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Category:Esperantists

The above cat is up for deletion review. Input welcomed. See Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007 September 4#Category:Esperantists here for the discusion. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

template

Hi. yes I (may) need template like {{cite-book}} but with a few extra sub fields such as "sub-book" (the name of a book contained in a given volume - if that makes any sense)

I'm looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book&action=edit and I guess that I can guess enough to make my own variant..

However some info on the syntax would be useful. If you have such infomation could you post on the ref desk..87.102.5.137 16:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Also another user has expressed an interest in being able to (if I've understood correctly)

a. Create an link in the reference which when pressed

i. Sends the information from certain fields to a external site/program which converts that data into equivalent forms for different editions of a book ie use the data in the fields in the reference, send it to an external site and produce a list of page numbers for different editions.

ii Opens that site.

(ie a lot like sending the information in the fields in the reference to a search engine)

I haven't yet reached a consensus as to the exact stuff that will be needed with the other users..87.102.5.137 17:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Killer Tomatoes!

I enjoyed your learned response on the Day of the Tomatoes, Xn4. Do you have a degree in history? I hope you do not mind me asking. Clio the Muse 03:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Clio. Thanks for your words of kind praise for my tomatoes. And of course I don't mind you asking. The answer's No, on the face of it my rap was modern languages. Xn4 21:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

List of notable Old . . .

Hey Xn4, I noticed you have done a lot of edits to these alumni list articles, and that they have been created with "notable" in the title. Per the WP manual of style guidelines for lists (found at WP:MOSLIST), the list titles should not contain "notable" or similar qualifiers: those qualifiers are assumed. As a result, I will be moving all of these articles to the similar name that does not contain "notable," and if you could help me out, I would definitely apprecaite it - its a big job. At a minimum, could I ask that, per the guideline, you not use "notable" or "famous" or any other similar qualifier in the title of any future list articles your create? And spread the word on this guideline to others? Thanks! UnitedStatesian 03:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, UnitedStatesian. With all due respect, I think this is a matter for discussion. Wikipedia:Naming conventions: Lists says "Convention: Put a list of Xs as list of Xs, rather than Xs, famous Xs, listing of important Xs, list of noted Xs, list of all Xs, etc. Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) aims to be more restrictive, but then what you call 'alumni list articles' are not 'stand alone lists'. The following is at WikiProject Schools:Separate alumni pages: "It is not necessary to include "notable" in the article title. As everything on Wikipedia needs to adhere to Wikipedia:Notability (people) having "notable" in the title is redundant." The guidance then gives a link to List of notable Old Gowers, without adverse comment on it. The problem with these lists is that most 'alumni' (a word the Americans use much more than the British) are not notable, and users are inclined to clutter the lists up with red links to non-notable people who will never have an article. So, while it isn't necessary to include 'notable', it's useful, to remind everyone that these are not all-embracing lists. As this is an area I work on and it seems you don't, would you please propose your changes at the WikiProject Schools Talk page first and establish a consensus? I shall take part in that discussion, if there is one.

By the way, when you write "At a minimum, could I ask that...", can you please clarify what authority you are speaking with? Xn4 17:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I have opened the talk topic you requested at WikiProject Schools Talk page, and look forward to the disscussion. In terms of authority, I have none other than that of a fellow WP editor - I thought we could make requests of each other, and see that you belelve the same (since you made a request of me). Is "would you please" more polite language than "could I ask that you"? UnitedStatesian 15:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Given the status of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists, I believe we have consensus around the omission of "notable" (and similar) from list names, combined with the inclusion of "notable" in the lead section of the list article. As a I result, I am going to resume my article moves to continue to increase the consistency in list article naming, and add "notable" to the lead section where I see that it is missing. UnitedStatesian 14:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Reading Gaol

When I was a child, back somewhere just shy of the Paleolithic Era, I used to think that "Reading Gaol" -and I did know about "gaol" and "jail" even having been born (and still live) in the colonies- would be a wonderful place to be incarcerated. I still remember my father's laugh when I asked him if he thought it had children's books. A sensible deletion, I think. Bielle 03:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess these are the New England colonies? (That, indeed, is where the city we were talking about is that I haven't ever visited.)

For he who lives more lives than one

More deaths than one must die.

Xn4 03:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hero of Old England!

		Hero of Old England
		I'd simply love to set up a Hero of Old England medal along the lines of Hero of the Soviet Union, but I suppose it would be greeted by all sorts of objections! Anyway, here is my personal order of England, awarded to you, Xn4, for being sober, well-read and informative; for having the same love of public/independent schools that I do; for admiring George Orwell, prejudices and all; and, most important, for being like me! ♥ Clio the Muse 23:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

My word, now there's a real danger of me singing in the bath, Clio! You're brighter than I am, but together we defy the Bolshevik and barbarian hordes of unteachable monsters.

Xn4 01:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, hero! --Dweller 09:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Subst:'ing {{User:TomasBat/Welcome}}

Hi Xn4. Just a friendly reminder: Don't forgot to Subst {{User:TomasBat/Welcome}} when adding it to user talk pages, by adding subst: to it. Cheers and happy editing, ♠TomasBat 02:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, TomasBat. I've added the 'subst:' to the memo on my Sandbox page. regards, Xn4 02:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Driver's license saga

Interestingly enough, I have contacted the both Arkansas & Texas's central driver control office, my local DC office (in Arkansas) and a Texas state trooper who works in their driver control division. I've pretty much gotten 4 different answers. I have an apointment to meet a lawyer, but I suspect he will not know. Additionally I have read the DC websites of both states, and niehter provide an adaqute answer. XM 07:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. My comment was "Can't you find a suitable lawyer to advise you, XM? If you find the right person, you'll know where you stand in half an hour". The critical thing about getting any legal advice is to find the right person. The law is vast, and most lawyers know something worth knowing about a few small areas of it (family law, recovering debts, bankruptcy, conveyancing, trusts, etc.) and also try to cover far more ground than they know anything about. When you get into specialist areas, most people find themselves paying a generalist to learn on the job, which is why you foresee "I suspect he will not know". Xn4 14:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Jakofcic

Thank you for your message. This does leave me with a problem from a personal point of view, as to whether I have moved this to the wrong place. If you feel that from a linguistic point of view, Jakofcic's article is in the wrong place, please feel free to move it accordingly - while cricket is a strong subject of mine, Slovenian certainly is not!

As for the other names, would I be right in saying that the following are correct?

Borut Čegovnik
Boštjan Čegovnik
Damir Alidzanović

Thank you for clarifying this. Bobo . 04:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

They are all right, except that you want Alidžanović. Xn4 04:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article André Antoine Bernard, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

M.K. 12:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, M.K. Xn4 17:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

I'm sorry... I guess I was just going on autopilot. Thank you for your note. I'll be sure to check their contributions from now on. Doodle-doo Ħ 12:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks, Doodledoo! Xn4 21:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to trouble you. Oh, you didn't, not at all. Thank you. Doodle-doo Ħ 21:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sienna Guillory article

I'm really pleased to see someone making constructive edits to the article and it is truly appreciated. As you probably already know, I've been going through and attempting to get the Sienna Guillory article to Good Article Status, and it is currently under review. The issue at hand here, is that because Ms. Guillory is an English actress, her article should be written using British English. I'm American, and have no real knowledge beyond color --> colour... So, you see the problem here. I've tried to fix a few things, but would really appreciate your help in changing the spellings to British English where neccissary. -Lindsey8417 03:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'd noticed. I'll come back to it. regards, Xn4 03:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Would you be able to get onto this soon and message me when you are done? I'd really like to get this review out of the way. Thanks. - Shudde ^talk 02:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe I've finished. See my messages to Lindsey8417 here. regards, Xn4 09:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Millfield

There's a Tony Adams at Millfield#Famous Parents which leads to a disambig. Do you know which one it is? (I'm fixing dab links) --Brewcrewer 20:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't. Xn4 20:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Please Explain

I still don't understand why CO and Cyanide ,both being isoelctronic and strong ligands, had to adopt two different pathways for poisoning the human body?Why doesn't CO poison the human body the same way Cyanide does or the other way round?Could you please explain my query? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curieous (talk • contribs) 04:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't add anything to Cyanide: Mechanism of toxicity, Carbon monoxide poisoning and the answers at Cyanide vs. CO. Xn4 10:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request

194.72.162.199 is my IP address (as stated at User:194.72.162.199, which links to me as User:Xn4) but none of the recent edits credited to 194.72.162.199, such as those to Shannon Reed and Judge Judy, is by me, and I have never heard of FlubClub or EverybodyHatesCh. I am on a network and may have a shared IP address, but I don't understand what this has got to do with me. Xn4 20:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Autoblock of 194.72.162.199 lifted. Sorry for the inconvenience. Request handled by: Sam Blacketer 21:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Sam. I have amended the page at User:194.72.162.199 to read "194.72.162.199 is a shared IP address." Xn4 21:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Second request

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Autoblock of 194.72.162.199 lifted or expired. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused Request handled by: SQL^{(Query Me!)} 12:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see the section Unblock request above. Xn4 12:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I have now left this message at User talk:Caribbean H.Q. -

Please be aware that FlubClub (talk · contribs) and any related sockpuppets have nothing to do with me. I was automatically blocked yesterday, apparently because I have a shared IP address, and after being unblocked I edited the page at User:194.72.162.199 to read "194.72.162.199 is a shared IP address." Despite that, I was automatically re-blocked again just now. If this goes on, is there someone I can complain to, please? Xn4 12:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just saw this message. We (admins) have no way of seeing your IP address, nor, the IP of any user (Unless we have Checkuser permissions, which only a handful of us do.). If someone else is using the same IP as you (Over at the county hall?), and, they get blocked, and the blocking admin leaves the Autoblock enabled, anyone else from the same IP will get blocked as well. We still can't see the IP, and, wouldn't know if it will have any collateral damage or not. Anyhow, I hope that clears some of this up for you. SQL^{(Query Me!)} 19:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks, then I guess I'll ask Caribbean H.Q. not to leave the Autoblock enabled. Xn4 19:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, I'll try to keep an eye on this page, in case you wind up autoblocked again.SQL^{(Query Me!)} 19:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Xn4, I have just posted this on Carribean H.Q.s page -

I've now been unblocked. Thanks Xn4 for your comments here. I never have and never was anything to do with anyone else, it really was a coincidence (however big a coincidence one may think) that I happened to edit soon after Maleman said he was coming back. I am concerned that John Reaves could simply block my talk page without giving me a chance to respond, looking at his user page I believe he shouldn't have that sort of power, perhaps that's what it's all about for him. I wouldn't know how to complain about this, as I can't really understand the complaints process, it was all I could do to find the right link to try and get this sorted without being able to ask for help on my talk page. I hope I won't be blocked again, I only ever changed typos, I never have and never would change actual information as I would not consider myself more knowledgeable than someone else to do that, but I do know how to spell and where capital letters should be. Even though I'm unblocked, as you can see on my talk page I will still be being monitored for any 'disruptive' edits I may make, even though I've never made any, unless changing a spelling error is disruptive! I can only assume Xn4 that we work at the same place, and I apologize for the inconvenience of you being blocked because of this, although I hope you agree that this was completely out of my control and I have done all I could with limited resources to try and rectify it. I don't know much about technical stuff or IP addresses, does all this mean that Maleman has the same IP address as me or something, does it mean he works at the same place, seeing as all this started when I edited at work. I've been at home for the last week so surely my IP address must now be different to the work one? Anyway, I hope all this is over and done with now, all I ever wanted to do was help in my sad little way.FlubClub 12:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, FlubClub, I'll reply on your talk page. Xn4 14:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Splitting Durham School page and List of Old Dunelmians

I'm not sure if you are the person who has edited i.e divided Durham School from Old Dunelmians - if so, then thank you. I have researched and enetered most of the information on this site and thought that it was beginning to look a little messy. I shall continue to edit it in it's current format - still lots of work to do. The enries for WW1 come from a book that was commissioned by the school - no copyright issues. (If you did not do it then please ignore this message). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony allen 1 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Tony, yes, I created a separate page on 26 September 2007. As you'll see, I've also done some work on the wikilinks in the list and on tidying it up. It's certainly got a lot of names in it! Xn4 16:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Renaming ... to Independent (senior) & ... (preparatory)

In Template:Derbyshire Schools you recently split the Independent group into 'Independent (senior)' & 'Independent (preparatory)' per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools.

Would you provide a better pointer to the discussion please (ideally, directly to the sub-heading it comes under).

Many thanks. 91.104.190.211 12:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

No trouble, it's here. Xn4 17:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that.

It's not clear from the discussions there that consensus was reached. Two interrelated issues were discussed:

'Independent' as a single NavBox group versus 'Independent (senior)' and 'Independent (preparatory)'.
The danger that the NavBox could become unmanageably large.

Following your change to Template:Derbyshire Schools we have just three schools in the group 'Independent (preparatory)', of which two (Ockbrook and Repton) appear also in the group 'Independent (senior)'. At first glance this duplication seems to be increasing the likelihood of unmanageability for very little benefit.

The TES doubtless has good reasons for organising its data that way, but it is not obvious that those reasons (whatever they may be) automatically hold good for the Template:Derbyshire Schools NavBox. Are you sure it is really the right way to go? -Arb. 14:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I did think we had a consensus about the preparatory-senior split, despite some objections to the inclusion of any prep schools at all. So far, no one has minded that split in other similar templates, and I see quite a good parallel between the TES approach and finding a suitable one here. I also see the difficulty for Ockbrook, which fitted neatly into a group called simply Independent. (Actually, Repton doesn't appear in two groups, as there's a separate article for Repton Preparatory School.) We can always have some flexibility, where needed. Would you like a third group in Template:Derbyshire Schools called Independent? These things are always open for discussion, and if you'd rather keep the independent schools-public schools split you could perhaps start a new thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools. The greatest problem, I think, is that there isn't any more a clear definition of what is and what isn't a public school. Xn4 15:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Having now understood better why you made the change it seems that, on balance, it's best to leave things as they are. -Arb. 15:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

St Faith's School

Hey, good work on the article. I have just expanded it, and wondered if you would be able just to read over it again to spot any errors I have made? (I have checked it, but I normally mis something. I am dyslexic and read what I think it says, not what is actuality writeen :P). It would be great if you could leave a message on my talk page to let me know your done. Thanks, Tiddly-Tom 14:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. regards, Xn4 20:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, English is not my fortay (<-- you might be able to tell by the spelling of the word, even my spell check does not understand:P). You don't happen to know how to fix the coordinates do you? When you click on them and click on the link to something like Google maps, it gets it wrong. I used Google earth to get them earlier today, could you take a look? Thanks again, Tiddly-Tom 20:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It's all right, the coordinates aren't supposed to display in the infobox, but at the top of the article: see the instructions at Infobox UK school. I also had some trouble with the infobox format, so I've added the coordinates in the {{coor dms}} template. Xn4 21:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Another large batch of great edits today, keep it up! I noticed you put it as a prep school. I notice that in the last few years the school has been phasing out the references to being a prep school, an example is that they have removed it from their school sign. Another reason why it should not been referred to as a prep school is the fact that in recent years very low numbers of pupils have sat common entrance, an exam that most 'prep' school pupils sit. Very few pupils go on to official public schools (I am pretty sure that The Leys is not one). It is just one term I am a stickler for :P Great edits though, Tiddly-Tom 23:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Tom. It's odd, then, that the lowest classes are still called the pre-prep school ! And all of the main continuation schools listed here (The Leys, The Perse and Oundle), and most of the others, are fed by prep schools. St Faith's looks very like a prep school to me. If we take that out, we'll need to amend the article on The Leys, which mentions "its associated prep school, St Faith's". Xn4 00:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Out of the schools you mention, only Oundle describes its self, in its article, as public. Also, I can confirm that the table has at least some of its figures wrong, and misses out at least one school... Tiddly-Tom 09:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

St Faith's is a member of the Incorporated Association of Preparatory Schools (IAPS). And I notice it "came joint 178th in the Times Online Top 250 Prep Schools". I think the 'public school' thing is a bit of a red herring. The vast majority of independent secondary schools don't use that term, nowadays. Xn4 13:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Good points, seems like we should keep it in then ;) Keep up the good work :) Tiddly-Tom 17:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Derby old boy on main page

Firstly thanks for updating my award to note my year of membership. I appreciated the thought. I though you may be interested to know that a (small) picture of a Derby School old boy will be on the main page i the next 12 hours or so. Alleyne FitzHerbert is the lead DYK. I think I have excelled myself here ..... another Derby story soncerning my home village od Weston on Trent is in the same bunch,.. Victuallers 11:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well done, Victuallers! I'll copy this to the Talk:Derby School page. Xn4 21:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Medaglia d'Argento al Valor Militare and Category:Recipients of the Medaglia d'oro al Valor Militare

Feel free to move them. I would appreciate if the links will still work afterwards.MisterBee1966 10:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, MisterBee. All done, with links redirected. I've also created a stub for Gold Medal of Military Valor. Xn4 16:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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