User talk:Xenocidic/wikiadopt/Prom3th3an

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The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

As of June 1, 2008, Prom3th3an has graduated from the adoption program and moved on to admin coaching. xenocidic (talk) 06:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Adoption subpage

This is your transcluded adoption subpage (Feel free to move it wherever you like, by using the {{User talk:Xenocidic/wikiadopt/Prom3th3an}} code. Use the "edit this subpage" to add to it, and for quicker response, use the "advise xenocidic of changes..." to let me know when you update it. I'll also update you here when I update the subpage. Looking forward to working with you, xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 12:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi,

I recently signed myself up for adoption, i looked at your adoptor listing and it said you an avid video gamer (this i like).

So Xenocidic, Have you got room to mentor another wiki user? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prom3th3an (talk • contribs) 12:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to. I'll prepare an adoption subpage for you and transclude it to your talk page. This way we can keep all discussion centralized. Don't forget to sign your posts with ~~~~ =). Feel free to ask any questions you have, big or small. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 12:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, One day i hope to become a wikiadmin (oneday lol) I appreciate you taking the time for all this. Prom3th3an (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. One thing I would suggest right off the bat is to always use edit summaries, even when editing your own userspace or replying on a talk page. (Simple summaries like "re" or "copyedit" are fine, but just use something). There's a setting in preferences that you can set to remind you to use edit summaries (Preferences → Editing → Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary). xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 12:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I just enabled the reminder, i keep forgetting about edit summeries and it makes my count look bad :) Prom3th3an (talk) 13:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Co-adoption by Steve Crossin

Hmm, have you asked your current adopter? I have a rather specific adoption program. Perhaps you should ask them? Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 12:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm yes perhaps i should check first, i woulde be interested to see what program (if any) he has instore for me or weather he is a FAQ. Im now using huggle, its great :-) Prom3th3an (talk) 12:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a specific adoption program at the moment, I more act as a sounding board for any questions adoptees may have. I don't mind if Steve acts as co-adopter. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 12:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I have a rather specific adoption program. It's quite structured, and I find it's been useful. Thoughts on that? Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 12:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if you're asking me - it looks great. I just don't have the time to put something like that together =) xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 12:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I've given up replying cause all i get is edit conflicts cause you 2 are yacking like old friends :P Basically i'd love the oppurtunity to learn from both of you, that way i get the best sounding board and adoption program Prom3th3an (talk) 12:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's fine by me, if it's fine by your adopter. Please note, I won't be availible much in about a month, as I'll probably have an RFA around then. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 13:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

/me pokes Xenocidic for an answer :p Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 13:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

And, no need to place {{talkback}} on my page. Your page is watchlisted. I'll know when you have replied :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 13:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

what do you think of the new talkpage etc? Prom3th3an (talk) 12:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks nice, but I would say lighten the background a bit, and expand the TOC by default (personal preference). xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 13:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

What about now? Prom3th3an (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Much better. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 13:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Steave please read the message properly lol :-P "I don't mind if Steve acts as co-adopter. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 12:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC) "

Heh, OK. Have a look through my lessons then. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 13:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Lesson number 1, when all else fails, try this lol[1] Prom3th3an (talk) 13:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Erm, things like that, I personally wouldn't advise anyone to do, at all. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 13:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

erm yes im well aware of that, though it needed to be said and if i beleived there was an assocaited risk i woudnt have done it lol :) Prom3th3an (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I think Steve's point is that if you one day wish to become a wikiadmin, you need to exercise the utmost civility and show that you are mature (many RFA participants can be somewhat age-ist, so you need to really keep your nose clean). xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 13:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec)

Indeed, but it's not just about the RfA. Me personally, things like that, I just can't tolerate at all. Incivility, such as that, I just find really poor behaviour. We strive on Wikipedia to be civil, even when others are not. Two wrongs don't make a right. Also, you really should remove the message at the top of your talk page, the hidden "warning" to vandals. You're just feeding them beans :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 13:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Okey perhaps i shoudnt have done that....... mmmmm lesson number 1 - The social niceties must be observed.

Incase you havnt guessed, im more of the RickK sort, respect is earned not given. "There is a fatal flaw in the system. Vandals, trolls and malactors are given respect, whereas those who are here to actually create an encyclopedia, and to do meaningful work, are slapped in the face and not given the support needed to do the work they need to do." RickK

Saw your edit, im just dealing with an issue right now. And Rick said those nearly 3 years ago :). Things have changed. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 14:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Huggle and vandal fighting

Huggle is an excellent and powerful tool, but I would advise accuracy over quantity - unless it is absolutely clear that the edit is vandalism, you should be cautious about using Huggle to revert it - as it uses the native rollback function and if you use native rollback on something that is not clear vandalism you risk losing the permission to use native rollback. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 14:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so was i out of line? Prom3th3an (talk) 14:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Using native rollback to rollback that talk page edit may been unwise - especially because it essentially changed what someone said. I wouldn't say right out of line, but as you've seen, sometimes it's best to focus your efforts on clear-cut cases of vandalism. Two other things, 1) remember to rise above... comments like this could come back to haunt you one day (I see you already deleted it, so that's good). 2) edit summaries - I see you're using them, but you're using summaries like "-" , while this is ok for your own user space, make sure to use a more descriptive summary elsewhere (for example "update ec" would have been more appropriate here). I would even advise descriptive summaries for your userspace, one day you might want to track back to see where you made a particular change and you'll be hard pressed to do so. "re" is fine for talk page replies. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 14:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

lol, i didnt say that, honest ;-), i thought i would have got to it before anyone else did.......seems i was wrong. Yes ive been a bit lazy in my summeries, something to improve on. No you dont have to msg me when you update, huggle tells me :) Prom3th3an (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

k, I won't bother updating you then. as far as edit summaries - I don't know if IE does this, but Firefox saves edit summaries so that you can just type a few letters and then select a previously used edit summary... highly reccomended if you're still using IE. http://www.mozilla.com . cheers, xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 14:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Editcountitis

Don't fall victim to it =). And don't forget - descriptive edit summaries when editing outside your own userspace. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 14:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for bringing editcountitis to my attention, I was brain washed !!!!! lol nah seriously though i was getting a bit obsessed with it. from now on ill leave it alone :-) What do you think are good benchmarks to become an admin, at present im setting goals to become an admin. So far it will be around Nov 08 that ill nominate. You can see my current list of self imposed requirements in my "Log" page on my nav bar. As for edit summeries im getting better am i not :) PS: good luck with your admin application, you can coach me to :P Prom3th3an (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Those are certainly admirable goals, but keep in mind that succeeding at RfA is not just having a series of checkmarks next to an arbitrary number of x-space edits, but a mindset of being committed to the improvement of the encyclopedia. More importantly, it involves earning the trust of the community. The first (a desire to improve the encyclopedia) I think you already have, but the second can only be achieved by internalizing this mantra (who I quote from my would-be admin coach): Civility, Maturity, and Responsibility. Also, keep in mind that 500 quality, article-building edits to the mainspace will be viewed more favorably than 10,000 huggle-automated vandal reversions (not that vandal-fighting is not important work - it is - but a major concern at RfA is that a user requesting tools which include the ability to tear down the encyclopedia has not done enough building it up). Thank you for your words of support on my RFA =). xenocidic (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

What Wiki policies, guidelines etc should i know back to front Prom3th3an (talk) 00:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, the best thing to do would be keep an eye on WP:RFA. Look at what most users are questioned about (The 'optional questions') and how they respond. You could also read through new admin school, and look through some admin coaching pages of people who are currently on admin coaching. xenocidic (talk) 02:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

See my latest creation WP:BSI Prom3th3an (talk) 13:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh... It's got promise (and it's definitely out there, I've seen some people that suffer from it) but it needs work. Since we're already in the WP space, we'll work on it there, but in the future humour pages should be prepared in your sandbox until they're really well fleshed out. Let's get some pictures in there with captions. I've been working on a humour page as well, I think you'll like it =). xenocidic (talk) 13:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Now i know what the sand box is for lulz :-) I'm supprised that no one has written about barnstaritis before. Pictures....mmmm Prom3th3an (talk) 14:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I added pictures that help get the point across, do you use msn? Prom3th3an (talk) 14:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

← Nope, no MSN. Those floating elements should not be used outside the userspace, consider moving them further down and trying to add a caption. You might also consider using something like this: [[Image:Loco2.jpg|thumbnail|200px|left|A user suffering from Strain B who has just received another barnstar.]]

A user suffering from Strain B who has just received another barnstar.

But let's remember, while humour pages are good for a laugh, don't put too much time or effort into them. Remember we're here to build an encyclopedia. xenocidic (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Graduation

Prom3th3an, since it seems you've secured yourself an admin coach, which is really just like a higher-level and focused form of adoption, would it make sense to consider you at this time, a "graduate" of WP:AAU, and archive your adoption subpage? I've no problem continuing as your adopter if you so desire, but I'm not sure if it would make sense. My door would of course remain open for any future queries you may have. xenocidic (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that every action has a consequence and by this I mean when I requested admincoaching, I forgot to think twice about my loosing my adoption (as would be appropriate) Ah well, As you pointed out the adoption has served its purpose and is no longer appropriate due to the superior admin coaching. Which is a shame really cause its nice to be adopted :P. But know this, I aint going anywhere without giving you a little gift of appreciation for your time and efforts

Xenocidic is a BESTEST BEST FRIEND of Prom3th3an.

Thanks again Prom3th3an (talk) 02:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and I appreciate that. Don't worry, I'm not hurt or offended by you seeking admin coaching. At the risk of getting ahead of myself, should my RFA be successful, I would be pleased to serve as an "assistant coach" (I won't say co-coach because I'd be a "green" admin, so to speak) if Bugbear didn't mind.

As for the adoption. Even though we've only been working together for a very short time, I've already seen improvements in the way you approach your wiki contributions and how you handle your interactions with other users. Remember these three words Civility, Maturity, Responsibility, they will help you attain your goal.

Congratulations, you've earned the right to display this userbox {{AdopteeGrad|Xenocidic}} -