Talk:Wynonna Judd

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 01:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Wynonna Judd → Wynonna — I would like to move this page back to Wynonna per naming conventions, as she is almost always referred to by her singular name. (This would be comparable to, say, Sylvia (singer) instead of Sylvia Kirby, or Marcel (singer) instead of Marcel Chagnon.) However, I can't move over the redirect since the redirect has a page history. Does anyone else think this page should be moved back to Wynonna? —Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 17:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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• Weak oppose. See below. --Quuxplusone (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose Wynonna Judd, 1/2 of The Judds. 70.55.85.225 (talk) 05:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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Any additional comments:

• Proof that Wynonna is her most common name, and not Wynonna Judd:

• Billboard chart listing for "She Is His Only Need"
• The covers to all of her studio albums. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 17:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

These are not proof of common name -- only that she uses "Wynonna" to market her recordings. Her official web site displays the page title as "Wynonna Judd - Official Site". On her autobiography, Coming Home to Myself, she is credited as "Wynonna Judd". And a brief comparison of ghits for "Wynonna Judd" -wikipedia (622,000) vs. Wynonna -wikipedia (1,380,000) shows that while the latter has a bit more than double the number of hits, that number includes all the pages of the former -- I suspect you'd be hard-pressed to find very many pages from reputable sources that refer to her, the person, solely as "Wynonna". And while citing all the album covers from billboard.com, the billboard.com biography is title Wynonna Judd. I've never heard of either Sylvia or Marcel that you mentioned, and they don't appear to be particularly well-known in general. A more apt comparison might be Madonna (entertainer), who is known almost exclusively as simply "Madonna". Even on the children's books she has authored, she is credited as simply "Madonna". Even the relatively stodgy NYT refers to her as simply "Madonna" [1] but not so with Wynonna [2] (at least not consistently). older ≠ wiser 19:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Even if the news sources refer to her interchangably as Wynonna or Wynonna Judd, I would think that the presence of just "Wynonna" on her albums and on the charts would be pretty concrete proof that she refers to herself by first name alone. Regardless of the fact that her website's title bar says "Wynonna Judd official website", everything else on the site refers to her as just Wynonna -- most other artists have their first name more than once on their own websites, I'm pretty sure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• I don't think anyone could say that "Wynonna" is not the marketing name for her recordings. That's not the same as demonstrating that she is commonly known as simply "Wynonna". Aside from the title of the site, there are in fact other references to her full name on the site. For a telling example, on the Fast Facts page, in response to the question What is your full name?, the answer is Wynonna Ellen Judd Roach. And the Q & A page reproduces a report from the AP, "Five Questions With Wynonna Judd". Before we can conclude she is most commonly known as simply "Wynonna", I think we'd need to have evidence of widespread usage from third party sources. older ≠ wiser 21:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not a country fan, but I've always heard her referred to as "Wynonna Judd". So has Google. :) You're right that her albums use just "Wynonna", but news outlets seem pretty consistently to use "Wynonna Judd" (possibly because it reminds people that she's one of the Judds). Her own Web site uses just "Wynnona" on the splash banner, but the title tag reads "Wynonna Judd - Official Site".   The situation is not the same as with "Madonna" — does anyone even know Madonna's last name off the top of their head? I might compare "Wynonna" to "Britney" — you know which singer I mean when I use just her first name, but that doesn't mean that these last names should be removed from Wikipedia articles. --Quuxplusone (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.