only Chabad) to refer to the current rebbe as der rebbe shlito or der hayntiker rebbe and the most recent rebbe as der rebbe zikhroinoi livrokho or der frierdiker rebbe. – Redaktor 00:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Netzarim

Hello Yehoishophot Oliver,

I left a message for you on Talk:Netzarim, but essentially, no matter how you may feel about a topic, all entries must be verifiable and written from a neutral point of view. Let me know if you have any questions, Tewfik^Talk 06:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I've responded there. Yehoishophot Oliver 06:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disengagement plan

Please stop making blatant POV edits to articles concerning Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, especially using various forms of the word 'expel', a word which indicates condemnation of the events (see more here). You might be angry about it, but Wikipedia is a place for facts not opinions. Number 57 16:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tzniut

I reverted your edit. The edit violates our WP:NPOV policy, which prohibits presenting a single POV as fact, and wasn't supported by any sources. It is simply not appropriate for Wikipedia to present, as fact, that points of view different from yours are wrong. Best, --Shirahadasha 14:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of User Talk Page

Would appreciate your taking a moment to review the WP:USER policy, particularly

As a matter of practice user talk pages are generally not deleted, barring legal threats or other grievous violations that have to be removed for legal reasons; however, exceptions to this can be and are made on occasion for good reason (see also Right to vanish).

Best, --Shirahadasha 13:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion and Sexuality

Shavua Tov! I reverted your edit to this article because you removed {{fact}} tag without supplying a source. COuld you supply a source for the statement about love of the body in Judaism? Best, --Shirahadasha 12:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Noahide laws

I want to encourage you not to remove well-sourced materials that you disagree with, this could cause difficulties. A number of statements you removed were well-sourced. Reform Judaism sometimes seeks converts, so as far as Wikipedia is concerned not seeking them is only "generally" the case. Likewise, we know reliably that Maimonides and "the Medieval sage Nissim of Gerona" disagreed about whether Islam was a Noahide religion. But whether the Maimonides' opinion disagrees with his own Mishnah Torah, as you wrote, is a matter of opinion; a Wikipedia editor's own opinion is not a reliable source for what Maimonides would think his own work would say about a particular case, particularly when we know Maimonides himself actually applied it differently. I'd like to encourage you not to attempt to Poskin on Wikipedia; the fact that a classical authority said something doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only possible position or that everyone agrees, then or now. --Shirahadasha 20:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1. Why are you posting here and not on the talk page there? 2. Reform is not Judaism. 3. "Well-sourced"?! No source was quoted for this absurd claim about the Rambam vs. the Ran. The meaning of the phrase Noahide religion must be qualified, which is exactly what I did. If other poskim disagreed, then it behooves whoever argues that that was so to quote his exact source. Yehoishophot Oliver 21:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I saw that you edited the Kabbalah article

I saw that you edited the aforementioned article, I invite you to join my new wikiproject Wikipedia: WikiProject Kabbalah. Thanks. Lighthead 23:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Broyde category/ies

Hi. Perhaps my summary comment wasn't clear. I mean to say that, if you would like to remove the categories I've proposed (and I feel substantiated) please discuss it first on the talk page for the article. Or you can just contact me on my talk page, as you started to do, which is fine. Thanks. Kol tuv, "HG | Talk" 04:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orthodox Judaism template

I noticed that on the Eruv article and a number of others, you replaced the Judaism template with an Orthodox Judaism template. I would recommend that before replacing templates in this manner, please place a notice on both Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism and Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism and give the community an opportunity to discuss it. Best, --Shirahadasha 19:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!! --Shirahadasha 23:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Yehoishophot Oliver: Welcome to Wikipedia. I agree with User:Shirahadasha's concerns, you cannot do something so radical without first consulting some more experienced editors. IZAK 06:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Orthodox Judaism

Template:Orthodox Judaism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 08:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chabad template.

The {{Chabad}} template looks like pure Chabad propaganda. Why isn't there a CONTROVERSY section in it to balance out all the schmaltz? This Wikipedia and not Chabad.org! See Template talk:Chabad#Controversy? and I would like to remind you to note the following rules:

Take care, IZAK 13:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3 revert rule

Please refrain from repeatedly undoing other people's edits, as you are doing in Jewish denominations. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. The three-revert rule (3RR) prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, please discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. nadav (talk)

I hear what you are saying. Note that I didn't repeatedly undo others' edits, I undid their reversions of my edits, without discussion on the talk page. The only reason that they're not getting this message from you is that several people reverted me, not just one, so no other single person violated this rule.Yehoishophot Oliver 04:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding this edit

I wouldn't call the word "denominations" a "blatant POV." I don't think your version is better or worse than the previous one, but it has become conventional to refer to Orthodox, Conservative, etc. as "denominations." The use of that word does not mean they are all equally legitimate: as an Orthodox Jew, I believe Orthodoxy is the only legitimate form of religious worship. But for Wikipedia, legitimacy is not the issue. The question is, do all these groups exist and claim to be a part of Jewish society, and the answer is yes. Yechiel Man 13:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

So what that it's conventional in some--i.e., non-Orthodox--circles to refer to Reform and Conservative as denominations? That simply reflects their POV to legitimise these religions. The issue here is not what they claim, but how their claim is presented. If they always make it clear that Orthodox Judaism considers them a heretical deviation, but they consider themselves legit., then they're at least being honest. But to call themselves, or for us to call them, denominations, implies clearly that they're legit., which is strongly disputed. Thus, it is clearly a fundamentally POV term. Yehoishophot Oliver 14:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I'm afraid I doubt you're going to get much support from other Wikipedia editors on this one. What if Reform Jews started objecting to the word "Orthodox" (which is greek for "correct belief" on the ground that it is POV for Wikipedia to use a word that implies a belief is correct? What if, whenever the beliefs of Orthodox Jews were mentioned, they insisted that Wikipedia add the phrase "but many Reform Jews consider this nothing more than a bunch of hokey myths and taboos" in order to make clear that they don't consider Orthodox Judaism legit? If you insist on doing this for Reform Judaism, what's to stop them from doing something similar for Orthodox Judaism? It would make a mishmash out of Wikipedia. Best, --Shirahadasha 16:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fine, it doesn't have to be said every time that the names of the groups themselves are mentioned. But in the wording of an article whose very purpose is to define these groups, and it uses the POV word denomination in the article name, it should be pointed out from the outset that this usage is only accepted by some. Yehoishophot Oliver

[edit] Auspices Re Yeshivah College Melbourne

For something to be under someone's auspices there must be some level of control at the present time. Menachem Schneerson is dead. Thus he has no control. Either leave it at the "school continued" or it "continues under the chabad lubavitch movement". but continues to be under the auspices of a dead guy is misleading and unencyclopaedic. Also, please do not remove my comments from the article talk page. 58.175.200.168

Do not remove comments from article talk pages or I will report you. 203.49.58.76 05:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Do not write comments with no signature whatsoever, against wiki etiquette, and expect registered members to put up with it. As for your comment, I have already responded on the talk page there; I don't understand why you see fit to comment here as well. Yehoishophot Oliver 11:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop removing my comment from the Yeshivah College, Australia talk page. It is a form of vandalism and if you continue i will report you for it. 58.175.201.252 01:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

But you seem to have comprehension difficulties: I wrote my reason in the edit summary there, and above right here in my last message, which you surely saw: You violated wiki etiquette by posting with no signature at all. Of course, I can't threaten to report you for that, because you are hiding cowardly. Yehoishophot Oliver 10:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli flag

I have commented at Template talk:WPJewish nav.--DLand ^TALK 15:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible stub merge

Have you seen Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion? It is being proposed that the Chabad-stub and the Hasidic dynasties-stub be merged into {{Hasidic-Judaism-stub}}. Please make your views known! Chesdovi 10:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Yehoishophot Oliver 15:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your splitting of Template:Jewish holidays

Hi, I noticed that you split Template:Jewish holidays and created Template:Israeli holidays. Please see my comments on Template talk:Jewish holidays regarding my reasons against this split. Previous consensus on this very topic has been to have a single template for both but to split it into sections to appease both sides of the argument. The fact that nobody commented on your proposal to split the articles does not always imply that people are in agreement. In fact, I don't think anyone noticed the proposal. I think we need to revert back to the old method until it is fully discussed, as the previous occasions this has been discussed have been pretty firmly in the single-template camp. A good place to mention the discussion would probably be WP:JEW or on the article for Jewish Holidays itself. You can direct the people on the talk pages therein to the existing discussion in Template talk:Jewish holidays. For now, I think it should be reverted according to the results of the last discussion. Kol tuv, Valley2city 04:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I disagree. I proposed it on the relevant page, waited several months, asked again and again if anyone has objections, and no one objected, even as they saw the change being made, until you've come along and objected now. So regardless of old discussions, the current consensus is clearly to split. Yehoishophot Oliver 16:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't consider a proposal that doesn't garner any comments whatsoever as "clear consensus". I would sooner claim apathy or ignorance of the proposal to be the reason that there have not been any comments. I have listed a counter proposal on WT:JEW and on the Template talk:Jewish holidays and have not received response on either but I wouldn't consider that consensus in either direction. All I have for past consensus is the compromise made in the past to have a single template split into sections. I don't think changing an established consensused compromise due to nobody else weighing in is the right way to go. Have a Good Shabbos. Valley2city 18:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar award

		The Original Barnstar
		I hereby award you with an Original Barnstar after coming across Tefillin Campaign which you created. After expanding extensively on tefillin myself, I was delighted to unexpectedly stumble upon a fine elaboration of the "Tefillin campaign" phenomena and hastily wikilinked it to the tefillin page. Thank you! Chesdovi 00:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for thanking me! :) Yehoishophot Oliver 04:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:ANI notification

Just a notification but you were mentioned at WP:ANI. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Please be careful not to add controversial material to Wikipedia unless there is a very reliable source to back it up. See also our policy on biographies of living people. Thank you. - Jehochman ^Talk 12:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep it in mind, thanks.Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 12:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Defining Judaism(In regards to Jewish_views_of_religious_pluralism

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jewish_views_of_religious_pluralism" Peace, I'm trying to learn about Judaic thought on different religions... as a former Christian, that statement about 'Old Testament God of Justice', 'New Testament God of Love'(which was taken by some early Gnostics to claim that it was a lesser God) has been typical in my understanding of Judaism thus my understanding comes from that and in my ignorance that defines my understanding of Judaism..thus in Christianity we see God as have being cruel and yet just for Judaism...could you help lead me to a better understanding of this? as a current Hindu I follow the 'religious pluralism, equal paths' precept..I'm trying to see how Judaism acknowledges other religions in their capability for salvation. Shalom,DomDomsta333 (talk) 06:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Orthodox Judaism doesn't acknowledge other religions as valid, though it recognises that they may contain elements of truth, that stem from Judaism. For non-Jews, Judaism prescribes the Noahide laws. See [www.asknoah.org here]. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the Jewis views of religious pluralism article I would say that it mostly represents the views of Conservative Judaism, and tends to avoid both views within Orthodox Judaism which tend to limit a pluralistic view on grounds Jewish choseness, and sources in Reconstructionist Judaism and Reform Judaism which discourage a concept of Jewish chosenness as an obstacle to pluralism. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. both of you, reading the Noahide laws, makes me see the importance of moral conduct which is similar to that in many religions...thanks, DomDomsta333 (talk) 08:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chabad article AFD

Hi: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upper Midwest Merkos - Lubavitch House and if you can raise the quality of Upper Midwest Merkos - Lubavitch House. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 12:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] help

I create some stubs that need help. Jewish Learning Institute, Vaad Rabonei Lubavitch, and Zelig Sharfstein can you help improve them? Chocolatepizza (talk) 13:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know; I'll see what I can do. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:431px-Zevin.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:431px-Zevin.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Polly (Parrot) 04:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Look, I did my best to credit it. I posted the information from Hebrew wikipedia. What do I have to do that I didn't do? Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 04:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Issue with Tefillin campaign

I noticed that you created and had been editing this page, but 90% of the material appears to be a direct word-for-word copy of this article. You might want to take a look at WP:NFC for issues regarding including copyrighted works in Wikipedia. The linked article would be fine as a source, but it needs to be cited rather than being copied into the article. --Clay Collier (talk) 09:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can you comment on this article

I posted on Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Moshe_Rubashkin about an article that you edited. Please, could you go there and comment on the situation? --Enric Naval (talk) 22:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)