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[edit] Merge

You should merge this artical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.242.21 (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

This is rapidly becoming a fannon page. Beowulph 22:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

You're telling me, I'm trying to fix it... Thanos6 02:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Please people, stop deleting my battles section ...

The battles should be worked into the main article. They're also very poorly written, with bad spelling, grammar and things like "beats the crap out of". Beowulph 18:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry dude ,but you can do correction ... I took over most of stuff form my friend's site , and I didn't have time to check grammar.With the speed someone is writting Dragonball section we won't be needing battles, so maybe I'll delete it.

You're supposed to write original material for Wikipedia, or take it from texts that are in the public domain. Did your friend consent to his/her material being used on Wikipedia? More importantly, does your friend have the right to do such? Otherwise, you're essentially licensing out other people's material as though it's your own. That's stealing. elvenscout742 19:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Of course he did ... He's my best friend dude.SSJ 5 21:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I added Garlic Jr. Saga ... SSJ 5 22:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Fan manga so great as Elesewhere should have it's pleace on this page. 81.18.55.28 11:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC) It's the same if you would delete the whole page about some web comic (ex. The Wotch or sometin'). This is just an external link and please do not delete it.

[edit] Battles

[edit] Yamcha vs. Goku

The first battle Yamcha has is fight with Goku at the begining of Dragonball. He was the first fighter who was able to fight evenly with the young Saiyan. This is when we, for the first time, witness his Rogafufuken attack. Yamcha had advantage in this fight and was about to finish Goku off, but ran away in terror because he saw Bulma, as Yamcha had a fear for girls then. After learning of the Dragonballs, Yamcha starts following Goku and fires a bazooka at them. Goku engages in an attack, catches Yamcha off guard and knocks out one of his teeth. Yamcha runs at the sight of this blemish.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Chi-chi

When Chi chi discovers more people are out there, she tries for the beam on her helmet again. It doesn't work, because Yamcha knocks her out.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Oozaru Goku

After Goku and co. are trapped by Pilaf, Goku sees a full moon, and transforms into a huge monkey. Everyone runs away scared, and Yamcha remembers that Goku's tail is his weakness. He tells Puar to turn into a pair of scissors, and cut off his tail. After that is done, they all rest after the terror they faced.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Jackie Chun

Yamcha hears that this man is very good and tries to attack. Jackie Chun dodges everything and waves his fist in front of Yamcha, with the wind knocking him out of the ring.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Invisible Man

Yamcha was second to fight in this tournament. Although he was up for a fight, he couldn't see who he was fighting. Krillin knew Kame sennin was a pervert, so he took Bulma's shirt off, thus, blood coming out of Kame sennin's nose, and drenching the Invisible Man. He gives up after he is all wet.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Myra/Mummy

Yamcha tries to fight the mummy, but is to weak to fightafter his fight with Invisible Man and traveling. He is soon defeated by a hit in the face, and gives up before he is thrown into acid.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Punk

Yamcha trains very hard for this event. He goes and elbows this man, to declare victory.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Tien

He was the first fighter to make Tien fight seriously. They start evenly but later he is punched in the stomach and brought to the ground. But then Yamcha uses Kamehameha for the first time, but Tien is able to reflect it causing Yamcha to dodge it. Tien then fast flies in the air, finds Yamcha off guard and breaks his leg.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Shen

Yamcha tries to hit Shen, but somehow he avoids every attack, and then hits his head on his pelvis area. Then Yamcha uses Sokidan and knocks Kami off his legs. Then Kami(Shen) compliments his on being able to control his energy that well. Fight continues but Kami is more expirienced and stronger than any fighter and eventualy wins.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Saibaiman

Yamcha's power is obviosly way bigger than Saibaman's ,and he is wery confident and underestimates Saibaman. After some time Yamcha knockes out Saibaman. It seems like Yamcha had won easily, but, it turns out, out of all Yamcha's struggles and attempts, a sneak attack from the Saibaiman, gets Yamcha in a death grip, and the Saibaiman self-destructs, killing Yamcha.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Recoome

King Kai brings Ginew force on his planet to help training Yamcha, Tien and Chaozu. Yamcha takes on Recoome. First he lackes self confidance, but after hearing of Goku's victory over Freeza he cheers up and beats the crap out of Recoome, sending him to hell.

[edit] Yamcha vs. Android 20/Dr. Gero

When Yamcha goes out and looks for the Androids, he runs into them. Not knowing that it's them he gets clamped on in the mouth and gets the energy sucked from him. It doesn't stop there, he then gets punctured. That's right, straight through the stomach. Then he falls unconscious.

[edit] Yamcha and co. vs. Cell jr.'s

When Cell wanted to see Gohan's true hidden power he created mini versions of him to attack Z Fighters. Z Fighters were able to stop Cell jr.'s for some while but at the end they were outnumbered and outmathed.

[edit] Yamcha, Piccolo, Tien and Krillin vs. Super Perfect Cell

In stand off between Super Perfect Cell , Z Fighters tryed to help Gohan, but at the end Vegeta was the one to delever final blow with his full power Big Bang Attack and help Gohan.

[edit] About the video game dragon ball Z the legend

yamcha isn't a playable character in the game dbz the legend.Victtorio 14:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Victtorio

[edit] ZANZOKEN

So? SSJ 5 23:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Power Level, it's not really Zanzoken that Yamcha used. Beowulph 04:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

...-138.88.44.31 01:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well isn't Zanzoken realy moving realy fast so that an image would be left behid???? It was Zanzoken IMO! 81.18.49.199 02:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If it were Zanzouken or a shadow attack, there would be a ghost-like image of Yamucha lefted behind, but there wasn't. Power level (Dragon Ball) 15:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll post an image in a day or two and then we'll see for sure ...SSJ 5 13:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't post yet, due to that DVD's are not at my place at the time XD. I'll probably post before Catholic Christmas. SSJ 5 04:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yamcha's baseball career

Apparently, Yamcha playing baseball was something that Toriyama himself suggested to the anime production team. According to the Daizenshuu EX podcast #54, this is documented in the Son Gokû Densetsu Anime Guide Book. It's a neat bit of trivia, so I'm going to add a citation. --Son Goharotto 21:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems allright SSJ 5 15:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yamcha was on a minor league baseball team. This is shown when the Z team are off looking for the rest of their memebers in the start of DBZ. He hits a home run out of the stadium and is apparently very good. It is unclear why he never went "pro". But what is clear is that he played baseball and was very good at it. It is very neat trivia. Either add a trivia section and delete the part where it is at now, or keep it the way it is. Maybe spice up the words a bit. --Prede (talk) 00:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The link to a video PROVING he played baseball in the anime fillers http://video.aol.com/video-detail/dragon-ball-z-yamuchas-baseball-fight-hd/1445928458 Also I would like to thank whoever edited the article to put the baseball thing where it is now and wrote it up nicely. They wrote it better then I could, but I clerified it was SHOWN in an episode or two. You can change that however you like, but clerify please it was shown in the show. Alternate Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkdMZ1Mfz0s -Prede (talk) 06:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elesewhere

Why do you keep deleting this dōjinshi??? It is a masterpiece ad you will never find such a good DBZ fan manga (and it is all about one character, Yamcha).

Indeed it is a masterpiece. I'm not arguing that. But it's not official, QED, we can't use it. Otherwise we may as well put up links about any halfway-decent fanfiction. Thanos6 21:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, but couldn't we make an exception, cause this is all about one character manga? It is rarity. SSJ 5 06:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vs. Frieza

In this article it says Yamcha got strong enough to hold his own against final form Frieza. Is this stated anywhere, or is it just fanon? User:Mr. Blonde 139 06:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I am 99.9999999999% sure it's fanon. Granted, it's fanon I wish was TRUE, but... Thanos6 08:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That is very "possible" becuase at the end of the series they all progessed a HUGE amount. It is NEVER stated though how high his "power level" is at his strongest point. Freiza says his is "over one million" but that is known as more of an estimate. It was acually closer to 800,000. Can anyone check to see what his last "stated" power level was(if it was even stated?) It is possible that he could hold his own against Frieza at Yamcha's strongest point, but probally "impossibe" to prove enless it is stated direclty, somewhere in the show.Prede (talk) 00:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd say Yamucha couldn't hold his own against Freeza. I mean, Vegeta got killed by final form Freeza and if Yamucha was able to hold out against Freeza, that would mean he'd be as strong as Goku was when he fought Freeza before becoming a Super Saiyan (and that's unlikely). Judging by the fight on King Kai's planet between Yamucha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and the Ginyu Force, I'd say Yamucha was only a little stronger than Reacoom. And anyway, after the fight with the Ginyu Force, I'd estimate that Yamucha's power level was only about 40,000. And also, Freeza stated that his power level was over one million in his second form. When he used 50% of his maximum power in his final form against Goku, his power level would reach about 60,000,000, which not even Goku could handle without the Kaio-ken x20. Son Gohan (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The making of this article

How come this article has been cut down like an introduction of him and basically some links same with the Tenshinnan article i read both of them frequently and everything said in them was accurate towards what happened in the show, ok wikipedia don't like people's terms of use for example above "beat the crap out of" then change that don't delete practically the whole article, this article now is basically pointless as it doesn't tell a person looking up yamcha anything about him apart from "he was in Dragonball Manga" WOW come on what was wrong before? noticed wikipedia are combining articles aswell now... no need just getting a bunch of hate lol cheers sorry about my views but surely you can understand :-) (it's especially irritating seeing how good wikipedia used to be Jonoridge 10:30, —Preceding comment was added at 10:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baseball rephrasing and "original content"

I rephrased the baseball part becuase how it is written right now makes it appear that it was never shown that he played baseball. Sense he IS a baseball player that should be stated, I can't see how writing it the way it is right now informs people, it acually makes it quite confuseing. The artcile goes from saying what he looks like, and how tall he "IS" to the way the baseball thing is written now. It probally should be STATED he is a baseball player. Please re-write it in a different way. Make some type of compromise or I'll try to later. As for the "orgiginal content", I cannot see how stateing what the last episode in Dragonball GT shows us is anything close to original research by someone. It is clearly shown in the cannon episode of Dragonball GT, it probally should be written down, that is a very important peice of information. BTW I am only trying to improve this artcile I do not mean to harm it in any way. I am trying my best to comprose in how things are written and such, but you just rewrite it anyway. I know your just trying to make the artcile better too though. Please respond to this, and Merry Christmas. Prede (talk) 05:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Your re-statement is a bit odd, partially because the link doesn't support your claim. Why this change in the first place? And of the DBGT episode, it was written as WP:OR. I won't remove that again so long as it is said in an encyclopedic tone. Merry Christmas, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I added the GT cameo info again. You can rephrase that anyway you like, that is fit for wikipedia. Here is a link to Yamacha playing baseball by the way : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkdMZ1Mfz0s. It's just a video, but it shows him playing. Maybe this scene could be described? That way it makes it clearer that he is a baseball player.Prede (talk) 04:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

I'm putting this article on hold for GA. It's very close to GA, just has a few issues. First, the web references need to be fleshed out, including author info, the title of the site, the last date it was accessed, etc. Whatever information about the source you can give, give it. Also, the last section seems a bit disjointed at the end. Rather than cramming random info at the bottom, try organizing it into prose and adding information to put it in the right context. Wrad (talk) 01:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Some editors have re-formatted the article. How is it now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I would turn the live action movies section into a list of movies he appears in with no prose. Also, the web refs are still incomplete. Wrad (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I've edited the article ... What do you think? I'll think about what to do with the movies section SSJ 5 (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a GA now :) Wrad (talk) 16:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Great :D Do you have any further advice? SSJ 5 (talk) 21:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Not particularly, just do this to more articles! Wrad (talk) 00:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, will do. Thnx for all the help. SSJ 5 (talk) 13:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dragonball Z: Elsewhere

Should this be here? Sense it's a fan made manga if it's not very well know then it probally shouldn't even be mentioned. But if it is very well known then I guess it could be kept. It just seems out of place is all. - Prede (talk) 01:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

It is well known for its great art (and among all Yamcha fans), and its author is a known deviantArt contributor. SSJ 5 (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well if you say so.... Anyone think it should be removed? I say if it is well known then it should just stay here, but if it is obscure then to remove it. - Prede (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it's good reception. Keep it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If it is good reception then why was it removed? SHould I place it back up? I think I may - Prede (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, they were unreliable sources [1]. I did not know this. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

In dealing with reception sections I find it best to use "decent" sources, even if they may be considered "unreliable". There is no reason to follow the book on this, of course the sources should still be pretty good. There hardly ever is a good relaible source for sections like these. I find nothing wrong with those sources, if you want to add that part again. My only problem with it is that if the manga is not well known then it should not be mentioned, but seems to be rather well known. Should we add it again? - Prede (talk) 04:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you going to notify User:L T Dangerous about it? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Well my reasoning is posted here. Is that not enough? - Prede (talk) 02:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess. SSJ 5 has brought back the content anyway. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you SSJ 5, sorry I didn't do it sooner. - Prede (talk) 03:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flight category

I did a revamp here and it ended up in categorizing individual Dragon Ball characters who are regular users of the flying skill. Is this category really fit for Yamucha? He doesn't utilize it quite as often as others, maybe two or three times throughout the whole series (including movies he appears in), so I figure this should be discussed. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, just watch the whole trunks+android + cell saga (also buu) and you'll see him flying a lots of times. At least as much as Tien. Also he used it against the Saibaman as well. SSJ 5 (talk) 16:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

What do you disagree with exactly? Think it was just a super speed duel with the Saibamen, not flight, and every other Z-Fighter has been floating since Dragon Ball, whereas Yamucha only shows the ability in the Trunks, Android and Cell Sagas. Now I don't recall which movie(s) he flew in, and am unsure of the Buu Saga. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I think he should remain in the catergory of characters who can fly. I am pretty sure I have seen him fly a few times. Even if he does not fly often he still flies around, so you mine as well leave him there. The main reason we don't see him fly around too much is becuase in DragonBall Z he isn't a main character anymore. That and the fact he likes driving and walking (etc.) I think. He flies at least as much as Tien does and I am sure he flew when they were looking for Cell and a few times in the android saga. - Prede (talk) 21:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, though he prefers to live a "normal life", I'm guessing he would still count as a flier. Probably did use the ability more than three times. Know what? I'll do the edit myself ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Another time he flew around was on the Snake Path or whatever when they were all dead and coming back to earth really fast. I think they were all flying then. BUT if that list is about all anime characters that are fliers shouldn't there be a lot more dbz characters there? Eh o well. - Prede (talk) 21:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, they never did hint as to how they got to Kai's planet. For all we know, it could have been a foot race, and Piccolo won it ;) As to your other concern, I have pretty much gotten to every character, though it would be nice if someone double checked. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how they got to Kai's Planet, but I remember an image of that group all flying back along Snake Path. Although it has been awhile sense I saw this episode. As for the other charcaters being added, thanks. I'll double check it in a second - Prede (talk) 02:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a fan made image you saw. Never did the series depict it or explain what actually happened, it's just anyone's guess. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

LoL then I guess I saw something a fan drew. I never did see that scene in the show, but I figured I just missed it. Your probally correct. I wonder when I saw it, and where... hmm. - Prede (talk) 01:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow , i totally forgot about this... Lord Sesshomaru, during the saibaman fight Yamucha was flying. I mean no one can stay that long in the air and not fly. This was shown during the original series when basic flying was considered a large advantage and other characters had to used ki waves to gat close to them. And to answer the other thing: He flew in the Buu saga in anime filler and when they got to the lookout (Those are which i can remember at the time). So, many times ... If you wish I can upload images ( I don't have the entire series here, only the remastered, but anywayz perhaps)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSJ 5 (talk • contribs)

When he battled the Saibaman, it was more speed action and high jumping than clear-cut flight. His bukû-jutsu was actually revealed during the Trunks Saga. And the page could use some more images. Upload away! What pics did you have in mind? The one with Yamucha's corpse would be interesting. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because Yamucha doesn't fly as much as the others doesn't mean he can't fly! I mean, since the beginning of Z, he hasn't flown much compared to the other characters, like Gohan, Vegeta and Kuririn. Here are the instances where I have seen Yamucha fly -- or as many as I can remember, anyway (haven't seen all the episodes).

Yamucha vs. Saibamen. When the Saibamen jumps into the air, Yamucha flies up and follows him. When the Saibamen leaps, Yamucha is seen to be in the air, grins, teleports above the Saibamen and fires a Kamehameha at him before landing back down on the ground. Then he is killed by the Saibamen's self-destruction technique.

Yamucha vs. Turles. Yamucha flies during the Turles movie when he is battling his henchman, at secondly when he, along with the other Z-Fighters, are holding back Turles in order for a battered Goku to buy time for the Spirit Bomb. He might've demonstrated this in the Bojack movie, but I haven't seen that for ages.

Yamucha vs. Recoome. I haven't seen this vid for a while either, but I'm sure he must've been in the air at some point when he was battling Recoome, when he defeated him.

Yamucha vs. Androids. I saw this picture on the actual Yamucha article, when Yamucha was taking Goku back home to supply him with the antidote after his defeat at the hands of #19. Yamucha is seen holding Goku around his shoulder, soaring in the air.

Yamucha vs. Olibu. After being turned into chocolate and eaten by Super Boo, Yamucha appears in an anime filler episode in the Majin Boo Saga, where he fights Olibu in the sky.

I think you see my point now. Son Gohan (talk) 10:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I had in mind one where he flies and one from a video game. But your suggestion is good. Yamcha's death could be represented through an image, as death is an often thing in Dragon Ball (but no so serious...) And as for the Saibaman, I agree it was speed action (show-offing the newfound power) but they had to fly to do it and that is my point here =D SSJ 5 (talk) 02:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

So could you include those images? If you do, make sure that they have the {{non-free use rationale}} (the bots tag fair use images which don't have these). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I also agree. This page NEEDS a few more pictures. One of him flying, his dead body, and a pic in a video game are all great suggestions. Useing all of them would be great. - Prede (talk) 03:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll post caps in next few days SSJ 5 (talk) 01:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Everyone sry about the delay ... I'm having some problems at my college. I'll post soon SSJ 5 (talk) 18:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Take your time ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup, no rush ^.^ - Prede (talk) 21:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Your still going to put up the picture(s) when you have the time right? Just wondering, no rush . - Prede (talk) 02:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The Images are ready, I'll upload them tomorrow ... Its 5 AM here so I'm off to sleep ... Hard day tomorrow ... SSJ 5 (talk) 03:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice pictures man!! Wow!! You totally outdid yourself! That defently improves this article. You did however forget to put the copyright info under one of the pictures, so I added it myself. Thanks again man! - Prede (talk) 02:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thnx man :D Glad you like it SSJ 5 (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Base Ball Again

I re-read this article and I STILL think the baseball part is worded oddly. So I made a sandbox and this is what I came up with for that part. As of now it suggestes that he isn't a baseball player, but that the creator wanted him to be one. Tell me if my new wording is good.

New:

Yamucha is shown to be a baseball player in the anime filler material for Dragon Ball Z. This was suggested by the series creator Akira Toriyama.^[1]

Current:

Series creator Akira Toriyama suggested that Yamucha would be a baseball player in anime filler material for Dragon Ball Z.^[2]

- Prede (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I like that rephrasing, go for it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok cool I'm putting that up there. Thanks ^.^ - Prede (talk) 23:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Power Levels

This is direclty from the Beckett Magazine, this information could be very useful. Perhaps we could use it in the article. It is from Toriyama himself. This is EXACLTY how it is written in the magazine, but taken out of context. It list other characters in between Yamcha multiple times.

 Yamcha's power level shortly after the fight with Raditz - 177
 Yamcha's power level during the fight with the Saibamen - 1,480

From : Brewer, Mark; Doug Kale (2002). The Best of DragonBall Z. Beverly Hills , California: Claire B. Amano, 2-6.

- Prede (talk) 21:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Where do you suggest it should go? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if we had more of them I would suggest we just made a section at the end of the artcile, or like a chart with this info on it. But sense there are only two listings, maybe we can just throw his power level in there at the point we talk about that specific scene (like in the Raditz part we throw his power level in there) in the article. - Prede (talk) 23:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe someone could throw in the power levels in the character info box. SSJ 5 (talk) 11:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a good idea SSJ 5. I'm all for that, or any of mine. But I acually like your idea best. - Prede (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

So how do we do it? SSJ 5 (talk) 02:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't quite know. Think {{Infobox animanga character}} has to be edited for this to work. You don't have any idea for a layout? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

SSJ 5, how'd you get it to work on Yamucha's box? I was trying to do the same to Shaman King characters Yoh Asakura and Hao Asakura, but it just wasn't appearing. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ses, you really need to revert you last change to the infobox template, it is completely unneeded as the filed is series specific. There are plenty of auxiliary fields to handle this kind of series specific information so they should not be added the infobox template directly. --Farix (Talk) 20:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

You need to listen to ppl when they say "discuss". I have said my reasons for reverting, your point is moot. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

You've said nothing. All you have done is engage in an edit war over a highly specialized field when an auxiliary field would have done the job. --Farix (Talk) 21:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Guess so, but please be more specific in the near future. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

WoW how did you guys add that to the infobox? I allways have problems when I try to do that... - Prede (talk) 23:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a way. I'll figure it out eventually ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I just edited the infobox, and documentation SSJ 5 (talk) 11:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Guess I'll try it myself later. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

When I think about it now ... There is a reason why Toriyama stopped giving away power levels after Freeza Saga ... SSJ 5 (talk) 15:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Maybe we should put this thing on hold.

Put what on hold? You only need to list like one or two power levels. - Prede (talk) 00:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but still I have concerns about this becoming the hot topic as it always has been ... SSJ 5 (talk) 14:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Where did you get the refernce for Yamucha having a power level of 1480 in the saiyan saga? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesusb (talk • contribs)

If you look I posted where. It's ina dbz Beckett magazine. If you want I'll post the scans I have them saved I think. - Prede (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Now that I realize it, the power levels should be cited in "ref layouting". Make sense? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are the scans. I'll post the links as I find them. - Prede (talk) 22:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/mikevamp/scan0001.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/mikevamp/scan.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/mikevamp/scan0003.jpg

Well there yah have it, proof of the power levels. At least as much proof as possible. - Prede (talk) 22:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Strange. Wikipedia's power level page which was transwikied to http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_level gave different ones. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

". It should be noted that the Daizenshu numbers are sometimes questioned, despite the overall coherence with the original series. Akira Toriyama, the series creator, did not write the Daizenshu" that sums it up for me. Mine were written/aproved by Toriyama himself, or so says the magazine. Then again they could have just printed that, but I HIGHLY doubt they would knowlingly print false information. This is a beckett magazine. - Prede (talk) 22:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

These power levels all come from the same source, the 7th Daizenshû. The difference is that the Beckett magazine got them from an english website that had mistranslated some numbers (because these were originally written with kanji).

The real PL for Goku fighting Freeza, Freeza 50%, Gokû SSJ and Freeza 100% are (according to the Daizenshû) respectively 3 millions, 60 millions, 150 millions and 120 millions, not those written in the Beckett mag. Otherwise, except these 4 numbers, all the other PL from Beckett's mag are those from the Daizenshû.Folken de Fanel (talk) 12:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I say use only the manga, anime and Daizenshū power levels. And use these pages Folken gave, as well reference that Tenshinhan is an extraterrestrial. Agreed? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

And we really need to get this cited to avoid an edit war over the "correct" power level. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The Daizenshû states his PL in action is 1770 (p 72 - by the way, this is the french page numbering). The manga does list his pre-battle power and those of Piccolo and Gohan in volume 18, but unfortunately,it's not very clear to whom the numbers are attributed (Kuririn's is either 1083 or 981). It'll require further verification.Folken de Fanel (talk) 20:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The anime revealed which power level belonged to know (this is likely one of those instances where the anime completes the manga). I vouch for that. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

You know, we don't know for sure whether these power levels are accurate, since they have never been stated in the manga or anime. Well, Yamucha's power level was 177 after the fight with Raditz, but it never tells us that his power level was 1,480 during the fight with the Saibamen. Either this is just guessing or...some other source that unknown to me. However, I am not completely dismissing it, as these power level are very observational. As for Kuririn's power level being 1083 or 981, I'm thinking it was 1083, because Piccolo's was obviously 1,220 and Kuririn was stronger than Gohan at this time. Gohan was only stronger than Kuririn when he got mad and released his latent potential, and throughout the Namek Saga and onwards, when he had finally learned to fully control his power, making him stronger than Kuririn. In the Namek Saga, I think Gohan's power level was around 1,500 because of his Saiyan genes. Son Gohan (talk) 10:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

As it has been stated ealier, these PL come from an official databook printed by the japanese publisher of the Dragon Ball manga, and for some parts Toriyama directly contributed to its redaction (though it is impossible to know if he had anything to do with these PLs). Just to show these are not random fan guesses.Folken de Fanel (talk) 13:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, I thought the Saibamen's power levels was slightly lower than Raditz's. In the Saiyan Saga article, it is/was stated the Saibamen's power level was 1,200. 1,200 was not "slightly lower" than 1,500, Raditz's supposed power level. Plus, Piccolo, who was the strongest Z-Fighter in the Saiyan Saga apart from Goku, had his power level read as 1,220 (see Dragon Ball Z, volume 2). That would mean Piccolo would be weaker than a Saibamen, and that's highly unlikely. So, Raditz's power level cannot be 1,500, therefore, the Daizenshuu is wrong about that and didn't take into account what was really said. 92.13.74.141 (talk) 11:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

This is probably a typo because in an other section, the Daizenshû states that that the Saibaimen are 1200, "which matches the power of inferior warriors like Radditz".Folken de Fanel (talk) 13:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)