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[edit] Suggestions for improving the article

Screenshots anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Int19h (talk • contribs) 09:36, 2004 May 30

[edit] Tutorials

Are there any good "Introduction to Xcode"-type tutorials out there? It would be helpful for this article to provide links to them, so that beginning users can learn how to compile simple projects in Xcode. I came here looking for that kind of information, and was disappointed. GPS Pilot 00:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needs expansion

This article needs a great deal of expansion and should be tagged appropriately. It isn't clear to me how to tag it, though; I feel it's already beyond a stub. -- Steven Fisher 22:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mac OS X 10.5 / Xcode 3.0

I'm not sure Mac OS X 10.5 and Xcode 3 should be listed in the infobox, since this software isn't released yet. -- Steven Fisher 05:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The infobox_software template has fields that we can set for a "preview release"; I've filled those out. Hopefully that will reduce the ambiguity of 3.0 a little bit... -/- Warren 07:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Front end vs. include

The phrasing "Xcode is a front-end for GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)" implies a 1:1 relationship. Includes means contains, which is certainly true of Xcode - the Xcode install includes gcc. -- Steven Fisher 01:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The Xcode install, yes, but Xcode itself, no, imho. Xcode doesn't include gcc more than it includes Interface Builder, gdb, or documentation. gcc still runs without problem if Xcode is removed. But whatever... Engelec 20:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

What exactly do you think "include" means? Please go look up "include" in a dictionary. Thanks. -- Steven Fisher 15:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I think exactly the same as the New Oxford American Dictionary: comprise or contain as part of a whole. Xcode.app doesn't include gcc (I've just checked with find even if I knew it already), I bet it doesn't need it, and gcc definitively doesn't need Xcode. And while I'm at it, I don't subscribe to the 1:1 relationship of front-end/back-end. Mathematica, for instance, has a front-end for MathKernel, but MathKernel is also used without this front-end in products such as webMathematica. And ddd is one of many front-ends for gdb, according to ddd home page.Engelec 23:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Try gcc before and after the Xcode install. Thus, included. -- Steven Fisher 23:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, then if "Xcode" means the whole development tool suite installed with the Xcode package, which is debatable if you read Apple documentation, Xcode also includes Interface Builder. My first reply above wasn't that wrong.Engelec 00:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh! I see where you're coming from. I think, then, that the intro sentence needs updating (Xcode is the IDE or the name of the developer tools package), and the includes needs to be reworded as well. -- Steven Fisher 05:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, this is not ideal, but I think it is a step in the right direction at least. What do you think? - Steven Fisher 05:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It's fine by me, thanks. Sorry for not having been clearer from the start.Engelec 09:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Off topic, but...

I'd be interested in any comments/edits to User:Maury Markowitz/ObjC wishlist. Thanks! Maury 14:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samba's distcc?

I know distcc is a separate project, by I can't find any evidence that it belongs to Samba (as opposed to just being hosted there at some point in the past). Can someone provide some? -- Steven Fisher 21:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Found it. distcc.c contains a notice indicating copyright is held by Martin Pool, not Samba. -- Steven Fisher 21:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History

I don't like the way the history article is a See Also. It seems it should be an expansion of a section here. I've been considering moving some of the historical data (such as the origins of Xcode as Developer Tools/Project Builder and NeXT) and some of the dated information into a History of Xcode section. Does it really matter for the lead, for instance, that Xcode 2.1 was the first version to support Intel, compared to Xcode supporting Intel? What do you think? -- Steven Fisher 16:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I decided to do it and see what it looked like. I think it's better now. I removed most of the dates and mentioned the features as present; it isn't going to matter to most people exactly when they were introduced, and at any rate we have the History article for that. I also spun off the previous names and NeXT origins into a History section, which links to the History article. -- Steven Fisher 16:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
It definitely looks better! Good job, Steven. -/- Warren 17:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
One thing I'm not clear on is if Developer Tools and Project Builder should be bold. I'm sure it's somewhere in the mass of wikipedia policies, but I'm not sure where. Do you know? -- Steven Fisher 18:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Project Builder redirects to Xcode, so that makes sense. Developer Tools doesn't, so that shouldn't be bold. – Mipadi 18:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Builder (OPENSTEP)

Shouldn't we have a screenshot for the OPENSTEP version of Project Builder? Mail (application), Dictionary (software), Chess (application), and Terminal (application) all have a screenshot of the OPENSTEP version in the article. Wikifan42 15:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I dunno. This is primarily an article on Xcode, after all. I'm not sure Project Builder should even be redirecting here. --Steven Fisher 20:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I presume that Xcode and Project Builder have the same codebase, as Xcode has a similar interface and the NIBs don't open in Interface Builder 2.5 (meaning that they use the old format from NEXTSTEP) (however, OPENSTEP NIBs do open in IB 2.5). Anyway, I think Project Builder should either have its own article or at least a section in Xcode. Wikifan42 14:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
IMO no, projectbuilder should not be redirected here. Apple totally rewrote NeXT's PB for OSX to support Carbon.(it was unofficially called PBX). Apple took alot of flak for it, as NeXT's version worked very differently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xcode Tools

Should we have a separate article for Xcode Tools? For me Xcode refers to the application, whereas Xcode Tools refers to the entire installation. This would also solve the problem of it "including" gcc.—[semicolons]— 13:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's clear in Apple documentation. Engelec (talk) 18:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
But surely not notable enough for a standalone article? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Not at all clear. For instance, the release note call it simply Xcode, as does the download page. Even the readme is inconsistent about calling it Xcode 3.0 developer tools, Xcode developer tools 3.0 and simply Xcode or Xcode 3.0. ("This Xcode distribution", for example.) I also have a hard time believing that two useful articles could be generated. --Steven Fisher (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)