Talk:Xaverian High School

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Assessment: Hello all, and thank you for contributing to this school article. I'm part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment team, and I'm reviewing this page. I'm currently giving it a grade of Start on the Wikipedia 1.0 Assessment Scale and an importance of Low on this importance scale. For information on improving this article, please visit the WikiProject Schools Project Page. My reasoning is as follows: Not much here though plenty of references. Needs significant expansion with more relevant material. Adam McCormick 00:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frosh Fri.

Updated Frosh Friday section to make it known that theres nothing bad about it.

[edit] Barkaloo

I've removed the unreferenced mention of the "barkaloo". If you have a refernece that explains what it is and substantiates its existence, please feel free to add it again. Meanwhile, the photo could use a caption. -- Mikeblas 12:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor copy vio

At least these paragraphs were taken directly from the schools site. A brief review did not return any others.

"Founded in 1957, Xaverian High School is part of an international network of schools sponsored by the Xaverian Brothers and is one of New York City's leading college-preparatory schools for young men.

Xaverian's rigorous curriculum, which includes one of New York City's few International Baccalaureate programs, attracts nearly 1,400 students annually. In addition to its reputation for academic excellence, Xaverian is renowned for graduating young men of strong moral character and Christian values." --Bad carpet 02:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Updated information about Frosh Friday to make it known that there is nothing bad about it.

[edit] Revert of entire page to pre-copyvio revision

I have reverted this article to the last revision made by 63.111.213.196 (14:24 11 January 2006). This is because the very next revision inserted substantial amounts of information taken directly from various pages on the Xaverian High School website itself. This undoubtedly constitutes some sort of copyright violation. In addition, it would be far better for this article to have been written completely from scratch (as the reverted version seems to have been), rather than copied from an external site—even if permission had been granted, which I sorely doubt and which had not been noted. —Larry V (talk) 06:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

As a student of Xaverian High School, I asked whether or not they wanted me to replace the deleted content. They specifically stated to use the link to the official website and not to place the copyrighted content on wikipedia. Thank you. KingK327 06:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parochial vs. Private

Xaverian is a private school not to be confused with a Independent prep school like Poly Prep. For xaverian to be a parochial school the diocese of Brooklyn would supply the school with a budget. The school is not attatched to any parish to recieve a budget and the President of the School would not have his job if the diocese was giving the school money. A good example of a parochial school is Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School who work with the Diocese of Brooklyn.

[edit] Copyvio

As we have been informed by the school that a large amount of copyrighted material has again been inserted, I have removed most of the content of the page which was verbatim copied or copied and a bit modified. --Mbimmler 09:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio?

Instead of just deleting the entire page, please indicate which areas are accused of copyright violation and edit them. Most of the material has been edited to avoid direct copying and other information is cited. I put back most of the info with proper citations and editing. Additionally, I think it's stange how four of the alumni citations were removed for no reason- they had proper links to other wikipedia pages where more info on the alumni could be foun- while others were kept. I hope I'm writing all this in the correct place.

To whoever removed the information cited from Xaverian's website, fine. However, you don't have authority to removed cited information from third party sources- The Tablet and graduates cited from other wikipedia sites. Wikipedia is a free encycolpedia- not an extension of Xaverian's website. The content is being replaced. nycstudent578 17:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I just looked at the edit history for Xaverian High School and I admit it is one of the stranger revision trails I've seen. Couple that with the misspellings and weird word choice in the message above, it's even stranger. My guess is that Xaverianhs is someone from the school (given the username and email address) that has a very liberal sense of copyright violation and a strong sense of information control. The original contributor(s) may have used the school's website and other Xaverian related sites as a starting point, and carefully summarized and reworded everything to not violate copyright (and they appear to have at least provided the sites as references to cover themselves), but Xaverianhs objects to even this.

I just looked at the edit history for Xaverian High School and I admit it is one of the stranger revision trails I've seen. Couple that with the misspellings and weird word choice in the message above, it's even stranger. My guess is that Xaverianhs is someone from the school (given the username and email address) that has a very liberal sense of copyright violation and a strong sense of information control. The original contributor(s) may have used the school's website and other Xaverian related sites as a starting point, and carefully summarized and reworded everything to not violate copyright (and they appear to have at least provided the sites as references to cover themselves), but Xaverianhs objects to even this.

Xaverianhs may be someone in the technology department there who is very sensitive about content being lifted from their site out of its control. Since most of the copy is unsourced they are technically correct (about it being removed), and per WP policy it should either be sourced sufficiently or removed. Also, sources other than the school's website should be used. This may be a challenge, however, since I had trouble finding any useful information any place else on the Internet. It's almost as if XHS has thoroughly scrubbed the Internet of unofficial data about itself (which it very well may have done). Note the statement on its website ("XAVERIAN.ORG is the ONLY OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED SITE OF XAVERIAN HIGH SCHOOL. Any .COM site bearing the Xaverian name is NOT ours and does NOT reflect Xaverian High School's policies, standards or interests.") and how assiduously it has removed and replaced alumni names from the article (I count well over a dozen partial or complete reverts by Xaverianhs in the past couple weeks!). It appears they are very serious about maintaining tight control of school info. I'm unsure what Xaverianhs thinks is confidential material, too, since all the information appears to come from publicly accessible places.

I found a clear WP:COPYVIO in the contested copy, but curiously it's not from XHS's site— "Founded in 1957, Xaverian High School is part of an international network of schools sponsored by the Xaverian Brothers and is one of New York City's leading college-preparatory schools for young men. Rooted in the missionary charism of St. Francis Xavier and consistent with the principles and commitment of the founder of the Xaverian Brothers in America, Theodore Ryken, . . ." is verbatim from Private School Review, which is about the only non-XHS website that has information about the school.

Unfortunately, the situation is aggravated by Xaverianhs' difficulty in communicating clearly and resulting strange messages and edit summaries (possibly due to lack of familiarity with WP tools and methods?). My suggestion is rewrite the article with only basic information obtained from the school website, and ensure that 95% of the rest is from non-XHS sources. Source and cite everything so Xaverianhs cannot remove it and the edit war can stop. Good luck.
—  Jim Dunning  talk  :  05:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)