User talk:Wulf Isebrand

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[edit] Redundant cats

Hi. Great job in subcategorizing. But when you add subcats please remove the parent cat. For example, having Category:German-American sportspeople in an article makes Category:German Americans redundant. So please removed the latter when you insert the former. More information can be found here. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with categorization

Hello -- I see that you've done a lot of good work with the ethnic and/or national categorization of people. You've done an excellent job so far, and those of us who work with all of the ethnic or national categories appreciate your work; however, I'd like to point out an error that you and another few editors have repeatedly made in regards to Category:American people by ethnic or national origin. You and these other editors seem to be removing that category from the MAIN categories dealing with, for example, Category:Chinese Americans or Category:German-Americans, and placing the category in the much smaller and less developed SUBCATEGORIES which only contain American people of PARTIAL descent, for example Category:Americans of Chinese descent or Category:Americans of German descent. It's pretty clear that Category:American people by ethnic or national origin should be placed in the MAIN CATEGORY of a given ethnic or nationality category (e.g., in Category:Chinese Americans) and not in the SUBCATEGORY (e.g., Category:Americans of Chinese descent). I'm going to start fixing some of these and hope that you will do the same. Thanks. --Wassermann (talk) 03:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Your switch regarding the German-Americans to German Immigrants to the United States is not appropriate in all cases... seems you are abolishing the German-American category? --Teda13 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
(not all planes are jets, but all jets are planes) Being born in the U.S. doesn't exclude someone from their heritage. There are vast Italian-American, Jewish-American, German-American, Greek-American, Irish-American, communities in the U.S. who are second and third generation.. who were born in the U.S. Add the immigrant category if you wish, but moving these persons out of the original category doesn't make them more searchable in Wikipedia. --Teda13 (talk) 16:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] cats

Ideas: German immigrants to the US are subdivided into two groups: those who become US citizens and those who do not. However, probably all their descedants are US citizens. Their descendants may be of complete German ancestry or partial German ancestry depending on who has kids with whom. How does one make categories out of all this. Is all this important? Hmains (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's relevant for immigrants to be listed in a subcategory, they grew up in another country, another society, another culture, often spoke a language other than English etc. On the other hand, I don't think it is (in most cases) of any importance to list people because they have for example a great-great-grand-father, who immigrated from Germany or Ireland or Poland etc. I'm unsure about Americans of the second, third, fourth...generation of complete or partial descent. Maybe they identify somehow with it (Charles Bukowski for example identified with his German background), maybe not, usually we don't know, we can list people only by their descent. But I think is of interest for the social groups of German-Americans, Irish-Americans etc. which persons were or are part of it. --Wulf Isebrand (talk) 11:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Since we are discussing the catagories for the United States. I'm fairly certain that someone - be they an immigrant or not - who lives in the U.S., and has lived for a long time with first-hand understanding of American culture, should be making the call on the catagories. Not to dismiss the value that someone who lives as a native of and citizen of Ireland, or Italy, or Germany could bring to the discussion ... simply traveling to the U.S. on a trip or for a holiday or to live on a college campus for a while, wouldn't seem to to give enough exposure to understand fully the many issues that should be weighed--Teda13 (talk) 17:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Booians of Fooian descent instead of Fooian(-)Booians

Hello, Wulf Isebrand. I'd like to get your support for a series of renamings I am attempting to see all Category:People by ethnic or national origin changed over to Booians of Fooian descent, a change, based on your vote with the discussion on the subcats for Category:German people by ethnic or national origin, it'd seem you'd favour. The discussion now is here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 May 21 for Brazilians. Best regards, Mayumashu (talk) 15:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I replied on my page, to keep the talk together and thereby easier to follow. And thanks for the vote support at for Category:Brazilian people by ethnic or national origin Mayumashu (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)