Talk:Xasthur
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[edit] Images
I added an image of Malefic as well as the band logo, I don't know why they weren't there, hope it's alright. I also created a page for Subliminal Genocide, I'll get around to doing the rest of the albums this week. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Picknslap (talk • contribs) .
- Thank you for your work. However, images "for non-commercial use only" are not allowed on Wikipedia anymore. It might work as a fair use image, though, since the subject is intentionally obscure. Prolog 07:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Intentionally obscure? Do you even know what you're talking about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.201.199 (talk • contribs)
This "prolog" guy doesn't have a clue as to what's going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeXasthur (talk • contribs)
- I've added "Fair use rationale" to the Xasthur logo and the Malific image. – Branko 20:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Etymology
On the previous version of the article, it said: "In several interviews Malefic clearly states that it is a composite of Xastur, a demoness that kills people in their sleep, from the Necronomicon paperback and Xenaoth, a higher celestial spirit from the Santeria religion. An original idea for the name was Xasthuriath, but was then shortened to Xasthur on the release of the now destroyed rehearsal tape in 1997." However, the only reference was to Xasthur on Encyclopaedia Metallum, which says nothing about the etymology of "Xasthur." I have been able to find only one article in which Malefic explains the origin of the band's name, but it makes no mention of "Xasthuriath." – Branko 20:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template Box
I added a template box to the article as well as the album pages. The name "Malefic" is slightly off center in the box though so if someone knows how to fix it that would be nice of you.– YamaLlama 46:7, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Genre
Xasthur are not a dark ambient group, and if you want to stick that in the genre box can you please provide a reliable source. They are also not black ambient, and as that article has been deleted it would also be pointless to add that. Again, I'd need an extremely good source. Xasthur are quite simply, a black metal band. They may well be small-a 'ambient' but are categorically not either Dark Ambient or Black Ambient. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 10:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- They're still ambient. I'll find a source if you want. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Y'know so far I can't find any credible site that uses "dark ambient" or "black ambient" to describe Xasthur's music. However, there are many sites stating about his use of ambient music and he (Malefic) has stated many times that he uses ambient in his music and was attracted and inlfuenced by it because of its "atmospheric, dark, gloomy quality." Listen to the music if you want. There's some serious dark ambient stuff in it. If you just wan to put "Ambient music" in the genre box, that'd be fine, too, I guess. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- I was listening to Xasthur only earlier today, and may well listen to some Dark Ambient in a bit for a bit of a change. The 'black ambient' section within the Dark Ambient artcile is liable for deletion for exactly the same reasons the Black Ambient article itself was... there are no references and notability is not established; it constitutes original research. Find me a reliable source for the ambient genre tag and we'll leave it in; commercially-published print sources are always a good bet... I'll have a bit of a trawl myself. However, i don't hold out much hope... being influenced by a genre doesn't justify its inclusion in a genre-box. If it did, Metallica would be punk. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Y'know so far I can't find any credible site that uses "dark ambient" or "black ambient" to describe Xasthur's music. However, there are many sites stating about his use of ambient music and he (Malefic) has stated many times that he uses ambient in his music and was attracted and inlfuenced by it because of its "atmospheric, dark, gloomy quality." Listen to the music if you want. There's some serious dark ambient stuff in it. If you just wan to put "Ambient music" in the genre box, that'd be fine, too, I guess. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I realize that, but Xasthur uses a ton of ambience in their music. So do most USBM bands for that matter. I'll look for a good citation within the next couple days or sooner. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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- I couldn't help but notice that all the other Xasthur articles in the different languages all say that Xasthur is ambient and black metal. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- So? Wikipedia isn't a source for anything. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I know, I know. Gimme a little more credit than that. I'm just thinking that there must be something to it when they all say that. If I had more time I would look for a reference, but as it is I'm hard pressed to even work on the upkeep of most articles that I work on. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Not to worry mate. Look, I'll have a bit of a look round tomorrow, see if I can find something a bit more substantial. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, ok thanks, man. Good luck with that. If you ever need any help with anything, too, be sure to ask. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Not to worry mate. Look, I'll have a bit of a look round tomorrow, see if I can find something a bit more substantial. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I know, I know. Gimme a little more credit than that. I'm just thinking that there must be something to it when they all say that. If I had more time I would look for a reference, but as it is I'm hard pressed to even work on the upkeep of most articles that I work on. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- So? Wikipedia isn't a source for anything. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I couldn't help but notice that all the other Xasthur articles in the different languages all say that Xasthur is ambient and black metal. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
