Talk:Xtube

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Pages describing the mere existence of xtube.com have been repeatedly deleted from wikipedia, for IMO nefarious, bogus, and petty reasons. I was unable to find a more comprehensive source from past articles, so I created a new small article for others to build on.
From what I can see here's how the deletions have gone down in the past: A given user thinks that the mere existence of xtube should be censored. They cite an arcane or non-applicable highly technical wikipedia rule for the deletion. No one has time to respond since we're all busy with our real lives. The deletion goes through.

Next someone like me notices that xtube is a valid independent site, and that it's quite different in scope from many other sites, and that it's it's own site operated by a unique company and a unique set of individuals. We wonder why the site isn't on wikipedia. We add it. Then the more established & committed censors strike again. And again. And again. And so on.

So anyway, you shouldn't delete an entry for a site that actually exists for hell sakes! Yes maybe there have been longer entries for the site in the past. But when people put a lot of work into writing up articles, and when a dedicated censorer comes along with arcane non-applicable rules in his bag which he uses to strike down & eliminate from the global consciousness present at wikipedia - when such censoring people strike again and again, one can become disheartened.

But we are here - the people who believe in honesty. Leave this site up. If you think the article needs cleaning, then post that message, but for hell sakes don't delete it. Don't deface & degrade the value of this whole site by inappropriate actions that seek to censor from public knowledge info about web sites that actually exist.

To me the site is of value. Leave it's description on.

Sincerely,
cbean

p.s. An image showing deletions of the xtube entry can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xtube_wiki_repeated_deletion_censorship_-10-30-07.JPG —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbean (talk • contribs)

Or, one can simply view the deletion log... SQLQuery me! 08:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Cbean: The problem is not whether Xtube exists, but whether it is notable. If you are having trouble finding sources that describe Xtube in a neutral POV and that provide useful information that meets Wikipedia's content policies, then there is a good chance that no such material exists, and thus the site does not meet WP's requirements for encyclopedic content. It appears that's the primary reason this article has been deleted multiple times before - CSD A7 states that an article that fails to assert its notability may be speedily deleted. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Try WP:DRV ??anetode?? 17:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

From cbean: Added many references to notability. Wrote a more comprehensive article. Saved the source this time so that it can be more easily restored if it's deleted again. I have nothing whatsoever to do with xtube.com by the way. I'm not an owner nor do I make money off of the site. I'm a general advocate of all such sites, including pornotube, youporn, and redtube also. I'd be up for an advertisement free site where ads are banned. But until that can happen, using these sites with ads on them is of value. For example I have a gay nephew who derives value from such sites. And I as a straight man who was raised in the sexually repressive culture of Mormonism, and who felt he was abused by that culture - I naturally find such sites of value. I don't like flakiness nor crassness - and home-grown "porn" tends to have less of these attributes. And I'm all for having a real life too aside from staring at a computer screen. But staring at a screen can be a means to and end and can prompt & can facilitate people getting off their butts and improving the quality of their lives. - cbean —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbean (talk • contribs)