Talk:Xavier College
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- Moved from Xavier College (Melbourne) to Xavier College. An unnecessary addition to the title when the disambig link is included. Harro5 (talk · contribs) 09:18, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Unencyclopediacness
Read "Faith in service"
"where we encourage our students to involve themselves in practical Christianity"
Is this style really appropriate the for type of format Wikipedia is after?
[edit] By the Numbers
It would be appreciated if someone could fill in the missing info in the infobox, I had a cursory check but can't find it. Comradeash 16:20, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Alumni - to list or not to list
During the VfD debate regarding this article there was a distinct effort placed in listing notable alumni who were not celebrities as a result of playing AFL, simply because there are so many.
It now seems unlikely that this will be able to be consistently maintained given the goals of this project. I don't see any real value in arguing against it, but I do see value in maintaining an alumni list in such a way that a large number of related entities don't conceal other items.
So I'm splitting the list. into sub-categories. --BenM 17:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bias, anyone?
How about citations? 'The almost always the largest crowd at the Head of the River'? Not likely. Fairly self-flattering. How about some realism and rational information. Typical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.194.13.105 (talk • contribs)
Could someone explain the significance of quotations from Mr Men books by the rowers to inspire their teammates. It must have interesting origins, if it is not true then it has done very well to survive. It was added under the name Suicup on the 28th of April 2006. Barrison 06:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- If you read it a little more carefully it says that the cheer squad recites the Mr Men books, not the rowers themselves. Take Mr Happy for example. Normally the cheer leader will read a couple of lines from the book, perhaps ad libbing a bit to make it relevant to the sporting event in question. Then at the end, they will say "Mr Happy is a Xaverian!" to loud cheering. While obviously it is impossible to cite a source for this claim, I can assure you i didn't make it up. Suicup 06:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't have any specific origins.... The idea is to take an otherwise friendly and child-like text and turn it into an inspirational speech for comedic purposes. It isn't something that is terribly important - and is rarely mentioned within the Xavier community. While the 'tradition' has lasted a few years now it would not surprise me if it evaporated. Reading from the bible on the other hand is a way of claiming some sort of superiority over the other schools - we believe in god and you don't. Many cheer squads taunt the St Kevins (the other catholic APS school) as being "fake" catholics because they do not carry bibles to their sporting events. Just like the Mr. Men books, the bible "verses" usually end in something like "and jesus was a Xavierian!" To great cheers from the xavier crowd. The head of the river was mentioned by an Age reporter as "the last bastion of anglophilia left in Australian culture" evidently that writer had never been to an APS school.--138.217.41.85 12:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks didn't express myself well, fair enough Barrison 02:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
It's understandable, 'Mr. Men' books are the only texts that Xaverians are able to read and comprehend. 203.214.105.94 10:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Controversy
The recent controversy with drug dealings and bullying has lead to a fair bit of Vandalism. I think it would reduce Vandalism and make the article more accurate if a section was added about these recent events Enigmatarius 12:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Reply In an article listing only positive points of xavier's almost 130 year history listing such an insignificant point does not seem appropriate.
[edit] Re: Controversy
I concur; I know these private schools try to sweep this sort of stuff under the rug but it's only fair considering the vicious video footage circulating the airwaves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.86.159 (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
"Vicious" footage? Having personally known all the kids appearing in each video and being a close friend of the individual expelled I can say for sure it's not worth mentioning. Are we seriously going to put a mention on every school's wiki article every time a few friends decide to have a punch on or muck around with a bin?
If we reference the controversy on the xavier page then St. Kevins needs a mention about their video and Scotch needs a mention about the individual they expelled. Not to mention the scotch "gay porn" saga. It borders on ludicrous, in my opinion. Let's keep fact, and relevant fact at that on this site rather than sensationalised insignificant media bullshit. 59.167.71.220 07:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Why shouldn't we make reference to criticisms of the college? The section is not an attempt to attack the students involved but to criticise the inaction and "cover ups" that is referred to above. The fact is, Wikipedia is designed to provide a fair, balanced and accurate description of its topics. Omitting negative details of Xavier is failing to maintain a neutral point of view by leaving out important facts. "Sensationalised insignificant media bullshit" it may be considered by some people to be but we must highlight the fact that there is a dark underbelly to this college. I encourage you to place references on the other college's pages. Thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Xavier_College_%28Melbourne%29&action=edit§ion=6 Editing Talk:Xavier College (Melbourne) (section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia doesn't board on ludicrous it is relevant and accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordkyran (talk • contribs) 11:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
No. Where you make your mistake is when you refer to the "dark underbelly" of the college as "fact". It's not fact. Every school has kids who use drugs. You need to make a decision under WP:NOT#INFO as to whether or not the information is of encyclopaedic nature, and under point 5 which clearly states "Routine news coverage and matters lacking encyclopedic substance, such as announcements, sports, gossip, and tabloid journalism, are not sufficient basis for an article.". All of these articles bar two short ones in The Age were published in The Herald Sun, a notable TABLOID paper, with a view to misrepresent information and sensationalise in order to sell papers.
And there was no cover up either; the vice principal has gone on the record to say that information was given to everyone at the school about it straight after it happened with school-wide year level assemblies. Michael Carr-Greg was a dissatisfied past parent who went on the record against the College because his son was bullied there a few years ago. I hardly count his opinion as being from a reliable, neutral source.
I will not place any references on the pages of other Colleges, nor will I keep the misinformation on Xavier College. 59.167.136.86 05:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reputation
The reputation section seems to be pure advertising and adds little to this article. I can't see anything in there that either isn't already covered or could be incorporated into other areas of this article. Any objections to deleting this section? Loopla 16:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- It contains similar information to articles about other APS schools, one of which used to be FA (Caulfield Grammar). Perhaps the heading is inappropriate but the content certainly isn't. I would support toning down the pro-Xavier vibe, but definitely not removing the entire section. Suicup 01:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Xaviercollegelogo.jpg
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[edit] Cleanup
I believe the article has had a sufficient cleanup. But it stills needs more citations. So, I have changed the template message from cleanup to needs additional citations. --Mvjs (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
