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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Pepper2002.jpg

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Spottedsaddlehorse.jpg

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[edit] Commercial use of Image:Spotted saddle horse.jpg

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[edit] Commercial use of Image:Tiger horse.jpg

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[edit] Little context in Balikun (horse)

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[edit] Userboxes

Userboxes are not easy to explain, but Wikipedia:Userboxes is the place to start.

After about three hours trying to figure them out, I now have forgotten how I did it, and when I see a cool one now, I just use copy and paste in the edit box (being VERY careful not to mess with someone else's user page!) to swipe the formatting code from other people's pages. Montanabw 04:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Blackanigallop.gif

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Thanks for adding more info to the page. Could you put a notice on your web site saying that this image is public domain? That would clear up the issue. —Remember the dot (talk) 20:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for a project?

If you want to do another horse breed article, I ran across one that was new to me, the Carolina Marsh Tacky. Interesting rare breed. http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=9641

There's also a web site for the rare breed survival trust that may be a good source for some interesting articles, once we make sure that there aren't already articles out there... Montanabw 18:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


Oh, and if you want to stay out of image copyright problems, safest to use the GDFL license or else public domain. The wikigods are incredibly anal about this. Montanabw 18:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Breed articles

Hey Horsecanter and Yemenah, I am not really trying to make your lives miserable by various tags, I just am trying to encourage the creation of breed articles that are REAL articles. There are a lot of new "breeds" out there that are mostly someone's marketing ploy, and a lot of "breeds" that are types, not breeds (like Sport Horse). Anyway the point is that an article needs at least one good full citation and should follow at least a sketch of an outline as found in the Horse Breeds Wikiproject. Stubs are OK, sometimes with rare breeds, we can't find much, but try to say SOMETHING unique about the breed, like where it comes from, what its unique characteristics are, etc...don't just create a sentence to remove a red link. Something like a breed is a "medium-sized riding horse" is not an article. Tell us why we should care, at least a little. Thanks. Montanabw 21:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

(So what determines whether a breed is a true breed or just a crossbreed? Practically every breed except the Arabian is a crossbreed, and where is the line drawn? I read that the Aegidienberger may not actually be a true breed but a crossbreed, but where is the line drawn? --Yamenah 14:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC))

Basically, if we can't find anything more than horse breed X is crossed on horse breed Y and the registry for the "breed" formed within the last 10 years at web site www.makememoney.com (grin), please send your application with $100 and two cereal box tops, we should at least say so in the article and list the question of whether this is a "crossbred" or a "breed" as a controversy. (Sort of like the "is it a horse or a pony? Question. Just state the official position and then discuss the controversy and other views on the matter). I personally like the definition of breed used in the wikipedia article, in that a breed is a population that passes on characteristics to its get, i.e. breeds "true," but that is also pretty nebulous and hard to define. I guess my take on the matter is that we are doing OK if we use authoritative sources like Oklahoma State and the International Museum of the Horse. If they want to call it a breed, and have articles with useful information that we can utilize, then at least we have verifiability from a neutral source and not just commercial linkspam. For example, Palomino is NOT and cannot be more than a color breed because it is genetically impossible for Palominos to always throw Palominos. OTOH, Friesians can be a breed and be of only one color as a genetic characteristic, it isn't genetically impossible. Anyway, my take is that if IMH and OSU both say it's a breed, we are passing Wikipedia's verifiability guidelines, which is what really matters here. Beyond that, don't cut and paste (copyright violation) but do say more than a sentence. Otherwise, leave the red link for someone else who has time to do the job. You're not the worst offender here, FYI... Montanabw 17:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zhemaichu

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[edit] back drawing

Hey, the skeleton superimposed over the horse photo was a very cool idea, but when I enlarged it, I noticed some errors, namely that you left out the sacrum, the vertebrae that make up the croup, instead you went right from the lumbar to the coccygeal vertebrae, puting about half the sacrum in one set and half in the other... The lumbar stop at the pelvis, and the Coccyx starts at the dock of the tail. May want to fix that before someone deletes the image. Montanabw 06:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skeletons

Here's one, labeled diagram is toward the bottom of the page, though it doesn't mark the beginning and end of each section: http://www.cyberhorse.net.au/cgi-bin/tve/displaynewsitem.pl?20040208skeletalbasics.txt

Here's one of people and dogs: http://137.222.110.150/calnet/musculo/page8.htm Note the proportions on the dog are way different...far shorter lumbar region, longer tail. But translating to a hrose, figure the Lumbar are the 5-6 verebrae after the last rib (each thoracic vertebrae has a rib hanging off of it), and stop at the ilium, where the sacrum begins. The sacrum is fused, so the coggygeal vertebrae start where you see the fairly obvious flexible joint and fairly dramatic change in size of the vertebrae.

You could also ask User:Eventer is she can scan something. She's the anatomy guru. Montanabw 16:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks even cooler, I like the addition of muscles and such (!) but the coccygeal vertebrae look a wee bit too far forward because the line hits at the last sacral vertebrae, I'd tweak that a wee bit, seeing as how you got to it so fast (grin). Also, the Thoracic vertebrae begin at the end of the cervical vertebrae, so maybe nudge that starting line up a bit, I know it will look a little weird with the scapula in the way, don't know the solution there, but kick it around and see what works. You do have a knack for this...Montanabw 16:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Say! We noticed (finally) that the entire image Image:Horseanatomy.png has multiple mislabelings, not just the spinal column (says the horse has a collarbone, and it doesn't.) Any way you can "deconstruct" that image to take off ALL the labels and then re-upload it so myself or User:Eventer can relabel it properly? Let me know, and thanks in advance. (FYI, check out horse anatomy and the related new articles, Eventer has been busy!) Montanabw(talk) 03:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Will tell Eventer. Montanabw(talk) 19:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I have actually now fixed the diagram myself. Unfortunately with a diagram this size (the master file is layered and 7000 x 6000 pixels and is 250mb in size) just opening it is no small affair so it takes me a fair amount of time to do it. I would not recommend clipping out the old labels as you'd be editing the rasterised small version thats uploaded here to wikipedia. Generally in graphic design theres a rule of thumb that everything is drawn 3 times the final size and then resized down to give it detail and sharpness. If you notice any more problems with the diagram or have a label you'd like me to add if you let me know I should be able to make changes to it much quicker now that I have the image master file to hand and up to date with the version here. Thanks WikipedianProlific(Talk) 10:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I checked the relabeled image. It's much better, and the additional, fairly minor glitches are discussed on the creator's talk page. Still, while I'm glad it's fixed, I'm glad Yemenah was willing to start the "fixing" process. I would have been doing labels in Word or something, so the "fixed" image would not have been of as high resolution, but accuracy does count! Montanabw(talk) 20:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] American Spotted Paso

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