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View comments (edit) lots of writeup, needs editing/formatting, map etc, check for POV --Skookum1 (14 May 06) Also needs more citations --Miskwito 00:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Clans or tribes? 2 Wyandots in 18th century Ohio country 3 Meaning of Hure 4 Origins of the word 'Huron' 5 Tobacco 6 Toujours les Hurons

[edit] Clans or tribes?

"The Petun nation, the tribes who lived around Georgian Bay in southern-central Ontario, were further divided into Bear, Cord, Deer, and Rock tribes." - it seems to me based on what I know of the Iroquois proper that these would have been *clans*, not tribes, but I am certainly no expert... Anyone got a reference? Brianski 21:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The history of these people is complex and hard to summarize in a short encyclopedia article. There is a very good analysis of the interrelationships of the languages and tribes in the article by John Steckley, which I added as a source. Briefly, these people were beaten by the Anishinabek to the North, the Iroquois (Hadenosaunee) to the south and east, the French and then the English. The English and Iroquois pretty well finished them off. Many were assimilated by the Iroquois, others were displaced to the east (Quebec) and south (Kansas and Oklahoma).

Note that Steckley says that it is unclear as to whether the Bear, Rock, Cord and Deer were clans, moitees or tribes. He uses "tribes," so I went with that. Sunray 07:45, 2003 Dec 8 (UTC)

Oh, heh, yeah I read that article just a few minutes ago, before I saw your response. Since it talks about a Huron "Bear tribe" I must be wrong. Nevermind me :)! Brianski 21:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wyandots in 18th century Ohio country

Discussion relating to Colonel William Crawford and the Crawford expedition moved to Talk:William Crawford (soldier)

[edit] Meaning of Hure

"the name referred to a hure, the rough-haired head of wild boars". Hure also means the nose of the boars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.36.55 (talk • contribs) , 21 February 2006

[edit] Origins of the word 'Huron'

The article states that it was Gabrielle Lalemant who proposed that the word originated in the French 'hure'. I think you will find that in the Relation of 1639, it is Jérôme Lalemant who writes of a French soldier seeing the hair fashion of a Wendat: ‘[T]his fashion of wearing the hair making their heads look to him like those of boars [hures], led him to call these barbarians “Hurons;” and this is the name that has clung to them ever since.’ (Reuben Gold Thwaites, 'The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents.' Vol. 16, pp 229 - 231.

You are probably right. This online source speaks of three different Lalemant working for the Jesuit order.

http://www.wyandot.org/lalemant.htm

The three could have easily been mixed up. I originally wrote "Father Lalemant". Someone must have added the first name later on. We would have to look at the article's revision history. For sure however, it is Gabriel and not Gabrielle. The first is masculin, the second feminin. :-) -- Mathieugp

[edit] Tobacco

Re: removal of growing tobacco text -- I think tobacco was grown that far north, but I can't remember the source of info offhand. Tobacco was grown in England in the 1600s, brought from the New World, until the practice was outlawed for the benefit of Virginia. If I remember, I'll look for a source when I have better acccess. Pfly 03:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Toujours les Hurons

There is high probability that the Frenchman's reference to the boar-like appearance of these Indians was directly related to their hair. The first Indians observed by the Missionaries and settlers were often scouts that commonly were engaged in hand-to-hand skirmishes. As a matter of protection, long hair was a liability. The cropped stripe down the middle was proof of virility without the easy grab. Dixonsnt 22:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)