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[edit] Welcome

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[edit] Ukraine portal

Hi Yakym. If you are interested, please check the Ukraine portal, particularly the "current projects and collaborations" and "Things you can do" windows. Don't forget to announce `the new articles you create at Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements board. Same applies to the Russia portal that you might be interested in as well. Ласкаво просимо! -Irpen 03:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian colonialism

In regards to Russian colonialism. [1] [2] The above links detail some examples of attempts by Russian Empire at Russification of other non-Russian population.

Also Polish and Lithuanian nobles had their property confiscated and given to settled ethnic Russians. [3] The confiscated estates were awarded to Russian officials. Every opportunity was used to dispossess Polish landowners front tbeir homesteads. Over eight hundred families were forced to sell their estates and all of them went to Russians, as, by the ukase of the Tsar proclaimed in 1865 only Russians had the right to buy land in Lithuania and Ruthenia. As long as Russian rule lasted the Poles could not acquire land in two sections of the former Polish Republic The impoverished Polish nobles who did not own any real estate were ordered to leave the country and were forcibly settled in Russia.

--Molobo 14:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Molobo, don't spread your flaming Russophobia to more pages. As explained at article's talk, Russification is a valid issue all right but has nothing to do with colonization. If anyone ever colonized Ukraine, it was your homeland as said directly even in Britannica. --Irpen 19:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Sweden colonised Ukraine ? --Molobo 22:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No, Poland did. --Irpen 22:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

If anyone ever colonized Ukraine, it was your homeland as said directly even in Britannica. Depends what Brittanica means by colonised and what you mean. Your allegations that Russian occupation of Ukrainians was beneficial because in XIX century towns developed is rather unproven-the world as a whole developed in XIX century as a result of Industrial Revolution. Anyway Russia engaged in colonial practice-it aimed at destroying of national identity, settled ethnic Russians as a ruling class, and exploited economically areas it conquered-as was the case with Polish territory under Russian Partitions which faced severe economic sanctions after it became economical rival to interests of main Russian provinces. --Molobo 22:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC) :No, Poland did. Ah, good then that Stalin liberated Ukrainians eh ? --Molobo 22:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Molobo, I said nothing about Russia being beneficial for Ukraine and stuff. I made a narrow statement that the term Colonization is not applicable to the Russian policies in Ukraine. There was oppression, assimilation and a couple of other things. The term Colonization, however, is wrong. Destroying of national indentity, is assimilation and not colonization. Take your russophobia elsewhere or better shut it. --Irpen 23:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Presenting scholary sources about Russian colonisation of Lithuania, Ukraine and Poland is russophobia Irpen ? Why, British colonisation of India is far more lighter then Russian colonisation of those areas for example. --Molobo 23:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Colonialism is the extension of a nation's sovereignty over territory and people outside its own boundaries, often to facilitate economic domination over their resources, labor, and markets. The term also refers to a set of beliefs used to legitimize or promote this system, especially the belief that the mores of the colonizer are superior to those of the colonized. A perfect description of Russian colonisation of Poland-especially "the belief that the mores of the coloniser are superior to those of the colonized", since Catholic Westernised Poland was viewed as something worse then Orthodox Russia resisting western influences. --Molobo 23:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:DFTT. --Irpen 23:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

In other words you have no arguments to support your Russophilic POV. --Molobo 23:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No, Molobo. I simply regret braking my pledge on following the WP:DFTT#Dealing with pestering and misplaced criticism rule. --Irpen 04:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

So it is only possible for Poland to be a colonizer of Ukraine, and not Russia? --Yakym 16:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Yakym, please do not misstate what I said. Everything is "possible". The question is what was really happening and how is it called not by you, me or even a Russophobe Molobo, but by established scholars. In the mainstream view, the Russian policies towards Ukraine, with all their bad, were not called specifically "colonization". OTOH, mainstream sources do call the Polish policies "colonization" and I gave a ref to EB, which is as mainstream as you can get. In no way this denies the eternal striving of Russia to dominate and, if necessary, subjugate, Ukraine. But "Colonization" is simply a wrong word. There are other bad words to use and we have them in "Russification" article (assimilation), "Ukrainian language" article (suppression) and many others. If there are scholars who use the term colonization, they are rare AFAIK. Now if you claim the applicability of the term "Colonization", the article smells with original research in addition to being POV. I will label it as such until you provide any quotes from respected scholars that use the specific term "Colonialism" in this context. Again, I am not saying that the Russian policies were beneficial for Ukraine. This is a side and irrelevant issue. My point is that you choose to apply the wrong term to describe them. --Irpen 23:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you plan to attend to the issues with the article? --Irpen 03:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayor

Thanks for updating several articles with the results of the Kiev Mayoral elections. It prompted ne to create an ...-elect stub. Please use it if you are going to update the articles further as the news come. --Irpen 03:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian Colonialism

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Russian Colonialism, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Irpen 03:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan WikiProject

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[edit] University of Saskatchewan Celebrate the Anniversary

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[edit] Move to Kyiv

Hello,

I am trying to change the name of the page Kiev to Kyiv. Looking through the archives, I saw that you had contributed to a similar discussion in the past.

The current discussion is happening at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiev/naming

Please let us know what you think.

Thanks,

Horlo 02:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)